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St.Martin's came a cropper in a semi-final yet again. To have won only one county title in eight years is an under-achievement given their resources. I think overall the re-introduction of BOC can be deemed unsuccessful as he didn't have the impact they would have hoped. In fairness, it would be hard for the lad to immediately adjust back to the game, especially when at the back of your mind you'd be wary of an injury potentially derailing his career prospects. You also run the risk of causing disharmony in the panel.
All credit to Gusserane though, they have improved massively from the defence that got torn apart in the final of 2019. John Roche, Cillian Kehoe, Eoin Ryan and Mark O'Neill are all playing very well aside from their more heralded players. They won't have it easy vs Shels though as they don't even seem to have hit their stride yet and have the most powerful running game in the entire county.
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Replying To tearintom: "Really? Surely the club will work something for them, be a huge loss for Crossabeg if true." also they wont survive in senior without them 2
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Replying To beano: "St.Martin's came a cropper in a semi-final yet again. To have won only one county title in eight years is an under-achievement given their resources. I think overall the re-introduction of BOC can be deemed unsuccessful as he didn't have the impact they would have hoped. In fairness, it would be hard for the lad to immediately adjust back to the game, especially when at the back of your mind you'd be wary of an injury potentially derailing his career prospects. You also run the risk of causing disharmony in the panel.
All credit to Gusserane though, they have improved massively from the defence that got torn apart in the final of 2019. John Roche, Cillian Kehoe, Eoin Ryan and Mark O'Neill are all playing very well aside from their more heralded players. They won't have it easy vs Shels though as they don't even seem to have hit their stride yet and have the most powerful running game in the entire county." Yeah it's 5 semi final and 2 final defeats for St Martins in the last 7 seasons, all narrow defeats bar 1 or 2. Looking back the 7 wides in the 1st quarter killed them, could have easily had minimum 4 or 5 point lead at the 1st water break. Full credit to Gusserane in that they outplayed them from this point onwards, taught Greame Cullen was outstanding today and has been all championship, Gavin Sheehans runs from deep did alot of damage in the 2nd half while the midfield pairing of Roche and Kehoe really stood up and were counted. I don't think Barry O'Connor been involved would cause disharmony, I'd say the total opposite infact, he could easily sit it out and not jeopardise his opportunities in Syndey in terms of injury but he tried to chip in with lads he played with from underage up. For all St Martins resources they've lost alot for various reasons in the last few years, I compared their team in 2017 final to Gusserane in 2016 and Shels in 2018. Shels are pretty much the same personal to pick from except AJ Lehane and Ciaran O'Shaughnessy are no longer involved. For Gusserane of lads young enough to be there I think Liam Dillon is in Australia any other changes are just lads mid 30s or older who've moved on. For St Martins Aaron Maddock, Harry O'Connor, Jamie Carty are all currently abroad, Ciaran Lyng,and Paidi Kelly seem to ravaged by injuries, Willie Devereux is only playing hurling for the last couple of years, Luke White has transfered to a club in Donegal although he's a far bigger loss in hurling as Tomas Hayes is solid between the sticks. Finally there's Barry O'Connor who spent over 18 months in Syndey until a couple of months ago. 3 scores from play would rarely suffice at this level in must be said.
Shels were so comfortable in the 1st game after getting the goal just prior to the 1st water break, after their 2nd quarter purple patch they really played at 2nd or 3rd gear in the 2nd half keeping Bunclody at arms length. Was impressed with Sean Keane Carroll, Kyle Roche and Graham Staples today, Bunclody had a great year but their forward lines limitations were exposed today.
Rosslare getting relegated in Intermediate is a shock, beat Bannow by 11 in the final group game only 3 weeks ago, Bannow are almost tipped for relegation every year since Brosnan's move to Castletown but they've pulled off a few surprises down the years, relegating Adamstown for example, I think a potential flaw of this years 2 team relegation was shown in Intermediate A where Vols and St Joesphs were probably the worst 2 teams in the grade this year on form but the Vols stayed up at the Joeys expense, in the other game Kilanerin were relegated after extra time, but you could make a case Kilanerin would have beaten Vols comfortably if both had met in the relegation play offs. Although I taught Rosslare would be too good for Bannow too.
