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Replying To wexico15: "Think your right on the last sentence, in Intermediate I think Crossabeg have the highest ceiling and if they maintain a high level they'll be hard to stop, but they've produced some surprisingly poor performances on the odd occasions in recent years, 2019 final only scored 4 points against Bunclody, last year lost to Ferns and only 1 player scored for Ferns.
In Senior its noticeable the Ross district clubs have dropped back, I think Gusserane in 2019 is the only occasion in the last 4 years any of them have made the last 4 or further, if you were doing a power rankings you wouldn't have any of them in the top 5 who would probably be Shels, Castletown, Martins, Starlights and Glynn." Think your last line highlights something that's been becoming more and more apparent as the years go on. 3 of those 5 clubs, Shels, Martin's and Barntown, are the ones benefitting most from affluent people moving to those areas because while they are fairly rural they are also in the greater Wexford town area. As their populations grow they also have higher playing populations. And better facilities as their members and areas' populations are generally better off and therefore more liable to contribute well to local club fundraising initiatives. Most of the Ross district teams come from sparsely populated and relatively poorer areas of the county. Probably the poorest as the motorway has seen property prices rise as far down as Gorey initially and now Enniscorthy. Gusserane, Horeswood, Ramsgrange and Cushinstown would all fall into that category. And there has been endless debate about the fortunes, or lack thereof, of GOH. Gusserane and Horeswood are both still doing ok underage though and I wouldnt be surprised to see them doing better in senior in the years to come.
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Replying To wexico15: "I agree but to clarify preliminary QF is not open draw, 4 2nd placed teams in 1 pot and 3rd placed teams in the other pot and no repeat pairings of group phase allowed, although games outside of Crossabeg look to have been competitive so i doubt the standard of 2nd and 3rd placed teams will be much different." Actually, you're right. Got it wrong myself earlier in my muddled Monday morning state of mind. Finishing second in your group allows you to play a team who finished third in another group, so at least there's some nominal "on paper" advantage to coming second.
Got it confused on account of how the hurling championship was originally go along the lines of A2 v B3, A3 v B2, etc..
Let's call it a "semi-open draw". :)
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Replying To Viking66: "Think your last line highlights something that's been becoming more and more apparent as the years go on. 3 of those 5 clubs, Shels, Martin's and Barntown, are the ones benefitting most from affluent people moving to those areas because while they are fairly rural they are also in the greater Wexford town area. As their populations grow they also have higher playing populations. And better facilities as their members and areas' populations are generally better off and therefore more liable to contribute well to local club fundraising initiatives. Most of the Ross district teams come from sparsely populated and relatively poorer areas of the county. Probably the poorest as the motorway has seen property prices rise as far down as Gorey initially and now Enniscorthy. Gusserane, Horeswood, Ramsgrange and Cushinstown would all fall into that category. And there has been endless debate about the fortunes, or lack thereof, of GOH. Gusserane and Horeswood are both still doing ok underage though and I wouldnt be surprised to see them doing better in senior in the years to come." Think you're onto something there alright, noticeable that alot of the Ross District clubs amalgamate at underage in recent years. What those 3 clubs close to Wexford town also have in common is they should benefit more than most from the split season, Castletown possibly benefit more than most from people moving into the parish from Dublin ( wouldn't mind living close to Ballymoney myself). Hear the Harriers and Gorey have huge numbers now in nursery's etc. but the drop of rate possibly higher in towns.
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Replying To Viking66: "Think your last line highlights something that's been becoming more and more apparent as the years go on. 3 of those 5 clubs, Shels, Martin's and Barntown, are the ones benefitting most from affluent people moving to those areas because while they are fairly rural they are also in the greater Wexford town area. As their populations grow they also have higher playing populations. And better facilities as their members and areas' populations are generally better off and therefore more liable to contribute well to local club fundraising initiatives. Most of the Ross district teams come from sparsely populated and relatively poorer areas of the county. Probably the poorest as the motorway has seen property prices rise as far down as Gorey initially and now Enniscorthy. Gusserane, Horeswood, Ramsgrange and Cushinstown would all fall into that category. And there has been endless debate about the fortunes, or lack thereof, of GOH. Gusserane and Horeswood are both still doing ok underage though and I wouldnt be surprised to see them doing better in senior in the years to come." Crossabeg possibly seeing a similar benefit of the 3 clubs names around Ferrycarrig and Crossabeg area although Ballymurn area might be a bit more remote.
