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2022 Wexford Intercounty Hurling

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Replying To Finchfurlong996:  "Are we people suggesting that not winning at underage is not a big deal as long as we get two or 3 players from that panel. Try tell that to a Limerick, Kilkenny or Tipp man. That's an issue within the county. We seemingly accept mediocrity and that everything will be fine. We've only won one All Ireland in 50 years. Haven't been to a final since 1996. That's not acceptable for the biggest sport in a decently populated county to be that mediocre. I don't think it's all doom and gloom as some would suggest. The work at underage is possibly the best it's ever been in terms of promoting the game. I do think we need to to start winning things at underage more often. There's only about 8 decent teams who take hurling seriously and our record is overall poor if we're honest."
We're not saying it doesn't matter just its significance is probably slightly exaggerated, the primary objective of underage intercounty to me is to try to develop players capable of making it at adult level, if they pick up silverware along the way thats fantastic but if they don't but produce players of decent potential i.e. The 2020 minors example I gave earlier, then that still gives hope for the future.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 02/02/2022 21:31:09    2398045

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "Rory O'Connor selected to start at corner forward this evening for DCU. That's positive news although throwing him in on Sunday may be risky after coming back from injury.
As regards underage I agree with previous posts that underage is a primarily a means of producing players to get to senior inter county standard. Winning along the way is a bonus. If you can get 2/3 good players from a minor / u20 team you're doing well. Of course you can also get the odd exception as with the current Limerick team where they brought through much higher numbers from a few underage teams and that's a credit to their underage set up. I think it's also true to say they established themselves at senior by the time they got out of u21. They were hugely talented but also had the strength and conditioning done"
Rory didn't tog at all tonight, same with Shane Reck for IT Carlow.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 02/02/2022 21:50:56    2398047

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Replying To Finchfurlong996:  "Are we people suggesting that not winning at underage is not a big deal as long as we get two or 3 players from that panel. Try tell that to a Limerick, Kilkenny or Tipp man. That's an issue within the county. We seemingly accept mediocrity and that everything will be fine. We've only won one All Ireland in 50 years. Haven't been to a final since 1996. That's not acceptable for the biggest sport in a decently populated county to be that mediocre. I don't think it's all doom and gloom as some would suggest. The work at underage is possibly the best it's ever been in terms of promoting the game. I do think we need to to start winning things at underage more often. There's only about 8 decent teams who take hurling seriously and our record is overall poor if we're honest."
Finch, I see where you are coming from, but I would not put too much emphasis on the 53 year statistic you quote. My home county has been blessed to have produced three really good teams in the past 110 years that won more than one All Ireland each. However we often had average teams and went 77 seasons in which we only one All Ireland, Galway, with a bigger pick by some distance than either of our counties won one All Ireland in 93 years and Clare won one in 108 years, but all those three counties kept at it and eventually reaped the reward as Wexford did in the Fifties and Sixties. I would dispute your 8 counties contention also. You have 5 counties alone in Munster and with that there are some green shoots showing in Kerry. I would consider Kilkenny, Wexford, Laois, Offaly and Dublin all as serious contenders in Leinster and of course Galway is always a formidable side. Kildare is a county in which strides are appearing to be made and it would not surprise if over they did an Offaly- in the early eighties- on it and emerged to be a serious hurling side.
On one final note there has always been three or four teams capable of putting it up to the Big Three at any one time. I think with the right input Wexford could be in that three or four again in the next years and possible even achieve ultimate far sooner that people think.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4512 - 02/02/2022 22:00:04    2398049

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I see Rory didn't hurl last night probably out for Sunday unfortunately . In better news I see Egan confirmed Oisin Foley will be available

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 03/02/2022 09:25:40    2398053

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "You don't think Dublin will pass Wexford in what exactly?"
As in consistently out perform us in competition.

