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Replying To Viking66:  "Who pays for their travelling to Ferns for this gym and fitness work? Especially if it's work they have to do to remain on the panel? In any case the GAA shouldn't have made the agreement in the 1st place if they weren't going to honour it. And another important thing that seems to be getting lost in this debate is the effect all this nonsense is having on our top young sportspeople countrywide when they choose which sport they intend to pursue as adults. If I was a top schoolboy rugby player and hurler who didn't know which to concentrate on as an adult the complete disregard the GAA are having for some of their own members, ie the intercounty players, might sway me towards rugby."
Seems you missed the bit where I said they could do that extra gym and fitness work at a time to place to suit them, away from collective training in Ferns or anywhere else.

Lads who don't live close to Ferns would have the choice of any number of gyms closer to them, where they could do cardio and weights work. Their own club might even have a gym of its own. Paying for memberships at a convenient gym of their choice would probably be cheaper in the long run for Croke Park or the County Board than paying mileage rates to Ferns for every gym session.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3002 - 20/04/2022 12:55:10    2411790

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Replying To tearintom:  "GAA rules have a generally always been that both teams change. Nothing official but always the way."
As a matter of fact, it couldn't be any more official, because it's in the rule book:

County teams shall wear their registered distinctive colours in Inter-County competitions. Where there is similarity of colours, the two counties shall wear their registered alternative colour(s) or other colours authorised or directed by the Committee in Charge.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3002 - 20/04/2022 13:02:49    2411795

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The u20s are really being done over by that stupid rule costing them their star forward.
I fully get why the GAA don't want players playing more than 1 match per weekend in the spring, but lets be real here a match on Saturday and another on Tuesday for a 20 year old isn't excessive, and in most cases a player would be training anyway. Pointless.
Being without 6 of their top players is a big ask. They fought hard for that win last night for sure, but you never want your best performance to be a quarter final.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1917 - 20/04/2022 13:03:01    2411796

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Replying To tearintom:  "Fanning, best shot stopper in the country???

Yeah not sure about that, average enough keeper for me to be honest who pretty much keeps making mistakes and wrong decisions.

Even last saturday blazing a penalty over the bar, trying to pick a ball off the ground and allowing it to dribble out for a 65 rather than put the hurl to it, puck outs slow and not great. At one stage in the second half when the game was in the melting pot he came out and you could actually hear the murmuring on the open seated stand "just dont drive it wide, just dont drive it wide, dont drive it dead" and bang, drive it wide whilst we had the numbers in around the area to cause issues. Something he constantly does, drive it wide from distance.

Cant honestly remember the last time he made a save where you went, wow what a save. Most other top counties have a better keeper and hes about level with the remaining counties."
You missed the semifinal against Waterford so?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16751 - 20/04/2022 13:05:53    2411800

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Replying To Viking66:  "You missed the semifinal against Waterford so?"
That was the game where he conceded 5 goals?

Purpleandgold72 (Wexford) - Posts: 276 - 20/04/2022 13:30:19    2411809

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Replying To Viking66:  "You missed the semifinal against Waterford so?"
He's a very good shot stopper to be fair.

And indeed a great servant.

Just feel there's always a costly mistake in him

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3866 - 20/04/2022 13:38:25    2411812

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Replying To Viking66:  "You missed the semifinal against Waterford so?"
Oh no i remember the waterford game where we conceded how many goals again? When he tried a stupid short puckout went straight to waterford player and we got away with it only for him to do the same thing again literally 2 mins later puck it straight to a Gleeson and gets beaten at the near post!!!

I mean hes literally made about 2/3 decent saves to be fair bit ones id expect any inter county keeper to make and balanced out by not getting even close to any of the 5 and being directly responsible for multiple issues due to poor puckouts.

Id not be bringing up the waterford game as some sort of proof in all honesty and like i said one of the best shotstopper and keepers in the country, sorry no not for me.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1541 - 20/04/2022 13:42:34    2411821

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Seems you missed the bit where I said they could do that extra gym and fitness work at a time to place to suit them, away from collective training in Ferns or anywhere else.

