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Replying To wexico15:  "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8on3sSI4QPw

Its on the Electric Ireland YouTube Channel"
Thanks Wexico

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16488 - 02/02/2022 12:08:39    2397909

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Replying To Viking66:  "Best proof of that pudding is actually Galway. With their underage success this millenium they should have won multiple senior all Irelands if underage success was as important as some posters think."
winning underage def is a major step forward if the right senior management is in place.......
finn , nash , english, pat ryan, byrnes, hayes, o donovan, hego, cian, morrissey, flanagan, gillane, and casey . alll won allireland medalsi in 15 and 17 against wexford and kilkenny. some were on both teams and some just won one. a good crop of underage talent with kiely and kinnerk is running the show is def a recipe for success.

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1143 - 02/02/2022 12:19:45    2397915

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "winning underage def is a major step forward if the right senior management is in place.......
finn , nash , english, pat ryan, byrnes, hayes, o donovan, hego, cian, morrissey, flanagan, gillane, and casey . alll won allireland medalsi in 15 and 17 against wexford and kilkenny. some were on both teams and some just won one. a good crop of underage talent with kiely and kinnerk is running the show is def a recipe for success."
Yes it helps but as I said I don't think its the be all and end all, main thing is too produce players and competitive teams at underage, those players you mentioned didn't suffer in the long run from losing minor all ireland semi finals and finals they were expected to win.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 02/02/2022 13:06:12    2397936

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "winning underage def is a major step forward if the right senior management is in place.......
finn , nash , english, pat ryan, byrnes, hayes, o donovan, hego, cian, morrissey, flanagan, gillane, and casey . alll won allireland medalsi in 15 and 17 against wexford and kilkenny. some were on both teams and some just won one. a good crop of underage talent with kiely and kinnerk is running the show is def a recipe for success."
Yes its certainly better than no success especially if you are trying to build a team from the ground up. A golden generation so to speak. And as you say if coached and managed properly and if all that core stay motivated and playing together then great things are certainly possible as Limerick are currently proving! But in general if you have 2 or 3 or 4 really good players every year, not necessarily enough to win an underage title, that would be enough to keep a strong senior team on the pitch. To imply that our lack of overall underage success is going to lead us to playing in the Christy Ring Cup, or do an Offaly, like the doom and gloom poster implied earlier on this thread which started this conversation is just too negative though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16488 - 02/02/2022 13:08:13    2397939

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Replying To Wexpurebred:  "I was in croke park saturday night and when I left I felt it's going to be a while before I see a wexford team there again. When the desire is gone very hard to get it back .I really taught this team had an all ireland in there heads as they are now at the peak of there careers .a plan never goes to plan unless the physical endurance hard work is put in . Change is coming some will make it more others wont and will retire very soon I can see.What wexford hurling badly need is another underage leinster title and they need it very very soon .If we win nothing this year things are only going to get worse.Starting to look like we are going to become the whipping boys of leinster again and offaly will even pass us out again unless there is a few home truths.The leinster final in 2019 is history now so for goodness sake can we please move on."
I have to say I think this is madness.

I probably felt the same way at full time but a little perspective here.

Forget 2019.

We are a few games into pre season with a new novice manager and had 1 bad game.

I don't for 1 second think we won't be in the hunt for leinster.

We were unlucky not to win it last year. Us and Kilkenny was a highlight of the championship and we threw it away in the 70 minutes.

It's winter, we are experimenting and our two best players are yet to return.

Nevermind offaly. I'm not even convinced Dublin will pass us.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3804 - 02/02/2022 13:33:03    2397948

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Rory O'Connor selected to start at corner forward this evening for DCU. That's positive news although throwing him in on Sunday may be risky after coming back from injury.
As regards underage I agree with previous posts that underage is a primarily a means of producing players to get to senior inter county standard. Winning along the way is a bonus. If you can get 2/3 good players from a minor / u20 team you're doing well. Of course you can also get the odd exception as with the current Limerick team where they brought through much higher numbers from a few underage teams and that's a credit to their underage set up. I think it's also true to say they established themselves at senior by the time they got out of u21. They were hugely talented but also had the strength and conditioning done

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 02/02/2022 13:46:38    2397952

