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Replying To wexico15: "I see that Fethard won the football final after extra time, looked back and interesting they had only 1 player on the u17 county panel this year while Kilanerin had 6 starters and 2 used subs against Laois in the Leinster championship. Eoin Whelan the sole Fethard player was midfield that day while himself and another 3 Fethard players were on the minor hurling panel." It just shows that it's up to clubs to get the best out of their talent and there is only so much county set-ups can do. Whelan was the only player from Fethard who was willing to commit to the football squad. And Kilanerin have spent the year thinking they just have to show up and their talent will do the rest.
Gorey had three starters on the u-17 football this year, and at club level actually played in a higher division in the football than hurling for the first time in a while I imagine. They had the same management over both codes and I know for a fact they completely neglected football in favour of hurling. And they ended up beaten by Ferns in the hurling final yesterday after it all.
People see their football results in isolation and think that those who represented the county mustn't be up to it, when in reality they weren't allowed develop at club level.
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Someone questioned the quality of Castletown/Bunclody/Kilanerin group given the low scoring nature, but maybe it was the group of death after all.
Jimmies hammering Annes counts for diddly squat now when both are in the relegation series. And after being built up as potential contenders both on here and elsewhere, James' were found out again.
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Looking at the draws, the only one I expect to be plain sailing is Martins vs Kilanerin, with Martin's to win quiet comfortably despite Kilanerin's improvement today.
Castletown vs Gusserane will be tasty enough. Gusserane are gathering momentum and have two of the most in-form forwards in the entire championship. Castletown have been under-par so far, but have managed to contain Gusserane's attack in recent seasons.
Shels vs Glynn is perhaps the stand-out tie of the last eight. Glynn were made sweat today and showed some resolve that I wasn't sure they had. Shels comfortably topped their group, and it could be argued that both Gusserane and Fethard have improved since then. Expect it to be a chess match.
I think Bunclody could be ripe for a surprise. Starlights didn't blow away either Anne's or James' (who crumpled when down to thirteen men), and Bunclody have a good structure and are hard to be break down. QF's tend to be the graveyard of champions too.
I have heard that Horeswood picked up a couple of injuries yesterday so will struggle against Jimmies in the relegation final. I think Sarsfields will pip St.Anne's, and Fethard will subsequently beat Anne's then.
Crossabeg vs Taghmon and Gorey vs Ferns look like the two most attractive Intermediate QFs. Although Maudlintown vs Cushinstown won't be bad either and could be a score-fest. In the relegation, Ballyhogue have been largely awful so far but should Glynn's second team in a favourable draw, and I think Rosslare will condemn Bannow to the drop.
I would expect Cloughbawn, Kilmore, Clongeen and Adamstown to win the Inter A quarters, and Vols vs St.Joseph's to be one hell of a relegation tussle.
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Replying To beano: "Looking at the draws, the only one I expect to be plain sailing is Martins vs Kilanerin, with Martin's to win quiet comfortably despite Kilanerin's improvement today.
Castletown vs Gusserane will be tasty enough. Gusserane are gathering momentum and have two of the most in-form forwards in the entire championship. Castletown have been under-par so far, but have managed to contain Gusserane's attack in recent seasons.
Shels vs Glynn is perhaps the stand-out tie of the last eight. Glynn were made sweat today and showed some resolve that I wasn't sure they had. Shels comfortably topped their group, and it could be argued that both Gusserane and Fethard have improved since then. Expect it to be a chess match.
I think Bunclody could be ripe for a surprise. Starlights didn't blow away either Anne's or James' (who crumpled when down to thirteen men), and Bunclody have a good structure and are hard to be break down. QF's tend to be the graveyard of champions too.
I have heard that Horeswood picked up a couple of injuries yesterday so will struggle against Jimmies in the relegation final. I think Sarsfields will pip St.Anne's, and Fethard will subsequently beat Anne's then.
Crossabeg vs Taghmon and Gorey vs Ferns look like the two most attractive Intermediate QFs. Although Maudlintown vs Cushinstown won't be bad either and could be a score-fest. In the relegation, Ballyhogue have been largely awful so far but should Glynn's second team in a favourable draw, and I think Rosslare will condemn Bannow to the drop.
I would expect Cloughbawn, Kilmore, Clongeen and Adamstown to win the Inter A quarters, and Vols vs St.Joseph's to be one hell of a relegation tussle." All to play for for everyone. Hard to see a standout team to win Senior or Intermediate so far this year.
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I think Covid could be an impact yet in the championships, not match postponements but teams potentially missing important players, I'm aware of 3 teams in different grades who were missing starters due to it this weekend.
