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Replying To Oldtourman: "Clooney, Back in'81 Sean Foley got six months got six months off all hurling activity for a strike which inflicted a facial wound on PJ Molloy. It looked serious at the time, but PJ thankfully was able to hurl the following Sunday in the replay. Do you think that present punishments are far too lenient, especially where serious like concussions occur, which may be purposely inflicted? I presume the TF you refer is actually Tony Kelly and I agree that he holds his composure very well. I also think he is the finest hurler in Ireland even surpassing Lynch." Yes I did mean Tony Kelly, I remember that strike in 1981 it looked a desperate wild pull although Foley seemed genuinely amazed to be put off, I take your word for it that Molloy was able to hurl following week I though that he has got something like 20 plus stitches.
Head injuries seems strangely enough, more common now since the new Helmet IMO, I suppose its sometimes hard to know what's a red card for as players are so mobile nowadays ducking in and out and a player can drop the Head and get hit not always intentionally bur its a very dangerous injury and anything that could lead to taking this out of the game should be encouraged, I know many says its mans game ect but it could end your career.
I read there where SOD of Clare got an accidental belt but has spend months recovering could not eat work or listen on his head phones huge price for an amateur player.
Rugby have become obsessed rightly so with head injuries I seen to remember G Hook saying that mothers wouldn't encourage their sons to play it it had become so physical. Now they have introduced several rule changes and for nearly all tackles about head its a RED no issues no questions asked or given.
Anyway roll on the Championship
Waterford look best bet to take Limericks Crown id say but thankfully back to round robin with access to matches once again
clooney (Clare) - Posts: 996 - 30/03/2022 11:34:33
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Replying To Canuck: "I do have my opinions like you and don't do denial. Our players sent off in recent years. Gleeson for pulling a helmet off. Got away with a second. DeBurca wrongly in 2017. C. Gleeson on Joe Canning should have got further games for a cheap hand breaker. Colin Dunford for striking with the stick. Foran wrong call the player was going down after he initiated the shoulder. Gleeson for poking with the hurley Sunday deserved. Lots of red cards coming for that this year so. Wexford won there second oscar on Sunday. The first against that tug DeBurca who was always and still doing it, ripping off helmets and playing dirty. Yere boys doing simulation and throwing hurleys are all angels. Right?" Nobody on this thinks they are angels. Do you not read Wexford threads the last few years.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16580 - 30/03/2022 11:38:42
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I listened to the podcasts from various shows on the way home and back from training last night. Here was the synopsis:
1. Dalo & Co : Thought Wexford held something back, didn't care about the match, were happy enough to lose and put nothing in to the match
2. The Hurling Podcast (Off The Ball) / Eddie Brennan (Off The Ball) / Donal Og Cusack : Thought Wexford were brutal. No mention of holding anything back, just thought we were totally out-hurled.
It is difficult to know where the truth is. I do not know which I would prefer were the case.
Nothing I would hate more than to think we were trying to play the wise guys and hold something in reserve. I have heard this said before about Wexford teams and it really frustrates me. You should try and win every match you hurl in. You get maybe 10 matches a year. Especially as a supporter having gone to KK on Sunday to be humiliated.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1898 - 30/03/2022 11:50:08
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Replying To Oldtourman: "Clooney, Back in'81 Sean Foley got six months got six months off all hurling activity for a strike which inflicted a facial wound on PJ Molloy. It looked serious at the time, but PJ thankfully was able to hurl the following Sunday in the replay. Do you think that present punishments are far too lenient, especially where serious like concussions occur, which may be purposely inflicted? I presume the TF you refer is actually Tony Kelly and I agree that he holds his composure very well. I also think he is the finest hurler in Ireland even surpassing Lynch." Yeah Tony Kelly is definitly the most natural hurler in the country pure class, a joy to watch.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2441 - 30/03/2022 12:01:49
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Replying To Bon: "Yeah Tony Kelly is definitly the most natural hurler in the country pure class, a joy to watch." Worth every cent of any admission money. Pure class for sure.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16580 - 30/03/2022 12:11:48
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Replying To Oldtourman: "Wexico, They dethroned Kilkenny as Leinster and All Ireland Champions in 1970 and were favourites to win the All Ireland. However they were hit with a massive injuries crises- far more severe that of KK in '73- and the failure to play Seanie Kinsella in '76 and '77 probably also cost them. In 1993, Wexford were well on top in the first with KK, with John O'Connor completely outplaying KK dangerman Eamon Morrissey. With about four minutes to go Wexford were four points up and seemed to have the game in control. Then KK switched Morrissey in on Ger Cushe. Cushe was a fine Full Back of that time, but no speed merchant and the match seemed all wrong from a Wexford viewpoint. From the word go I would have sent O'Connor after EM, but one after another he scored four points in a row. There was no attempt by Wexford players or Management to disrupt KKs comeback. I am sure if the boot was on the other foot some KK player would have gone down, after the second point with 'life threatening injuries'. I feel if they had held out that day they would have edged Galway in the final, but there you go." That's a great post OTM.