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Replying To Viking66:  "Yes its certainly better than no success especially if you are trying to build a team from the ground up. A golden generation so to speak. And as you say if coached and managed properly and if all that core stay motivated and playing together then great things are certainly possible as Limerick are currently proving! But in general if you have 2 or 3 or 4 really good players every year, not necessarily enough to win an underage title, that would be enough to keep a strong senior team on the pitch. To imply that our lack of overall underage success is going to lead us to playing in the Christy Ring Cup, or do an Offaly, like the doom and gloom poster implied earlier on this thread which started this conversation is just too negative though."
A good example to me is the Wexford minor team of 2020, due to a Covid effected year played 1 championship game lose Leinster semi final to Kilkenny, to the outside that might look like a poor Wexford team, to me there's 3 very exciting prospects from that team in Cian Byrne, Oisin Pepper and Conor Foley (Centre back and captain of Good Counsel team that made the Leinster final) while Corey Byrne Dunbar, Darragh Carley and Liam Schokman from that team were given chances with the seniors in the last month, add in Luke Murphy from the Harriers whose a year younger then team and played on that team, another who might have some potential.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 02/02/2022 13:50:59    2397957

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Replying To wexico15:  "A good example to me is the Wexford minor team of 2020, due to a Covid effected year played 1 championship game lose Leinster semi final to Kilkenny, to the outside that might look like a poor Wexford team, to me there's 3 very exciting prospects from that team in Cian Byrne, Oisin Pepper and Conor Foley (Centre back and captain of Good Counsel team that made the Leinster final) while Corey Byrne Dunbar, Darragh Carley and Liam Schokman from that team were given chances with the seniors in the last month, add in Luke Murphy from the Harriers whose a year younger then team and played on that team, another who might have some potential."
Not to mention cian Molloy , Richie Lawlor, Kyle scallan, a j Redmond, justin Moran and Luke kavanagh from the Leinster winning '19 team who could all go on to be regulars at senior for wexford

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 02/02/2022 14:25:07    2397963

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "Rory O'Connor selected to start at corner forward this evening for DCU. That's positive news although throwing him in on Sunday may be risky after coming back from injury.
As regards underage I agree with previous posts that underage is a primarily a means of producing players to get to senior inter county standard. Winning along the way is a bonus. If you can get 2/3 good players from a minor / u20 team you're doing well. Of course you can also get the odd exception as with the current Limerick team where they brought through much higher numbers from a few underage teams and that's a credit to their underage set up. I think it's also true to say they established themselves at senior by the time they got out of u21. They were hugely talented but also had the strength and conditioning done"
Yeah just seen them on Twitter, 6 wexford lads starting for IT Carlow and 4 DCU if they play how they were selected. Couple in the subs on both teams too.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 02/02/2022 14:25:46    2397964

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "Rory O'Connor selected to start at corner forward this evening for DCU. That's positive news although throwing him in on Sunday may be risky after coming back from injury.
As regards underage I agree with previous posts that underage is a primarily a means of producing players to get to senior inter county standard. Winning along the way is a bonus. If you can get 2/3 good players from a minor / u20 team you're doing well. Of course you can also get the odd exception as with the current Limerick team where they brought through much higher numbers from a few underage teams and that's a credit to their underage set up. I think it's also true to say they established themselves at senior by the time they got out of u21. They were hugely talented but also had the strength and conditioning done"
Him being fit would be a huge boost for Sunday

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 02/02/2022 14:49:57    2397971

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "Not to mention cian Molloy , Richie Lawlor, Kyle scallan, a j Redmond, justin Moran and Luke kavanagh from the Leinster winning '19 team who could all go on to be regulars at senior for wexford"
All have massive potential for sure!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16488 - 02/02/2022 15:09:09    2397973

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "Rory O'Connor selected to start at corner forward this evening for DCU. That's positive news although throwing him in on Sunday may be risky after coming back from injury.
As regards underage I agree with previous posts that underage is a primarily a means of producing players to get to senior inter county standard. Winning along the way is a bonus. If you can get 2/3 good players from a minor / u20 team you're doing well. Of course you can also get the odd exception as with the current Limerick team where they brought through much higher numbers from a few underage teams and that's a credit to their underage set up. I think it's also true to say they established themselves at senior by the time they got out of u21. They were hugely talented but also had the strength and conditioning done"
That is something we still seem to be lagging behind the other top counties in including Dublin. Even Kildare looked bigger than our lads. Galways minors were giants when we played them in 2019