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Replying To wexico15: "Think you're onto something there alright, noticeable that alot of the Ross District clubs amalgamate at underage in recent years. What those 3 clubs close to Wexford town also have in common is they should benefit more than most from the split season, Castletown possibly benefit more than most from people moving into the parish from Dublin ( wouldn't mind living close to Ballymoney myself). Hear the Harriers and Gorey have huge numbers now in nursery's etc. but the drop of rate possibly higher in towns." There has been more mini-housing estates cropping up in Kilanerin than anywhere else locally too over the last decade.
But then again, would the New Ross catchment area not be within the commuter belt of Waterford and Kilkenny?
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Yeah, I reckon you're onto something too. Obviously those clubs still have to attract people to get involved or otherwise support them, but stands to reason all the same that with a higher population, there are more people to play and more people to support fundraisers.
Might be a bit the same around Castletown. My own boss, for example, is from Dublin but lives in that area and his kids play with the club there. Am sure he's not the only one like that.
Incidentally, happened to be in Kilanerin myself recently as well, and noticed what looked like a relatively large number of signs around the village along the lines of "slow down - rural road - expect tractors, livestock, etc.". Am guessing it's because of a relatively large number of Dubs in the area too, for at least part of the year.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2245 - 11/10/2021 14:30:44
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Replying To beano: "There has been more mini-housing estates cropping up in Kilanerin than anywhere else locally too over the last decade.
But then again, would the New Ross catchment area not be within the commuter belt of Waterford and Kilkenny?" Well, there's an explanation for the Kilanerin thing anyway!
On the other point - I don't think the Waterford/Kilkenny effect would be anywhere near as substantial. And bear in mind that we're not just talking about Dubs moving to those other places either. For example, I lived in borderline St. Martin's country myself for a few years before getting married. Didn't get involved there but probably would have ended up doing so when the young lad started playing, if we'd stayed living there instead of moving up to my wife's home place.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2245 - 11/10/2021 15:01:14
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Replying To beano: "There has been more mini-housing estates cropping up in Kilanerin than anywhere else locally too over the last decade.
But then again, would the New Ross catchment area not be within the commuter belt of Waterford and Kilkenny?" Pre covid the Dublin commuter belt would dwarf the Kilkenny Waterford belt, remember its only about 1hr 15 mins now from Maldron Hotel roundabout to Dundrum shopping centre, I think covid has changed the landscape with working from home now far more prominent so hopefully rural areas see the benefit of this.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 11/10/2021 16:30:55
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Yeah, I reckon you're onto something too. Obviously those clubs still have to attract people to get involved or otherwise support them, but stands to reason all the same that with a higher population, there are more people to play and more people to support fundraisers.
Might be a bit the same around Castletown. My own boss, for example, is from Dublin but lives in that area and his kids play with the club there. Am sure he's not the only one like that.
Incidentally, happened to be in Kilanerin myself recently as well, and noticed what looked like a relatively large number of signs around the village along the lines of "slow down - rural road - expect tractors, livestock, etc.". Am guessing it's because of a relatively large number of Dubs in the area too, for at least part of the year." I noticed those "warning" signs too when I was up that way a few weeks ago. A relative from the area told me that they were erected in conjunction with the covid19 vaccination signs, due to the large number of "strangers" who were expected to visit the vaccination centre in kilanerin.
yelowbelly (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 11/10/2021 17:15:34
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was down in fethard lately, first time in years, old stomping ground, spent a couple of hours deiving around, some houses in the parish now, cant all be holiday homes, a lot are to big to be,
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Replying To beano: "There has been more mini-housing estates cropping up in Kilanerin than anywhere else locally too over the last decade.