Just to add to your points.
IMHO, Morrissey equalising point in 93 was the greatest hurling score I have ever seen. The skill, speed of transfer and execution was exceptional.
Going on a tangent here ... Only Seamus Fitzhenry's solo goal to beat the Dubs in 83/84 league was more skillful. There's no video of it as far as I aware, which is a shame. He collected a breaking ball from midfield, soloed past the centre back with his left foot, bounced the ball, soloed with his right foot, swerved past the full back and was 1:1 with John O'Leary who left his line by about 2-3 metres to meet the attacker. Fitzhenry was now forced to his left and saw John O'Leary was off his line. He then left footed the ball over John O'Leary into the top right corner. John O'Leary back pedalled but the shot was a delicate shot of pure precision into the top corner. Any other spot and it could have been saved. Pure skill of the highest order.
As regards your other point about keeping the same marker if they are doing a good job.
Arguably 76 was an All Ireland that got away from Wexford as well.
I was not at this game but this is my understanding of what happened ... Back in 76, Wexford v Cork, Colm Doran was doing a great job on the great Jimmy Barry Murphy holding him scoreless. The Cork management team were discussing whether to take Jimmy Barry off. Christy Ring said no "You can't replace Genius". Ring saw that MIck Jacob senior was having a great game at centre back and dominating that area. So he moved Jimmy Barry onto Mick Jacob and told him to drift all over the forward lines and drag Mick Jacob away from the centre back area. At least Jimmy would be some value by dragging Mick Jacob away from the number 6 area. Jimmy Barry did just that and managed to score 3/4 points and that was the winning margin for Cork.
Maybe Colm Doran should have been left follow him no matter where he went.
That's my understanding and I am open to listening to others accounts also.
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Minors down to play Kilkenny in Bellefield on April 9 at 2pm, u20s playing Carlow or Westmeath in a knockout game the same day, no time or venue for that.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 30/03/2022 12:52:42
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Replying To Punter72007: "That's a great post OTM.
Just to add to your points.
IMHO, Morrissey equalising point in 93 was the greatest hurling score I have ever seen. The skill, speed of transfer and execution was exceptional.
Going on a tangent here ... Only Seamus Fitzhenry's solo goal to beat the Dubs in 83/84 league was more skillful. There's no video of it as far as I aware, which is a shame. He collected a breaking ball from midfield, soloed past the centre back with his left foot, bounced the ball, soloed with his right foot, swerved past the full back and was 1:1 with John O'Leary who left his line by about 2-3 metres to meet the attacker. Fitzhenry was now forced to his left and saw John O'Leary was off his line. He then left footed the ball over John O'Leary into the top right corner. John O'Leary back pedalled but the shot was a delicate shot of pure precision into the top corner. Any other spot and it could have been saved. Pure skill of the highest order.
As regards your other point about keeping the same marker if they are doing a good job.
Arguably 76 was an All Ireland that got away from Wexford as well.
I was not at this game but this is my understanding of what happened ... Back in 76, Wexford v Cork, Colm Doran was doing a great job on the great Jimmy Barry Murphy holding him scoreless. The Cork management team were discussing whether to take Jimmy Barry off. Christy Ring said no "You can't replace Genius". Ring saw that MIck Jacob senior was having a great game at centre back and dominating that area. So he moved Jimmy Barry onto Mick Jacob and told him to drift all over the forward lines and drag Mick Jacob away from the centre back area. At least Jimmy would be some value by dragging Mick Jacob away from the number 6 area. Jimmy Barry did just that and managed to score 3/4 points and that was the winning margin for Cork.