It's not beyond the realm of possiblity of course but one pre season game isn't sufficient evidence for me.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3807 - 03/02/2022 10:39:15    2398062

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Replying To wexico15:  "We're not saying it doesn't matter just its significance is probably slightly exaggerated, the primary objective of underage intercounty to me is to try to develop players capable of making it at adult level, if they pick up silverware along the way thats fantastic but if they don't but produce players of decent potential i.e. The 2020 minors example I gave earlier, then that still gives hope for the future."
That's a little demeaning to 17 or 19 year old lads who would like to play now-win now but I get what you mean. A minor or u20 Leinster or All Ireland is a great prize in itself.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16488 - 03/02/2022 11:00:54    2398070

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Replying To wexico15:  "Rory didn't tog at all tonight, same with Shane Reck for IT Carlow."
Was a scrappy game. Thanks again for the link. Apart from giving the ball away for the goal Niall Murphy was solid enough except for that 1 bad bit of control coming out of defense that led to Casey's goal after some excellent link play from his Wexford colleagues playing for CIT. Richie Lawlor played well. Conall Clancy took a while to get up to the pace of the game but a lovely cross field ball gave DCU hope towards the end. Thought Ross Banville looked very assured on the ball in open play but missed a couple of latish frees. Higgins, Dunbar and Casey all looked excellent in short bursts but drifted out the game for long periods but I think that had more to do with CIT losing the midfield battle at times during the game. They did best when bypassing the midfield tbh and pushing Dunbar furthur forwards and playing quick low ball in. DCU looked better when doing this in the 2nd half also after starting the half playing aimless long high ball forwards that was easily dealt with by the CIT backs . Overall our lads did well enough but as seems to be a countywide problem they werent the biggest lads on the pitch!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16488 - 03/02/2022 11:19:37    2398077

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Replying To Viking66:  "That's a little demeaning to 17 or 19 year old lads who would like to play now-win now but I get what you mean. A minor or u20 Leinster or All Ireland is a great prize in itself."
Oh yeah as I said its fantastic to win underage stuff but by some of the posters here you'd write off young lads if there not successful at underage which I totally disagree with.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 03/02/2022 11:21:54    2398081

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "As in consistently out perform us in competition.

It's not beyond the realm of possiblity of course but one pre season game isn't sufficient evidence for me."
They consistently out performed us from 2009 to 2016. With a few hammerings thrown in. That's not that long ago. And since then we have eked out a few narrow victories and a draw. Not sure where you are going with this Doylerwex!!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16488 - 03/02/2022 11:23:28    2398082

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So with Chin, K Foley, S Reck and Rory O Connor out I suggest we go with;

Fanning
Donohue Ryan Devitt
Flood P Foley D Reck
Dunbar Hearne
O Foley J O Connor Richie Lalor
C Byrne Mc Donald Pepper

I think it is important to drop the regulars who failed to show up vs Dublin. Also I think it is much more important that Egan can unearth one or two new players that will perform under pressure similar to Oisin Foley did vs Kilkenny.

If we can get one or two new young lads to put their hands up and perform well vs the All Ireland Champions then its not the end of the world even if we lose by a large margin as we have a lot of quality players to return

Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 03/02/2022 12:18:32    2398094

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Replying To Yellow:  "So with Chin, K Foley, S Reck and Rory O Connor out I suggest we go with;

Fanning
Donohue Ryan Devitt
Flood P Foley D Reck
Dunbar Hearne
O Foley J O Connor Richie Lalor
C Byrne Mc Donald Pepper

I think it is important to drop the regulars who failed to show up vs Dublin. Also I think it is much more important that Egan can unearth one or two new players that will perform under pressure similar to Oisin Foley did vs Kilkenny.

If we can get one or two new young lads to put their hands up and perform well vs the All Ireland Champions then its not the end of the world even if we lose by a large margin as we have a lot of quality players to return"
Fully agree with this

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 03/02/2022 12:29:52    2398099

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Replying To wexico15:  "Oh yeah as I said its fantastic to win underage stuff but by some of the posters here you'd write off young lads if there not successful at underage which I totally disagree with."
Limerick had u-21 All Ireland successes, won All Irelands.
Clare had u-21 All Ireland successes, won All Ireland.
Galway had underage success, won All Ireland and contested All Ireland.
Tipp & Kilkenny underage success and won and contested numerous All- Irleands.
Waterford had u-21 All Ireland success, contested two All Irelands.
Cork won u-20 All Irleand and following year contested All Ireland.