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16488 - 02/02/2022 15:11:27    2397975

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Replying To wexico15:  "Yes it helps but as I said I don't think its the be all and end all, main thing is too produce players and competitive teams at underage, those players you mentioned didn't suffer in the long run from losing minor all ireland semi finals and finals they were expected to win."
I agree with both of you but more so with yourself. Being competitive at under age is imperative to giving players the confidence to play at senior level. Winning is an added bonus but maybe not so critical.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3119 - 02/02/2022 15:16:27    2397977

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Replying To Viking66:  "That is something we still seem to be lagging behind the other top counties in including Dublin. Even Kildare looked bigger than our lads. Galways minors were giants when we played them in 2019"
Ye're not eating enough spuds down there.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2413 - 02/02/2022 15:47:08    2397983

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "That's a very downbeat assessment. Whilst Saturdays performance was very disappointing I'm happy to wait til the end of the league to assess how things are shaping up. I'd also be very hopeful we can win the Leinster u20 this year"
They could not even beat kildare like .And now you think they will win an all ireland.Hopefully we can get past the first round this year......

Wexpurebred (Wexford) - Posts: 205 - 02/02/2022 16:26:26    2397991

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Wexpurebred you're in awful bad form! Please read my post again. Never mentioned an all Ireland. An all Ireland would be great but let's try and win Leinster first. New year, a year older and wiser lessons learned by a lot of those guys and probably a few new faces as naturally happens in the grade. And a new management team as well. Grounds to be optimistic! Cheer up

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 554 - 02/02/2022 16:53:52    2397998

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Ye're not eating enough spuds down there."
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Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16488 - 02/02/2022 17:40:42    2398010

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Replying To Wexpurebred:  "They could not even beat kildare like .And now you think they will win an all ireland.Hopefully we can get past the first round this year......"
That was a horrible night but 1 bad performance shouldn't define a bunch of 18-20 year olds especially when mistakes were made on the sideline. Inconsistency is common with lads of that age. Remember when Westmeath beat Kilkenny in u21 2016, Kilkenny had Conor Delaney, Hugh Lawlor, Paddy Deegan, Conor Browne, Liam Blanchfield, Billy Ryan and Alan Murphy in there team, they actually won Leinster the u21 the following year.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 02/02/2022 18:01:57    2398014

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "Wexpurebred you're in awful bad form! Please read my post again. Never mentioned an all Ireland. An all Ireland would be great but let's try and win Leinster first. New year, a year older and wiser lessons learned by a lot of those guys and probably a few new faces as naturally happens in the grade. And a new management team as well. Grounds to be optimistic! Cheer up"
Are we people suggesting that not winning at underage is not a big deal as long as we get two or 3 players from that panel. Try tell that to a Limerick, Kilkenny or Tipp man. That's an issue within the county. We seemingly accept mediocrity and that everything will be fine. We've only won one All Ireland in 50 years. Haven't been to a final since 1996. That's not acceptable for the biggest sport in a decently populated county to be that mediocre. I don't think it's all doom and gloom as some would suggest. The work at underage is possibly the best it's ever been in terms of promoting the game. I do think we need to to start winning things at underage more often. There's only about 8 decent teams who take hurling seriously and our record is overall poor if we're honest.

Finchfurlong996 (Wexford) - Posts: 255 - 02/02/2022 20:06:12    2398031

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I have to say I think this is madness.

I probably felt the same way at full time but a little perspective here.

Forget 2019.

We are a few games into pre season with a new novice manager and had 1 bad game.

I don't for 1 second think we won't be in the hunt for leinster.

We were unlucky not to win it last year. Us and Kilkenny was a highlight of the championship and we threw it away in the 70 minutes.

It's winter, we are experimenting and our two best players are yet to return.

Nevermind offaly. I'm not even convinced Dublin will pass us."
You don't think Dublin will pass Wexford in what exactly?

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3688 - 02/02/2022 20:26:04    2398034

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