Maybe Colm Doran should have been left follow him no matter where he went.
That's my understanding and I am open to listening to others accounts also." Wexford made a great start in that '76 Final. Got two goals in the first few minutes but Cork reeled them back in to win it.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2538 - 30/03/2022 13:26:52
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Alot of over reacting here after sunday. Great league campaign and bowed out at the perfect stage. I expect a very different wexford against galway.
Waltermitty2 (Wexford) - Posts: 275 - 30/03/2022 13:53:07
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Replying To Punter72007: "That's a great post OTM.
Just to add to your points.
IMHO, Morrissey equalising point in 93 was the greatest hurling score I have ever seen. The skill, speed of transfer and execution was exceptional.
Going on a tangent here ... Only Seamus Fitzhenry's solo goal to beat the Dubs in 83/84 league was more skillful. There's no video of it as far as I aware, which is a shame. He collected a breaking ball from midfield, soloed past the centre back with his left foot, bounced the ball, soloed with his right foot, swerved past the full back and was 1:1 with John O'Leary who left his line by about 2-3 metres to meet the attacker. Fitzhenry was now forced to his left and saw John O'Leary was off his line. He then left footed the ball over John O'Leary into the top right corner. John O'Leary back pedalled but the shot was a delicate shot of pure precision into the top corner. Any other spot and it could have been saved. Pure skill of the highest order.
As regards your other point about keeping the same marker if they are doing a good job.
Arguably 76 was an All Ireland that got away from Wexford as well.
I was not at this game but this is my understanding of what happened ... Back in 76, Wexford v Cork, Colm Doran was doing a great job on the great Jimmy Barry Murphy holding him scoreless. The Cork management team were discussing whether to take Jimmy Barry off. Christy Ring said no "You can't replace Genius". Ring saw that MIck Jacob senior was having a great game at centre back and dominating that area. So he moved Jimmy Barry onto Mick Jacob and told him to drift all over the forward lines and drag Mick Jacob away from the centre back area. At least Jimmy would be some value by dragging Mick Jacob away from the number 6 area. Jimmy Barry did just that and managed to score 3/4 points and that was the winning margin for Cork.
Maybe Colm Doran should have been left follow him no matter where he went.
That's my understanding and I am open to listening to others accounts also." Great post. Almost everyone remembers Tony Doran, but his brother Colm was equally as good; possibly even tougher.
It's very interesting to hear about the great Ring's comment and how Cork deployed JBM. As Cork hurlers go, he was one of my favorites, along with Denis Coughlan, Gerald McCarthy, and of course, The Rock.
However, it's interesting to think that JBM was close to being taken off in 1976. Because for me, the way the modern game is played, JBM would be a man to be put on with 20-25 minutes to go, to finish the game and bury the opposition; not a 70- minute man; not a msn to start a game.
Of course, Coughlan, GerMc, and The Rock would last 70 minutes, possibly even 170 minutes.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2347 - 30/03/2022 14:27:39
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Replying To Waltermitty2: "Alot of over reacting here after sunday. Great league campaign and bowed out at the perfect stage. I expect a very different wexford against galway." Great attitude. I like that.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2347 - 30/03/2022 14:29:04
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Replying To Waltermitty2: "Alot of over reacting here after sunday. Great league campaign and bowed out at the perfect stage. I expect a very different wexford against galway." It was the nature of the defeat that a lot of us on here were unhappy about. Just as storeystash said earlier a wexford team losing without seemingly putting up a fight is unacceptable. That's why I for one admire Kilkenny. No matter what team they field they give 100%. Cody will not tolerate anything less and rightly so
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 30/03/2022 14:52:07
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "It was the nature of the defeat that a lot of us on here were unhappy about. Just as storeystash said earlier a wexford team losing without seemingly putting up a fight is unacceptable. That's why I for one admire Kilkenny. No matter what team they field they give 100%. Cody will not tolerate anything less and rightly so" Above all, when you cross the white line you are responsible for your own performance. I was pulling my hair out when I see Dee O'Keefe stopping and appealing for the line ball while the Waterford player strode ahead with the ball. If one of our club players did that there is 1 vocal man who would be screaming "play the fng whistle". That ultimately ended up in the back of our net.