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Replying To beano: "Someone questioned the quality of Castletown/Bunclody/Kilanerin group given the low scoring nature, but maybe it was the group of death after all.
Jimmies hammering Annes counts for diddly squat now when both are in the relegation series. And after being built up as potential contenders both on here and elsewhere, James' were found out again." Think that's a bit harsh on St James, pre game they were rated highly on good merit after a ding ding battle with eventual winners Starlights in last years QF and reasonable group form. They were abysmal today by their standards and worryingly for them looked a bit unfit but for all there shortcomings never gave up and the ghost and a bit more composure in the last 10 mins could have reeled in a Kilanerin team who fell over the line for a finish. You would have to feel sorry for Fethard, haven't won a championship game yet this year across 2 codes but so many near misses in both codes, I think Glynn with extra time today and 5 weeks on the bounce could struggle against Shels next week particularly if the few absentees today are out again.
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Mad the amount of local derbies drawn in relegation games. Horeswood/St James the standout but Enniscorthy and Wexford Town Derbies in lower grades also Ballyhogue/Glynn in Intermediate.
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Replying To wexico15: "Mad the amount of local derbies drawn in relegation games. Horeswood/St James the standout but Enniscorthy and Wexford Town Derbies in lower grades also Ballyhogue/Glynn in Intermediate." St.Patrick's-Kilanerin in Intermediate A as well.
I don't think I was too harsh on St.James at all. It seems to be a recurring theme that they flop when push comes to shove. Yes they gave Starlights a good rattle in the group, but their discipline let them down. Can't have any excuses there. They also pushed Starlights in the QF last year too, but dropped their heads after sustaining a couple of injuries. They were dreadful yesterday against a Kilanerin team that up to now looked certs for relegation.
There are teams getting flak despite doing enough to win (you don't get bonus points for winning by a certain margin), yet Jimmies were warm favourites to win yesterday and didn't do so, but pointing it out is seen as harsh. Bit strange.
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Replying To wexico15: "Mad the amount of local derbies drawn in relegation games. Horeswood/St James the standout but Enniscorthy and Wexford Town Derbies in lower grades also Ballyhogue/Glynn in Intermediate." While we are not in the same district Taghmon is only a little more than 10 miles from Crossabeg too
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11864 - 25/10/2021 11:11:27
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Replying To beano: "St.Patrick's-Kilanerin in Intermediate A as well.
I don't think I was too harsh on St.James at all. It seems to be a recurring theme that they flop when push comes to shove. Yes they gave Starlights a good rattle in the group, but their discipline let them down. Can't have any excuses there. They also pushed Starlights in the QF last year too, but dropped their heads after sustaining a couple of injuries. They were dreadful yesterday against a Kilanerin team that up to now looked certs for relegation.
There are teams getting flak despite doing enough to win (you don't get bonus points for winning by a certain margin), yet Jimmies were warm favourites to win yesterday and didn't do so, but pointing it out is seen as harsh. Bit strange." I wouldn't say they dropped their heads in last years QF, any team who loses 3 starters during a game too injury will suffer because of it, I'd say panel depth cost them against Starlights more than mentality and probably why they've not made past several QFs in recent years, nobody here is making excuses for them they were terrible yesterday and deservedly lost.its all relative if a team is expected to win comfortably and scrape over the line there not going to get showered with complements. I mentioned previously Ross district seems to have dropped back and only Gusserane of those are in the last 8.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 25/10/2021 11:55:09
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Replying To wexico15: "Think that's a bit harsh on St James, pre game they were rated highly on good merit after a ding ding battle with eventual winners Starlights in last years QF and reasonable group form. They were abysmal today by their standards and worryingly for them looked a bit unfit but for all there shortcomings never gave up and the ghost and a bit more composure in the last 10 mins could have reeled in a Kilanerin team who fell over the line for a finish. You would have to feel sorry for Fethard, haven't won a championship game yet this year across 2 codes but so many near misses in both codes, I think Glynn with extra time today and 5 weeks on the bounce could struggle against Shels next week particularly if the few absentees today are out again." I was not Impressed with the refereeing in the second game. It was hard to know what a free was and certainly at the death the Fethard player was fouled, didn't get it, ball turned over and Glynn scored to equalise. However overall I think it caused confusion on both sides for the whole game.