Lads who don't live close to Ferns would have the choice of any number of gyms closer to them, where they could do cardio and weights work. Their own club might even have a gym of its own. Paying for memberships at a convenient gym of their choice would probably be cheaper in the long run for Croke Park or the County Board than paying mileage rates to Ferns for every gym session."
I actually don't know of any GAA club that doesn't have a gym of some description nowadays. Or certainly access to one at a discount price. It's absolutely mental the demands being forced on lads to do collective training sessions. Military recruits wouldn't be flogged as much. Is Strava not a thing anymore no?

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1502 - 20/04/2022 14:19:14    2411834

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Replying To Afinestick:  "What sort of team have Dublin this year at under 20 level lads? Hopefully we can get Richie Lawlor back for the next game Monday week."
Dublin are usually strong enough at minor and u20. Hopefully we have a couple of the injured lads back.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16751 - 20/04/2022 14:50:51    2411849

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Seems you missed the bit where I said they could do that extra gym and fitness work at a time to place to suit them, away from collective training in Ferns or anywhere else.

Lads who don't live close to Ferns would have the choice of any number of gyms closer to them, where they could do cardio and weights work. Their own club might even have a gym of its own. Paying for memberships at a convenient gym of their choice would probably be cheaper in the long run for Croke Park or the County Board than paying mileage rates to Ferns for every gym session."
The only thing would be all the management teams all over the country would have to agree to just 4 training sessions/matches/ team talks per week. And stick to it . How likely is that to happen? At the end of the day it's the management teams appointed by the County Boards that determine training regimes etc. Not the players. So the players shouldn't be penalised. In any case if the GAA wanted to change the agreement they had with the players they should have sat down with them and made a new agreement instead of just coming out and saying 4 days only.
On the subject of County Board members, and other non paid non playing members of the GAA who have to attend meetings because they are on some committee, or several, do the lads concerned get expenses also?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16751 - 20/04/2022 14:58:49    2411852

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Replying To Purpleandgold72:  "That was the game where he conceded 5 goals?"
He made some great saves too could've been alot more than 5. His puckouts have improved massively also.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16751 - 20/04/2022 15:00:09    2411854

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "He's a very good shot stopper to be fair.

And indeed a great servant.

Just feel there's always a costly mistake in him"
Yes for sure Doyler

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16751 - 20/04/2022 15:00:29    2411855

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Replying To tearintom:  "Oh no i remember the waterford game where we conceded how many goals again? When he tried a stupid short puckout went straight to waterford player and we got away with it only for him to do the same thing again literally 2 mins later puck it straight to a Gleeson and gets beaten at the near post!!!

I mean hes literally made about 2/3 decent saves to be fair bit ones id expect any inter county keeper to make and balanced out by not getting even close to any of the 5 and being directly responsible for multiple issues due to poor puckouts.

Id not be bringing up the waterford game as some sort of proof in all honesty and like i said one of the best shotstopper and keepers in the country, sorry no not for me."
You mean the puckouts where the lads waited like statues for the ball to arrive while a Waterford player came in and took it in front of them?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16751 - 20/04/2022 15:01:36    2411857

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Replying To beano:  "I actually don't know of any GAA club that doesn't have a gym of some description nowadays. Or certainly access to one at a discount price. It's absolutely mental the demands being forced on lads to do collective training sessions. Military recruits wouldn't be flogged as much. Is Strava not a thing anymore no?"
Alot of clubs, probably most in my experience, don't have gyms like the 1 I go to or anything even resembling it.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16751 - 20/04/2022 15:02:46    2411858

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "The u20s are really being done over by that stupid rule costing them their star forward.
I fully get why the GAA don't want players playing more than 1 match per weekend in the spring, but lets be real here a match on Saturday and another on Tuesday for a 20 year old isn't excessive, and in most cases a player would be training anyway. Pointless.
Being without 6 of their top players is a big ask. They fought hard for that win last night for sure, but you never want your best performance to be a quarter final."
I though the rule only affected one player and a player that should not have been brought on in the first place? why were the others missing. He was brough on in the 66th min which given the extra time was less then 10mins to go. Did he contribute anything - well he gave away the free that ended up being the throw ball. Blaming a rule that everyone is aware about and every team has to live by is just wrong.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2034 - 20/04/2022 15:24:45    2411866