But then again, would the New Ross catchment area not be within the commuter belt of Waterford and Kilkenny?" Waterford and Dublin are 2 different beasts when it comes to commuting. Waterford isnt anywhere near as expensive as Dublin to live in. And I dont know anyone who commutes to Kilkenny from around here but the same would apply as for Waterford. Most people I know in the Ross District are either working locally on farms etc or in construction predominantly up around Dublin. Some of these stay up there in digs during the week which makes it harder for them to bring their kids to the local club for training etc. Even if they are home every night often they dont get home til 7 or 8 and are out on the road at 5.30am.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11841 - 12/10/2021 11:13:57
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Replying To Stmunnsriver: "was down in fethard lately, first time in years, old stomping ground, spent a couple of hours deiving around, some houses in the parish now, cant all be holiday homes, a lot are to big to be," Alot of them are believe it or not! Costs only a little more to build a 4 bed holiday home than a 2 bed one! The big expenses of planning, waste water, fresh water and ESB are all the same regardless how big the house you build is.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11841 - 12/10/2021 11:18:01
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Replying To wexico15: "Think you're onto something there alright, noticeable that alot of the Ross District clubs amalgamate at underage in recent years. What those 3 clubs close to Wexford town also have in common is they should benefit more than most from the split season, Castletown possibly benefit more than most from people moving into the parish from Dublin ( wouldn't mind living close to Ballymoney myself). Hear the Harriers and Gorey have huge numbers now in nursery's etc. but the drop of rate possibly higher in towns." I am not sure there will be as big in dividend as people think. Given the amount of success these clubs have had at underage only Glynn have a team in intermediate and Junior, Martins are Junion A and Shells Junior B, the question is, will waiting until September keep lads who are only interested in playing football in the game? For example they are starting the u20 toward the end on the championship and based on if the senior team is out of the championship because players are now back in Uni so they cannot play midweek. How is that helping? The split season will not stop dropout and that is the key issue I believe. For me the u20 has to be run off after uni finishes regardless on the code. The big clubs are sticking their heads in the sand on the issue simply because they believe they get enough players coming through into their senior team and that's all they care about
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 12/10/2021 12:30:13
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My slightly delayed team of week 2:
Darragh Brooks (Castletown)- solid in the basics and his venture up field at the death paved the way for the late goal.
Joe Barrett (St.Martin's)- second appearance in a row for the young lad, but developing into a fine prospect.
Billy Kelly (Bunclody)- Brosnan may have got the last laugh, but Kelly held him as well as could be expected in an impressive display from the half-way men.
Andre O'Brien (Shels)- got up the field for a goal and has been one of the most under-rated players on the scene for years now.
Rory O'Connor (St.Martin's)- his driving runs were the catalyst to St.Martin's blowing Sarsfields away in the second half.
Conor Carty (Castletown)- best player on the night for Castletown and carried the fight when others weren't as prominent
Seamus Carroll (Crossabeg)- one of the most attack-minded wing-backs across the upper grades, and always good for a score.
Liam Ryan (Starlights)- consistency personified in both codes and capped off the win with a goal.
Padraig Foley (Crossabeg)- absolutely cleaning up in the middle for the runaway Crossabeg so far, chipping with 0-4 from play.
Fionn Cooney (Glynn)- scored 1-2 himself and created scores for others on top of that. Decent prospect.
Kevin Foley (Starlights)- like Ryan, rarely has a bad game for Starlights and finished with 2-2.
Cian Byrne (Fethard)- impressive debut for the teenager and looks to to have added an extra dimension to his side's attack.
Brian Malone (Shels)- by all accounts, has adapted well to his new role in the two-man full forward line.
Ben Brosnan (Castletown)- quiet in the first half, but provided two goals after the break as they squeaked a narrow win.
Shane Wilde (Glynn)- showed nice invention along the end-line for his goal, and had blossomed in the last couple of years.