Success at underage level has a lot to do with winning at senior level, proof is in the pudding above. And trying to cover over failure's and say a good player or two on a losing team will work eventually is utter tripe. One minor championship in 1968 and an u-21 in mid sixties also, is it any wonder there has been one All Ireland won in 55 years.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 838 - 03/02/2022 12:33:39    2398100

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Replying To Yellow:  "So with Chin, K Foley, S Reck and Rory O Connor out I suggest we go with;

Fanning
Donohue Ryan Devitt
Flood P Foley D Reck
Dunbar Hearne
O Foley J O Connor Richie Lalor
C Byrne Mc Donald Pepper

I think it is important to drop the regulars who failed to show up vs Dublin. Also I think it is much more important that Egan can unearth one or two new players that will perform under pressure similar to Oisin Foley did vs Kilkenny.

If we can get one or two new young lads to put their hands up and perform well vs the All Ireland Champions then its not the end of the world even if we lose by a large margin as we have a lot of quality players to return"
I'd go with

Fanning

Donohoe
Ryan
Devitt

Reck
P Foley
O'Hanlon

Flood
Dunbar

O Foley
J O'Connor
O'Keeffe

Dwyer
McDonald
Pepper

I think Egan mentioned to south east radio Devitt went off with an injury against Dublin, if he wasn't available I'd start McGovern and rejig, either move maybe Jack or Dee to midfield and Flood to the defence with Damien Reck corner back, alternatively move Jack to wing back and reck to the corner.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 03/02/2022 12:34:03    2398101

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Replying To wexico15:  "We're not saying it doesn't matter just its significance is probably slightly exaggerated, the primary objective of underage intercounty to me is to try to develop players capable of making it at adult level, if they pick up silverware along the way thats fantastic but if they don't but produce players of decent potential i.e. The 2020 minors example I gave earlier, then that still gives hope for the future."
Limerick had u-21 All Ireland successes, won All Irelands.
Clare had u-21 All Ireland successes, won All Ireland.
Galway had underage success, won All Ireland and contested All Ireland.
Tipp & Kilkenny underage success and won and contested numerous All- Irleands.
Waterford had u-21 All Ireland success, contested two All Irelands.
Cork won u-20 All Irleand and following year contested All Ireland.

Success at underage level has a lot to do with winning at senior level, proof is in the pudding above. And trying to cover over failure's and say a good player or two on a losing team will work eventually is utter tripe. One minor championship in 1968 and an u-21 in mid sixties also, is it any wonder there has been one All Ireland won in 55 years.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 838 - 03/02/2022 12:47:41    2398105

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "As in consistently out perform us in competition.

It's not beyond the realm of possiblity of course but one pre season game isn't sufficient evidence for me."
Fair enough. Certainly true historically and Wexford's semi final against Tipp was ahead of anything Dublin have done in ten years.

For current purposes though I'd say yourselves, ourselves, Clare, Galway are more or less on same level. Dublin have competed with Cork but honestly never looked like getting closer than the 3/4/5 points. And we all know what happened to Cork after.


It's big poser for likes of Egan and Mattie. Do they continue with damage limitation - which I'd see as part of Dublin's approach last few years and not going to comment on changes post Davy - or do they they try something radically different at cost of short term hidings? Same goes for Henry.

Time will tell,

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3688 - 03/02/2022 12:54:42    2398106

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Replying To Viking66:  "Was a scrappy game. Thanks again for the link. Apart from giving the ball away for the goal Niall Murphy was solid enough except for that 1 bad bit of control coming out of defense that led to Casey's goal after some excellent link play from his Wexford colleagues playing for CIT. Richie Lawlor played well. Conall Clancy took a while to get up to the pace of the game but a lovely cross field ball gave DCU hope towards the end. Thought Ross Banville looked very assured on the ball in open play but missed a couple of latish frees. Higgins, Dunbar and Casey all looked excellent in short bursts but drifted out the game for long periods but I think that had more to do with CIT losing the midfield battle at times during the game. They did best when bypassing the midfield tbh and pushing Dunbar furthur forwards and playing quick low ball in. DCU looked better when doing this in the 2nd half also after starting the half playing aimless long high ball forwards that was easily dealt with by the CIT backs . Overall our lads did well enough but as seems to be a countywide problem they werent the biggest lads on the pitch!!"
Seen the game too, IT Carlow are home to UCC in QF next week, that will be tough they look strong on paper, believe them NUI Galway and UL seen as the frontrunners this year. Shane Reck and Eoin Cody are a big loss to Carlow, Cody not involved due to club commitments.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 03/02/2022 13:21:13    2398114