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Replying To beano:  "I actually don't know of any GAA club that doesn't have a gym of some description nowadays. Or certainly access to one at a discount price. It's absolutely mental the demands being forced on lads to do collective training sessions. Military recruits wouldn't be flogged as much. Is Strava not a thing anymore no?"
From my understanding the previous arrangements were for the Covid period which made sense given the disruption that happened to training and work schedules. However I believe what the GAA are now trying to do is get everything back to a normal footing hence the change. Lots of employers made special allowances, hell even the government paid people to do nothing (even more than normal) but it had to end. What is the best way forward - I am sure there is a compromise there someplace. The static number per week for the whole year makes no sense and neither does pay they every time they feel as if they want to go to the gym - lets face it players make money off the milage and therefore the incentive is there is to claim it even if why you do in the gym is adding nothing. In every aspect of life you will have honest individuals and lads who will fleece the system, for me the GPA needs to own up and be honest about it - I have not heard anyone in the GPA saying how they would police the system from abuse if it was pay for everything. I don't want to see players out of pocket but lets ensure the system is also not open to abuse so for me the GPA needs to get off their high horse and start talking about how an equitable system would work.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2034 - 20/04/2022 15:41:58    2411871

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Replying To zinny:  "From my understanding the previous arrangements were for the Covid period which made sense given the disruption that happened to training and work schedules. However I believe what the GAA are now trying to do is get everything back to a normal footing hence the change. Lots of employers made special allowances, hell even the government paid people to do nothing (even more than normal) but it had to end. What is the best way forward - I am sure there is a compromise there someplace. The static number per week for the whole year makes no sense and neither does pay they every time they feel as if they want to go to the gym - lets face it players make money off the milage and therefore the incentive is there is to claim it even if why you do in the gym is adding nothing. In every aspect of life you will have honest individuals and lads who will fleece the system, for me the GPA needs to own up and be honest about it - I have not heard anyone in the GPA saying how they would police the system from abuse if it was pay for everything. I don't want to see players out of pocket but lets ensure the system is also not open to abuse so for me the GPA needs to get off their high horse and start talking about how an equitable system would work."
The previous arrangement was suspended for the covid period and the GPA are now wanting it to be restored being as we are back to pretty much normal. But the GAA are saying no.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16751 - 20/04/2022 15:48:06    2411873

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There are some pretty deluded posts here about goalkeeping.

Fanning is head, shoulders and torso ahead of any other available options.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 20/04/2022 16:00:07    2411881

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Replying To Onfor15:  "There are some pretty deluded posts here about goalkeeping.

Fanning is head, shoulders and torso ahead of any other available options."
You're probably right to be fair, that's not necessarily a good thing though to be honest.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1541 - 20/04/2022 17:12:40    2411897

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Replying To Viking66:  "The only thing would be all the management teams all over the country would have to agree to just 4 training sessions/matches/ team talks per week. And stick to it . How likely is that to happen? At the end of the day it's the management teams appointed by the County Boards that determine training regimes etc. Not the players. So the players shouldn't be penalised. In any case if the GAA wanted to change the agreement they had with the players they should have sat down with them and made a new agreement instead of just coming out and saying 4 days only.
On the subject of County Board members, and other non paid non playing members of the GAA who have to attend meetings because they are on some committee, or several, do the lads concerned get expenses also?"
But that goes my back to my point of the GPA fighting the wrong fight. They could instead be saying to managers that four collective training sessions a week is enough, and the players could be trusted to do gym work/fitness work in their own time on the other days, at places to suit them. As beano points out, just about every player has access through their club to a gym that's close to home.

Instead the GPA talk about player welfare out of one side of their mouth, but use the other side to ask for expenses for a fifth or sixth training session in a week, instead of saying "four is enough".

On your other point, County Board members get little or no expenses for attending meetings, and certainly don't get them for attending regular meetings in Wexford, which would be the rough equivalent of players attending training sessions somewhere in Wexford. And many if not all Co. Board management committee people choose not to claim expenses for meetings or other events further afield, that they'd actually be entitled to ask for.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3002 - 20/04/2022 17:30:46    2411901

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