I'm still scratching my head, did Egan actually think Kevin Foley was a centre back? What was the game plan? We give Waterford full back line the ball from the puck out, yet they can find corner forwards in acres of space. What was the set up? Why didn't somebody feign an injury to let us get our shape for a few minutes? Why weren't some of the 6 backs hauled off sooner?
I could tolerate the Walsh cup loss because it was a pre-season and I was not there, but this was a league semi final. We haven't won since before my dad was born.
Maybe this is why we will always be a 2nd rate county. Kilkenny and Cork went out as though their lives depended on it. If we go out and beat Galway and Dublin great but if we don't then I think Sunday's loss will be amplified in terms of its damage. We had no game plan, no consistent free taker, forwards who didn't even chase their men and a half back line who left the full back line as lambs to the slaughter.
This is not being over dramatic or critical I don't think, I gave credit after every league game and cautioned it was the league. Sunday was championship tempo and we were found out. A lot to ponder over the next 3 weeks and a big reaction needed v Galway.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1898 - 30/03/2022 15:37:02
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My team v Galway
Fanning
S Reck ( Devitt if he's injured)
Ryan
MOH
Flood ( can't understand him not starting the last 3 games)
P Foley
D Reck ( best player on Sunday)
K Foley ( Needs to up it from the league which he's well capable of)
Dee
Jacko
Chin
McGovern
Dwyer
Conor Mac
Rory
( If 1 of Chin and McDonald is out I'd bring in Oisin Foley, if both are out its Oisin and Mcguckin, Dunbar hasn't done enough over the league to warrant a start, disappointing up to now he hasn't built on the performance vs Clare in Thurles last year), we'll need physicality around the HF line as I'm expecting Padraig Mannion, Mcinerney and Fintan Burke to be there for Galway.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 30/03/2022 15:38:11
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Replying To StoreysTash: "Above all, when you cross the white line you are responsible for your own performance. I was pulling my hair out when I see Dee O'Keefe stopping and appealing for the line ball while the Waterford player strode ahead with the ball. If one of our club players did that there is 1 vocal man who would be screaming "play the fng whistle". That ultimately ended up in the back of our net.
I'm still scratching my head, did Egan actually think Kevin Foley was a centre back? What was the game plan? We give Waterford full back line the ball from the puck out, yet they can find corner forwards in acres of space. What was the set up? Why didn't somebody feign an injury to let us get our shape for a few minutes? Why weren't some of the 6 backs hauled off sooner?
I could tolerate the Walsh cup loss because it was a pre-season and I was not there, but this was a league semi final. We haven't won since before my dad was born.
Maybe this is why we will always be a 2nd rate county. Kilkenny and Cork went out as though their lives depended on it. If we go out and beat Galway and Dublin great but if we don't then I think Sunday's loss will be amplified in terms of its damage. We had no game plan, no consistent free taker, forwards who didn't even chase their men and a half back line who left the full back line as lambs to the slaughter.
This is not being over dramatic or critical I don't think, I gave credit after every league game and cautioned it was the league. Sunday was championship tempo and we were found out. A lot to ponder over the next 3 weeks and a big reaction needed v Galway." If we give the championship a good rattle Sunday will be forgotten about fairly quickly, bit like Tyrone losing by 16 points in Killarney in last years league, a poor showing in championship and the narrative is alot different.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 30/03/2022 15:50:46
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Replying To wexico15: "My team v Galway
Fanning
S Reck ( Devitt if he's injured)
Ryan
MOH
Flood ( can't understand him not starting the last 3 games)
P Foley
D Reck ( best player on Sunday)
K Foley ( Needs to up it from the league which he's well capable of)
Dee
Jacko
Chin
McGovern
Dwyer
Conor Mac
Rory
( If 1 of Chin and McDonald is out I'd bring in Oisin Foley, if both are out its Oisin and Mcguckin, Dunbar hasn't done enough over the league to warrant a start, disappointing up to now he hasn't built on the performance vs Clare in Thurles last year), we'll need physicality around the HF line as I'm expecting Padraig Mannion, Mcinerney and Fintan Burke to be there for Galway." I agree almost entirely with your proposed team vs Galway. Especially your mention of Foley needing to up his game.
