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I remember U21 football being played around that time of year before, albeit a good while ago now, and clubs weren't fond of it then either. Main complaints were basically the same as we have now - difficulty in midweek training when lads are away in college, and the competition being run off in just a few weeks in order to get it out of the way, with some of the players then having little or no games for the rest of the year.
Sad fact of the matter is that U20/U21 will always be a "problem" grade as regards scheduling. Only real solution might be a rule where U20/U21 players couldn't play senior/intermediate/junior, in the same way that U17s now can't play it. It would open up the calendar for full and "proper" U20/U21 competitions, instead of them having to be shoehorned in around the older grades. But that would be a real nuclear approach and I can't see it ever happening either.
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I remember U21 football being played around that time of year before, albeit a good while ago now, and clubs weren't fond of it then either. Main complaints were basically the same as we have now - difficulty in midweek training when lads are away in college, and the competition being run off in just a few weeks in order to get it out of the way, with some of the players then having little or no games for the rest of the year.
Sad fact of the matter is that U20/U21 will always be a "problem" grade as regards scheduling. Only real solution might be a rule where U20/U21 players couldn't play senior/intermediate/junior, in the same way that U17s now can't play it. It would open up the calendar for full and "proper" U20/U21 competitions, instead of them having to be shoehorned in around the older grades. But that would be a real nuclear approach and I can't see it ever happening either." Another issue I know from personal experience is pre xmas 3rd level exams.
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Wexford Gaels, anyone know who they are???
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Replying To Lockerroomboy: "Wexford Gaels, anyone know who they are???" Vols and St Josephs combined, Sars and Marys entering their own teams.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 25/11/2021 12:19:27
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I remember U21 football being played around that time of year before, albeit a good while ago now, and clubs weren't fond of it then either. Main complaints were basically the same as we have now - difficulty in midweek training when lads are away in college, and the competition being run off in just a few weeks in order to get it out of the way, with some of the players then having little or no games for the rest of the year.
Sad fact of the matter is that U20/U21 will always be a "problem" grade as regards scheduling. Only real solution might be a rule where U20/U21 players couldn't play senior/intermediate/junior, in the same way that U17s now can't play it. It would open up the calendar for full and "proper" U20/U21 competitions, instead of them having to be shoehorned in around the older grades. But that would be a real nuclear approach and I can't see it ever happening either." They played the u20 hurling while the senior was going on, why not do it over summer each year regardless. If it starts the first week of July you have 3mths to finish both codes.
I am hearing of walkover already!
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1799 - 25/11/2021 12:39:59
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Replying To zinny: "They played the u20 hurling while the senior was going on, why not do it over summer each year regardless. If it starts the first week of July you have 3mths to finish both codes.
I am hearing of walkover already!" Yes, but U20 football couldn't be run midweek alongside the senior competition in the way that hurling was done, because there simply aren't enough floodlit venues for matches during October/November.
However, club championships next year are provisionally pencilled in to start in early July, unless Wexford make it to an All-Ireland semi-final or further. They started in mid-August this year. So starting roughly six weeks earlier should at least bring some other options to how things are run.
By the way, with regard to the idea of playing U20 football in February/March - occurs to me now that's precisely the time the U20 county team will be preparing for championship. That's something else that you'd have to work around if you decided to try it then.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2226 - 25/11/2021 14:04:00
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Yes, but U20 football couldn't be run midweek alongside the senior competition in the way that hurling was done, because there simply aren't enough floodlit venues for matches during October/November.
However, club championships next year are provisionally pencilled in to start in early July, unless Wexford make it to an All-Ireland semi-final or further. They started in mid-August this year. So starting roughly six weeks earlier should at least bring some other options to how things are run.
By the way, with regard to the idea of playing U20 football in February/March - occurs to me now that's precisely the time the U20 county team will be preparing for championship. That's something else that you'd have to work around if you decided to try it then." Playing club u20 championship after the Sigerson/Fitzgibbon might help the lads get ready for the county championship too though. When does the intercounty u20 get under way?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11715 - 25/11/2021 15:34:17
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Replying To zinny: "They played the u20 hurling while the senior was going on, why not do it over summer each year regardless. If it starts the first week of July you have 3mths to finish both codes.