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Replying To Viking66:  "Was a scrappy game. Thanks again for the link. Apart from giving the ball away for the goal Niall Murphy was solid enough except for that 1 bad bit of control coming out of defense that led to Casey's goal after some excellent link play from his Wexford colleagues playing for CIT. Richie Lawlor played well. Conall Clancy took a while to get up to the pace of the game but a lovely cross field ball gave DCU hope towards the end. Thought Ross Banville looked very assured on the ball in open play but missed a couple of latish frees. Higgins, Dunbar and Casey all looked excellent in short bursts but drifted out the game for long periods but I think that had more to do with CIT losing the midfield battle at times during the game. They did best when bypassing the midfield tbh and pushing Dunbar furthur forwards and playing quick low ball in. DCU looked better when doing this in the 2nd half also after starting the half playing aimless long high ball forwards that was easily dealt with by the CIT backs . Overall our lads did well enough but as seems to be a countywide problem they werent the biggest lads on the pitch!!"
Thats the lack of S&C being done done across the board in Wexford. Light years behind.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 838 - 03/02/2022 14:04:32    2398129

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Fair enough. Certainly true historically and Wexford's semi final against Tipp was ahead of anything Dublin have done in ten years.

For current purposes though I'd say yourselves, ourselves, Clare, Galway are more or less on same level. Dublin have competed with Cork but honestly never looked like getting closer than the 3/4/5 points. And we all know what happened to Cork after.


It's big poser for likes of Egan and Mattie. Do they continue with damage limitation - which I'd see as part of Dublin's approach last few years and not going to comment on changes post Davy - or do they they try something radically different at cost of short term hidings? Same goes for Henry.

Time will tell,"
I'd be inclined to agree.

I'd actually go as far as to say behind limerick there's very little to seperate the rest of us.

We all want a competitive leinster too.

I think Dublin are ahead of everyone in preparation at the moment but I was that happen to us in the last few years and we peaked in leinster.

I'd very much fancy Dublin this weekend.

Our best hope is a big performance and gallant defeat to limerick.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3807 - 03/02/2022 14:17:46    2398133

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Replying To Yellow:  "So with Chin, K Foley, S Reck and Rory O Connor out I suggest we go with;

Fanning
Donohue Ryan Devitt
Flood P Foley D Reck
Dunbar Hearne
O Foley J O Connor Richie Lalor
C Byrne Mc Donald Pepper

I think it is important to drop the regulars who failed to show up vs Dublin. Also I think it is much more important that Egan can unearth one or two new players that will perform under pressure similar to Oisin Foley did vs Kilkenny.

If we can get one or two new young lads to put their hands up and perform well vs the All Ireland Champions then its not the end of the world even if we lose by a large margin as we have a lot of quality players to return"
Agree with your selection assuming Murphy and Bailey are still injured too. Hearne especially needs gametime was much poorer than I've seen him play against Kilkenny. Would be good to get D Dunne and Dwyer on for the 2nd half also.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16488 - 03/02/2022 14:34:57    2398137

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Limerick had u-21 All Ireland successes, won All Irelands.
Clare had u-21 All Ireland successes, won All Ireland.
Galway had underage success, won All Ireland and contested All Ireland.
Tipp & Kilkenny underage success and won and contested numerous All- Irleands.
Waterford had u-21 All Ireland success, contested two All Irelands.
Cork won u-20 All Irleand and following year contested All Ireland.

Success at underage level has a lot to do with winning at senior level, proof is in the pudding above. And trying to cover over failure's and say a good player or two on a losing team will work eventually is utter tripe. One minor championship in 1968 and an u-21 in mid sixties also, is it any wonder there has been one All Ireland won in 55 years."
Agree underage success is better than no success. But its no guarantee of senior success was the point I was making. We had a good u21 team in the early noughties that only lost an u21 final to Limerick by a point. Neither us nor Limerick won anything much subsequently at senior.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16488 - 03/02/2022 14:37:32    2398140

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