Not exactly the same but Glynn were in total control only to let it slip, like the hurling. A lot of that came from Fethards own kickout sending it straight to the big Glynn men in the middle. The young lad that came on saved the day for them.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 25/10/2021 12:34:23
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Replying To wexico15: "I wouldn't say they dropped their heads in last years QF, any team who loses 3 starters during a game too injury will suffer because of it, I'd say panel depth cost them against Starlights more than mentality and probably why they've not made past several QFs in recent years, nobody here is making excuses for them they were terrible yesterday and deservedly lost.its all relative if a team is expected to win comfortably and scrape over the line there not going to get showered with complements. I mentioned previously Ross district seems to have dropped back and only Gusserane of those are in the last 8." On Gusserane, they are really are building a bit of momentum, and there is perhaps no better team in the championship to thrive when their confidence is up. I see their game vs. Castletown as the first of the double-bill on Sunday being a cracker. Interestingly, the two winners yesterday, Kilanerin and Glynn, are down to play on the Saturday block of games, so theoretically have a shorter turnaround time, which in Glynn's case could be detrimental.
I notice that they are playing two junior QFs off simultaneously in Ferns COE again on Friday night. It really does give a bit more leeway for the fixtures committee.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1417 - 25/10/2021 13:03:06
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Replying To wexico15: "I wouldn't say they dropped their heads in last years QF, any team who loses 3 starters during a game too injury will suffer because of it, I'd say panel depth cost them against Starlights more than mentality and probably why they've not made past several QFs in recent years, nobody here is making excuses for them they were terrible yesterday and deservedly lost.its all relative if a team is expected to win comfortably and scrape over the line there not going to get showered with complements. I mentioned previously Ross district seems to have dropped back and only Gusserane of those are in the last 8." For sure. As discussed relative wealth and size of the local population in the parishes affects player numbers and facilities. Fethard won the county premier minor title and are probably the club in the District with best young players coming through in both codes but that goes in cycles too. Outside of the big clubs in and around Wexford town, Starlights/Rapps, and Gorey the most successful club in the county taking football and hurling as a whole are probably Fethard. Massive strides have been made in hurling in the District too with it only being a few years ago that clubs like Gusserane and Taghmon were barely Junior clubs.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11864 - 25/10/2021 13:15:10
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Replying To zinny: "I was not Impressed with the refereeing in the second game. It was hard to know what a free was and certainly at the death the Fethard player was fouled, didn't get it, ball turned over and Glynn scored to equalise. However overall I think it caused confusion on both sides for the whole game.
Not exactly the same but Glynn were in total control only to let it slip, like the hurling. A lot of that came from Fethards own kickout sending it straight to the big Glynn men in the middle. The young lad that came on saved the day for them." Yeah I'd agree, generally I like a liberal referee but at times players were getting clearly fouled and not getting a free. 4th official really annoyed me in the 1st game, seemed to be looking for conflict on the line. At 1 point 3 Kilanerin subs were warming up near a corner flag using a football, he made his way down and confiscated the ball like a parent telling off some misbehaving children. Same man gave the 2 early reds in the Shels Gorey hurling QF, seems to crave the limelight bit like Joe Brolly. 18 year old Alan Mahoney and Matt Joyce did make a big difference when introduced to Glynn, I think Mahoney has the the ability to play Senior Senior intercounty.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 25/10/2021 20:59:53
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Replying To beano: "Someone questioned the quality of Castletown/Bunclody/Kilanerin group given the low scoring nature, but maybe it was the group of death after all.
Jimmies hammering Annes counts for diddly squat now when both are in the relegation series. And after being built up as potential contenders both on here and elsewhere, James' were found out again." Interestingly enough all three of those teams could come a cropper this weekend too.
Gusserane v Castletown will be a close game, Gusserane have a bit of momentum but if I had to put my €1 on someone here i'd put it on Castletown by one or two points.
St Martins v Kilanerin - Kilanerin pulled a rabbit out of the hat last weekend by moving Paudie Hughes to centre forward and he ran St James ragged, the men from the south of the county could never recover from the blistering start that Kilanerin got. St Martin's have the players to win this one but underestimate Kilanerin and you'll get burned.
Bunclody v Starlights - Starlights probably needed a weeks break more than anyone else and it will be a big help to them. Having the match on Sunday means Nick Doyle will be available although playing rugby v Tullamore on Saturday will have him running on half a battery in Wexford Park. Young Kelly at corner back has been incredible all championship for Bunclody and if he can curtail the influence of Ricky Fox, I'd give Bunclody a small chance. All that said I cant see past Starlights in this one.
A district derby between Glynn Barntown and Shelmaliers will be very exciting. Glynn battled to the end for the win over a very good Fethard team who have been so unlucky this year. However the extra time and bodies will be sore and tired and I think the winners in this one will be Shelmaliers.