I am hearing of walkover already!" Who gave walkover
Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 431 - 25/11/2021 15:57:41
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Yes, but U20 football couldn't be run midweek alongside the senior competition in the way that hurling was done, because there simply aren't enough floodlit venues for matches during October/November.
However, club championships next year are provisionally pencilled in to start in early July, unless Wexford make it to an All-Ireland semi-final or further. They started in mid-August this year. So starting roughly six weeks earlier should at least bring some other options to how things are run.
By the way, with regard to the idea of playing U20 football in February/March - occurs to me now that's precisely the time the U20 county team will be preparing for championship. That's something else that you'd have to work around if you decided to try it then." Back before the change to under-20, they used to play the under-21 hurling championship concurrently with when the county team were in action. The under-21 football championship however was even left to the back-burner back then, despite the county team generally playing in the early part of the year, when it would theoretically wouldn't clash with as many commitments, especially sporting.
I don't see why they couldn't have ran off the under-20 football immediately after the under-20 hurling this year to emulate the same format in all the other grades. Even if the evenings were getting shorter by then, there should be enough leeway to fix a day-time game not to clash with an adult one. Then again I am not surprised it appears farcical AGAIN.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1409 - 25/11/2021 16:09:16
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Don't actually know when U20 football inter-county stuff is to start next year, but according to this link, the All-Ireland final is pencilled in for May 14/15. So I'd expect the first round of the provincial championships to be sometime around middle to end of March.
So, here's the dilemma...
- can't play U20 football club during February/March because clubs would be without their best players who are with county team. County team would hopefully get a run into April as well.
- can't play U20 during late April/May/most of June due to third level exams.
- MIGHT get to play U20 football midweek alongside U20 hurling during July/August/early September, on a basis of hurling one week, football the next week. But if you're talking eight to at most ten weeks for both hurling and football, that's only four to five weeks for each, which means all bar the semi-finalists probably only get two games in hurling and two football. Same issue as always then for the lads at this grade who might not be up yet to playing at older level.
- can't play midweek from middle of September onwards. Not enough daylight in the evenings, and not enough floodlit venues.
- clubs can't play U20 at weekends at that time of year so long as they're still also involved in senior/intermediate/junior, unless we ignore player welfare by asking young lads to play U20 one day and at an older grade on the other.
- can play at this time of year when other club championships are finished all right, but obviously people not happy with it.
I see no easy solution anyway.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2226 - 25/11/2021 17:01:41
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Welfare is a moot point when just this weekend two teams are playing the junior B football final on Friday night, and are both in action in under-20 the following afternoon (for now, maybe walkovers yet).
There are solutions better than dragging it out till the build-up to Christmas.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1409 - 25/11/2021 17:46:28
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And just on not being able to play in February before the inter-county championship starts, can they not have designated championship matches on the Saturday or Sunday where the county team can train but on the stipulation that those who have club action are exempt? Or something like that. It's a short formatted championship with the majority of clubs unaffected by county action anyway.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1409 - 25/11/2021 18:14:37
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Don't actually know when U20 football inter-county stuff is to start next year, but according to this link, the All-Ireland final is pencilled in for May 14/15. So I'd expect the first round of the provincial championships to be sometime around middle to end of March. So, here's the dilemma... - can't play U20 football club during February/March because clubs would be without their best players who are with county team. County team would hopefully get a run into April as well. - can't play U20 during late April/May/most of June due to third level exams. - MIGHT get to play U20 football midweek alongside U20 hurling during July/August/early September, on a basis of hurling one week, football the next week. But if you're talking eight to at most ten weeks for both hurling and football, that's only four to five weeks for each, which means all bar the semi-finalists probably only get two games in hurling and two football. Same issue as always then for the lads at this grade who might not be up yet to playing at older level. - can't play midweek from middle of September onwards. Not enough daylight in the evenings, and not enough floodlit venues. - clubs can't play U20 at weekends at that time of year so long as they're still also involved in senior/intermediate/junior, unless we ignore player welfare by asking young lads to play U20 one day and at an older grade on the other. - can play at this time of year when other club championships are finished all right, but obviously people not happy with it. I see no easy solution anyway."