He seems to be a favourite of Egan when available, but hasn't justified that status yet. Clearly didn't work at centre-back on Sunday, and didn't excel in the half-forward line either. It's midfield or nowhere for me, if not I'd try Dunbar there. More space to utilise his pace and he could be the attacking part of a duo with Dee, who tends to track back as much as he goes forward.
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Replying To foreveryoung: "Great attitude. I like that." Yea, get beaten by 17 points and pretend nothing happened. Great attitude.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 847 - 30/03/2022 15:55:01
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Replying To wexico15: "My team v Galway
Fanning
S Reck ( Devitt if he's injured)
Ryan
MOH
Flood ( can't understand him not starting the last 3 games)
P Foley
D Reck ( best player on Sunday)
K Foley ( Needs to up it from the league which he's well capable of)
Dee
Jacko
Chin
McGovern
Dwyer
Conor Mac
Rory
( If 1 of Chin and McDonald is out I'd bring in Oisin Foley, if both are out its Oisin and Mcguckin, Dunbar hasn't done enough over the league to warrant a start, disappointing up to now he hasn't built on the performance vs Clare in Thurles last year), we'll need physicality around the HF line as I'm expecting Padraig Mannion, Mcinerney and Fintan Burke to be there for Galway." Pretty much 100% in agreement with this
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Replying To beano: "I agree almost entirely with your proposed team vs Galway. Especially your mention of Foley needing to up his game.
He seems to be a favourite of Egan when available, but hasn't justified that status yet. Clearly didn't work at centre-back on Sunday, and didn't excel in the half-forward line either. It's midfield or nowhere for me, if not I'd try Dunbar there. More space to utilise his pace and he could be the attacking part of a duo with Dee, who tends to track back as much as he goes forward." I think Foley has enough credit in the bank from the last 4 years to have his place, aged 27 should be in his prime, hasn't played well in his 4 league outings weather its fatigue from a busy few years between club and county in both codes or simply a drop in form I don't know, as I said he's well capable of rediscovering his form as his quality when he's on his game is undoubted. I agree without a full time sweeper spot, midfield is his best position.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 30/03/2022 18:17:09
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Replying To Punter72007: "That's a great post OTM.
Just to add to your points.
IMHO, Morrissey equalising point in 93 was the greatest hurling score I have ever seen. The skill, speed of transfer and execution was exceptional.
Going on a tangent here ... Only Seamus Fitzhenry's solo goal to beat the Dubs in 83/84 league was more skillful. There's no video of it as far as I aware, which is a shame. He collected a breaking ball from midfield, soloed past the centre back with his left foot, bounced the ball, soloed with his right foot, swerved past the full back and was 1:1 with John O'Leary who left his line by about 2-3 metres to meet the attacker. Fitzhenry was now forced to his left and saw John O'Leary was off his line. He then left footed the ball over John O'Leary into the top right corner. John O'Leary back pedalled but the shot was a delicate shot of pure precision into the top corner. Any other spot and it could have been saved. Pure skill of the highest order.
As regards your other point about keeping the same marker if they are doing a good job.
Arguably 76 was an All Ireland that got away from Wexford as well.
I was not at this game but this is my understanding of what happened ... Back in 76, Wexford v Cork, Colm Doran was doing a great job on the great Jimmy Barry Murphy holding him scoreless. The Cork management team were discussing whether to take Jimmy Barry off. Christy Ring said no "You can't replace Genius". Ring saw that MIck Jacob senior was having a great game at centre back and dominating that area. So he moved Jimmy Barry onto Mick Jacob and told him to drift all over the forward lines and drag Mick Jacob away from the centre back area. At least Jimmy would be some value by dragging Mick Jacob away from the number 6 area. Jimmy Barry did just that and managed to score 3/4 points and that was the winning margin for Cork.
Maybe Colm Doran should have been left follow him no matter where he went.
That's my understanding and I am open to listening to others accounts also." As regards '76, what stands for me is Mick Butler missing a few simple frees, when Wexford were in the ascendency-if these had been scored Cork were gone. Right at the death Tony Doran was blown for a very dubious free, when if anything he was being fouled. Many of that era reckon the failure to play the hugely talented Seanie Kinsella was another major mistake by Wexford in '76 and '77.
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