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Replying To beano: "My slightly delayed team of week 2:
Darragh Brooks (Castletown)- solid in the basics and his venture up field at the death paved the way for the late goal.
Joe Barrett (St.Martin's)- second appearance in a row for the young lad, but developing into a fine prospect.
Billy Kelly (Bunclody)- Brosnan may have got the last laugh, but Kelly held him as well as could be expected in an impressive display from the half-way men.
Andre O'Brien (Shels)- got up the field for a goal and has been one of the most under-rated players on the scene for years now.
Rory O'Connor (St.Martin's)- his driving runs were the catalyst to St.Martin's blowing Sarsfields away in the second half.
Conor Carty (Castletown)- best player on the night for Castletown and carried the fight when others weren't as prominent
Seamus Carroll (Crossabeg)- one of the most attack-minded wing-backs across the upper grades, and always good for a score.
Liam Ryan (Starlights)- consistency personified in both codes and capped off the win with a goal.
Padraig Foley (Crossabeg)- absolutely cleaning up in the middle for the runaway Crossabeg so far, chipping with 0-4 from play.
Fionn Cooney (Glynn)- scored 1-2 himself and created scores for others on top of that. Decent prospect.
Kevin Foley (Starlights)- like Ryan, rarely has a bad game for Starlights and finished with 2-2.
Cian Byrne (Fethard)- impressive debut for the teenager and looks to to have added an extra dimension to his side's attack.
Brian Malone (Shels)- by all accounts, has adapted well to his new role in the two-man full forward line.
Ben Brosnan (Castletown)- quiet in the first half, but provided two goals after the break as they squeaked a narrow win.
Shane Wilde (Glynn)- showed nice invention along the end-line for his goal, and had blossomed in the last couple of years." Ben brosnan was anonymous from play except for the final kick of the game and the best goalkeeper of the week by far was the Bunclody goalkeeper Patrick Kavanagh.
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Replying To Onfor15: "Ben brosnan was anonymous from play except for the final kick of the game and the best goalkeeper of the week by far was the Bunclody goalkeeper Patrick Kavanagh." Okay, fair enough.
I did have the proviso that Brosnan was quiet in the first half (I actually had him as a candidate to be taken off at HT) but he was involved more when moved out to centre-forward and was the winning of a tight game thereafter. Name another forward that definitely should have been selected ahead of him, that played fourteen?
Kavanagh was good yeah, but Brooks was Beggan-esque in the key moment of the game. It's all subjective of course.
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Replying To beano: "Okay, fair enough.
I did have the proviso that Brosnan was quiet in the first half (I actually had him as a candidate to be taken off at HT) but he was involved more when moved out to centre-forward and was the winning of a tight game thereafter. Name another forward that definitely should have been selected ahead of him, that played fourteen?
Kavanagh was good yeah, but Brooks was Beggan-esque in the key moment of the game. It's all subjective of course." Beano how could you select Ben at 14?
You admit yourself that he could have been withdrawn at half time. Yes he was a lot more influential in second half, when he played almost as a 3rd midfielder.
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Replying To yelowbelly: "Beano how could you select Ben at 14?
You admit yourself that he could have been withdrawn at half time. Yes he was a lot more influential in second half, when he played almost as a 3rd midfielder." Because it was literally the clutch moment of the weekend and as the saying goes "form is temporary, class is permanent.."
Anyway, looking to this weekend's ties, and the two red cards St.James received last day out could come back to bite them severely. Walsh and Molloy had scored five points from play between them before that, and coupled with KOG hobbling off, their entire full-forward line may not be available vs. Anne's. And the fact no-one who finishes third will want to draw the losers of Martin's and Glynn particularly, it could have a huge bearing on the championship yet.
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Weekend predictions:
Senior:
St Martins v Glynn- I think both teams would really benefit from winning this one, been part of the 4 team group means the loser would have to play 7 Weekends on the bounce if they made a final, I think this caught up with the Annes in the hurling with benefit of hindsight while the winner earns a valuable weekend off in the circumstances. On the game itself don't know the injury scenario of James Stafford or O'Regan but the return of either would be a big boost for Glynn, I think overall Martins have a bit more to give them a win by 3 with their bench making a difference.