Bring minor back to 18, ban minors from playing adult and scrap under 20 altogether at club level.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 25/11/2021 19:20:34
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Replying To Onfor15: " Replying To Pikeman96: "Don't actually know when U20 football inter-county stuff is to start next year, but according to this link, the All-Ireland final is pencilled in for May 14/15. So I'd expect the first round of the provincial championships to be sometime around middle to end of March. So, here's the dilemma... - can't play U20 football club during February/March because clubs would be without their best players who are with county team. County team would hopefully get a run into April as well. - can't play U20 during late April/May/most of June due to third level exams. - MIGHT get to play U20 football midweek alongside U20 hurling during July/August/early September, on a basis of hurling one week, football the next week. But if you're talking eight to at most ten weeks for both hurling and football, that's only four to five weeks for each, which means all bar the semi-finalists probably only get two games in hurling and two football. Same issue as always then for the lads at this grade who might not be up yet to playing at older level. - can't play midweek from middle of September onwards. Not enough daylight in the evenings, and not enough floodlit venues. - clubs can't play U20 at weekends at that time of year so long as they're still also involved in senior/intermediate/junior, unless we ignore player welfare by asking young lads to play U20 one day and at an older grade on the other. - can play at this time of year when other club championships are finished all right, but obviously people not happy with it. I see no easy solution anyway." The solution is obvious, but no one will have the guts to do it. Bring minor back to 18, ban minors from playing adult and scrap under 20 altogether at club level."
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11715 - 26/11/2021 07:33:42
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Replying To Lockerroomboy: "Who gave walkover" Per the fixtures monageer and crossabeg, we'll that's what's updated now. Who knows some more may be in the balance.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1799 - 26/11/2021 08:39:14
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Yes, but U20 football couldn't be run midweek alongside the senior competition in the way that hurling was done, because there simply aren't enough floodlit venues for matches during October/November.
However, club championships next year are provisionally pencilled in to start in early July, unless Wexford make it to an All-Ireland semi-final or further. They started in mid-August this year. So starting roughly six weeks earlier should at least bring some other options to how things are run.
By the way, with regard to the idea of playing U20 football in February/March - occurs to me now that's precisely the time the U20 county team will be preparing for championship. That's something else that you'd have to work around if you decided to try it then." They sated too late that was the problem and there was no reason why they couldn't have started earlier.
In the past there has always been this reluctance to play u20 when the senior championship is on or when the County u20 is on. I say play it without their star players and give the lads who don't want to play adult but still want to play a chance. It should be about preventing drop out and big deal if the club that has the most County players don't win it, hopefully other players develop as a result.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1799 - 26/11/2021 08:46:43
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Replying To zinny: "Per the fixtures monageer and crossabeg, we'll that's what's updated now. Who knows some more may be in the balance." I know of 2 clubs who both agreed to play 13 aside as they simply hadnt the numbers.
Clubs are under pressure and County Board isnt helping, teams who may not be able to fulfill a fixture this weekend could next weekend as COVID is an issue with Clubs but dont fulfill a fixture this weekend and theyre simply thrown out.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1326 - 26/11/2021 09:42:40
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I am not surpised clubs aren't able to field teams.
If I was a young lad, hearing these rumours that my social life was going to be curtailed again, the last thing I would want to be doing is togging out in the wind and cold.
Another alternative would have to start the competition the week after the various adult QFs. Teams out of championship fixed to play the weekend, teams still in championship by then fixed to play U20 on Tuesday or Wednesday. It'd be a lot closer to a finish by now.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1409 - 26/11/2021 10:46:31
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Replying To beano: "I am not surpised clubs aren't able to field teams.
If I was a young lad, hearing these rumours that my social life was going to be curtailed again, the last thing I would want to be doing is togging out in the wind and cold.
Another alternative would have to start the competition the week after the various adult QFs. Teams out of championship fixed to play the weekend, teams still in championship by then fixed to play U20 on Tuesday or Wednesday. It'd be a lot closer to a finish by now." Why would restrictions in pubs/ hospitality impact someone's decision to play a u20 game for there club?
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 26/11/2021 10:52:59
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Replying To wexico15: "Why would restrictions in pubs/ hospitality impact someone's decision to play a u20 game for there club?" Playing Friday night games would be ok as they could go on the lash after! But unless these u20 lads are very weak these days, a 2.30 game should not be a problem no matter what the session.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1799 - 26/11/2021 11:35:28
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