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Replying To Viking66: "While we are not in the same district Taghmon is only a little more than 10 miles from Crossabeg too" Even closer I'd say, from the Camross/Barntown border on the N25 to Ferrycarrig wouldn't be far at all.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 26/10/2021 10:47:16
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Replying To wexico15: "Yeah I'd agree, generally I like a liberal referee but at times players were getting clearly fouled and not getting a free. 4th official really annoyed me in the 1st game, seemed to be looking for conflict on the line. At 1 point 3 Kilanerin subs were warming up near a corner flag using a football, he made his way down and confiscated the ball like a parent telling off some misbehaving children. Same man gave the 2 early reds in the Shels Gorey hurling QF, seems to crave the limelight bit like Joe Brolly. 18 year old Alan Mahoney and Matt Joyce did make a big difference when introduced to Glynn, I think Mahoney has the the ability to play Senior Senior intercounty." I agree. Mahoney looks to be one worth giving a shot. Talented family!
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1417 - 26/10/2021 11:59:39
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Replying To wexico15: "Even closer I'd say, from the Camross/Barntown border on the N25 to Ferrycarrig wouldn't be far at all." Ah yes the distance between the parish boundaries would be less than 5 miles as the crow flies
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Replying To beano: "I agree. Mahoney looks to be one worth giving a shot. Talented family!" is he a son of shapes of the vols fame?
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2842 - 26/10/2021 20:45:33
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Senior:
Shels v Glynn- I see Eoghan Nolan played a full game for the Shels 2nd string last weekend, his return would be a big boost. Hopefully from a Glynn perspective Matt Doyle and Aaron Breen will be back, I think Breen could be worth a call up to the county panel, on this game I'd fancy Shels in normal circumstances but after extra time last weekend and a 5th weekend out in a row I think Glynn are really facing an uphill task here.
Kilanerin v St Martins- Kilanerin mixed good and bad last weekend, superb for 45 mins but arguably fell over the line in the end, Martins look to be motoring well should have good game IQ on the line between Ciaran Lyng and Colm 'Scruff' Murphy, I think they should be to strong in this one and could be hard to stop in a semi final.
Castletown v Gusserane- Hard to read this one, with Gusserane's firepower I wouldn't be surprised to see them put it up to Castletown maybe even win it but conversely I wouldn't be surprised to see Castletown open them up at will and win comfortably, as I said previously Gusserane can be a dangerous underdog but I think in this case Castletown will just have enough.
Starlights v Bunclody- Bringing in Pat Roe looks to have been a masterstroke from Bunclody and there improvements from last year are clear to see, helps when you have 2 inspirational figures like Nolan and O'Connor to build your team around, in the years they won titles Starlights have tended to grow as the year has gone on, I think they'll have enough here but not after 1 hell of a battle.
Relegation:
Sarsfields v St Annes- So hard to call this one, if Richie Lawlor or Chin are available that could be huge to the Sars, taught Annes were very poor last weekend and lacking a cutting edge upfront, think Sars might win by 1 or 2 points.
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Crossabeg v Taghmon- Quarter Finals when favourites have been a sticky wicket for Crossabeg the last 3 years and I'm expecting the same here, Ferns turned them over last year while they had narrow wins over Ferns and Rosslare the 2 previous years. With the pitch in New Ross tending to be soft this time of the year I this could be a battle more an exhibition and I think with Devereux's and Foley's to the fore Crossabeg might sneak it by 2 after been put to the pin of their collar by Taghmon.
Cushinstown v Maudlintown- Hard one to call an extra time certainly a possibility, Marys will be delighted Spot Murphys injury wasn't as serious as 1st looked, Cushinstown won this narrowly last year and I think they might do the same here by 2 or 3
Ferns v Gorey- I was questioning Gorey a few weeks ago but to their credit they've seem to have found some form and momentum while they're 2nd string have also acquitted themselves admirably in Intermediate A after promotion,I know Ballyhogue seem to be at a low ebb but 7 points from play from Cian 'Patsy' Molloy was an eye catching contribution last weekend, another really hard game to call but I think Gorey seem to hitting they're straps at the right time and might beat last years finalists by a point or 2
Duffry v St Fintans- Duffry won this fixture by 3 last year in a really good game and I think this will be close again, although I think St Fintans might edge it this time, to have senior panelists Shanley and Jim Rossiter and the couple of young guns Shane Pettit and Jack O'Leary is a good base to build your time around at Intermediate.
With plenty have hard games to call I wouldn't be shocked to see a penalty shoot out somewhere this weekend.
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