Horeswood v Sarsfields- 1st true knockout game of the championship, with a quartet of Declan Murphy, Jamie Meyler, Banville and Sean Nolan on paper Horeswood have as potent an attack as anyone, however they've shown little or nothing thus far, Sarsfields have been spirited against the same opposition and I suspect they've held the returning Chin back for this game, I'll give the Sars the nod by 2-3 points.
Remaining games decide 2nd or 3rd in the 3 teams groups, I think there's value in finishing 2nd as it insures not meeting Martins or Glynn in a preliminary quarter final, the draw to avoid in my opinion.
St Annes v St James- I presume Jimmies will be short a couple threw suspension and a 6 day turnaround will be a tough on KOG if he got injured, I'll go with the Annes by 2 or 3.
Kilanerin v Bunclody- Haven't seen either yet but by all reports Bunclody should take great encouragement from their performance last week and I give them the nod by 2.
Fethard v Gusserane- Seen both in the flesh, both look to be at a similar level thus hard to call but I think Gusserane might edge it by a point or 2 over their neighbours.
Intermediate:
Bannow v Rosslare- Think Rosslare have a bit more about them and will win this one.
Ballyhogue v Glynn- Couldn't really back Glynn after last weekends showing so I'll go with Ballyhogue.
Maudlintown v Fintans- Marys need a 3 point win or 2 point win scoring a total of 15 or more to secure top spot, I think they'll win the game and barely do enough to beat Ferns in terms of topping the group.
Taghmon v Gorey- Hard one to call but Gorey have flattered to deceive to often the last couple of years, I think Taghmon will secure top spot in the group.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 15/10/2021 09:33:03
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Replying To wexico15: "Weekend predictions:
Senior:
St Martins v Glynn- I think both teams would really benefit from winning this one, been part of the 4 team group means the loser would have to play 7 Weekends on the bounce if they made a final, I think this caught up with the Annes in the hurling with benefit of hindsight while the winner earns a valuable weekend off in the circumstances. On the game itself don't know the injury scenario of James Stafford or O'Regan but the return of either would be a big boost for Glynn, I think overall Martins have a bit more to give them a win by 3 with their bench making a difference.
Horeswood v Sarsfields- 1st true knockout game of the championship, with a quartet of Declan Murphy, Jamie Meyler, Banville and Sean Nolan on paper Horeswood have as potent an attack as anyone, however they've shown little or nothing thus far, Sarsfields have been spirited against the same opposition and I suspect they've held the returning Chin back for this game, I'll give the Sars the nod by 2-3 points.
Remaining games decide 2nd or 3rd in the 3 teams groups, I think there's value in finishing 2nd as it insures not meeting Martins or Glynn in a preliminary quarter final, the draw to avoid in my opinion.
St Annes v St James- I presume Jimmies will be short a couple threw suspension and a 6 day turnaround will be a tough on KOG if he got injured, I'll go with the Annes by 2 or 3.
Kilanerin v Bunclody- Haven't seen either yet but by all reports Bunclody should take great encouragement from their performance last week and I give them the nod by 2.
Fethard v Gusserane- Seen both in the flesh, both look to be at a similar level thus hard to call but I think Gusserane might edge it by a point or 2 over their neighbours.
Intermediate:
Bannow v Rosslare- Think Rosslare have a bit more about them and will win this one.
Ballyhogue v Glynn- Couldn't really back Glynn after last weekends showing so I'll go with Ballyhogue.
Maudlintown v Fintans- Marys need a 3 point win or 2 point win scoring a total of 15 or more to secure top spot, I think they'll win the game and barely do enough to beat Ferns in terms of topping the group.
Taghmon v Gorey- Hard one to call but Gorey have flattered to deceive to often the last couple of years, I think Taghmon will secure top spot in the group." Agree with most of your predictions Wexico except I feel Kilanerin and Fethard will shade close games.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11841 - 15/10/2021 10:33:18
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