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St martin's too many ball winners and not enough lads who can score, young waters on the bench who is a free scoring forward not brought on, brings on lads who can run but can't score
Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 437 - 08/11/2021 08:45:14
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Giving my own club are out of contention I was hoping for a bunclody gusserane final with bunclody coming out on top just for the novel pairing and bunclody not winning a championship for 20 odd years.
However shelmaliers do what shelmaliers do and have been and are the best team in the championship and I expect that to be reflected in the scoreline sunday.
The intermediate is very interesting as the interest and support Marys maudlintown are bringing is creating a real buzz around the lower end of town, which I feel is a result of their move away from pairc charman. They are a good solid team and based on the weekend may not be as good as crossabeg but have alot more ability in front of goal so it could be similar to the martins match yesterday with the better team actually losing out in the end to a more clinical maudlintown team in front of goal.
As regards the two crossabeg lads not playing as they are moving abroad I would be shocked if they were not togged out. We all know the things all of our respective clubs would do if we were lucky enough to be in a county final next weekend and i cant imagine crossabeg are any different, esoecially with the extra incentive to go dual senior now when they were dual intermediate last year.
hurlin101 (Wexford) - Posts: 104 - 08/11/2021 10:47:33
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Replying To beano: "St.Martin's came a cropper in a semi-final yet again. To have won only one county title in eight years is an under-achievement given their resources. I think overall the re-introduction of BOC can be deemed unsuccessful as he didn't have the impact they would have hoped. In fairness, it would be hard for the lad to immediately adjust back to the game, especially when at the back of your mind you'd be wary of an injury potentially derailing his career prospects. You also run the risk of causing disharmony in the panel.
All credit to Gusserane though, they have improved massively from the defence that got torn apart in the final of 2019. John Roche, Cillian Kehoe, Eoin Ryan and Mark O'Neill are all playing very well aside from their more heralded players. They won't have it easy vs Shels though as they don't even seem to have hit their stride yet and have the most powerful running game in the entire county." I would disagree on the BOC point however I would say the issue is how best to use the talents he has. He won a lot of ball and what you need is a plan to feed off him. I think the put ROC in full forward when BOC was on, which for me was the wrong way around. The Martins tried to play a similar type of game to the Shels except it appears as if the Shels have a plan and work to it, everyone knows their role and its all for the team. The Martins just don't seem to have that. Is that the coaching or players, the talent is there so hard to know.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 08/11/2021 10:58:22
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Giving my own club are out of contention I was hoping for a bunclody gusserane final with bunclody coming out on top just for the novel pairing and bunclody not winning a championship for 20 odd years.
However shelmaliers do what shelmaliers do and have been and are the best team in the championship and I expect that to be reflected in the scoreline sunday.
The intermediate is very interesting as the interest and support Marys maudlintown are bringing is creating a real buzz around the lower end of town, which I feel is a result of their move away from pairc charman. They are a good solid team and based on the weekend may not be as good as crossabeg but have alot more ability in front of goal so it could be similar to the martins match yesterday with the better team actually losing out in the end to a more clinical maudlintown team in front of goal.
As regards the two crossabeg lads not playing as they are moving abroad I would be shocked if they were not togged out. We all know the things all of our respective clubs would do if we were lucky enough to be in a county final next weekend and i cant imagine crossabeg are any different, esoecially with the extra incentive to go dual senior now when they were dual intermediate last year.
hurlin101 (Wexford) - Posts: 104 - 08/11/2021 11:08:36
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Replying To zinny: "I would disagree on the BOC point however I would say the issue is how best to use the talents he has. He won a lot of ball and what you need is a plan to feed off him. I think the put ROC in full forward when BOC was on, which for me was the wrong way around. The Martins tried to play a similar type of game to the Shels except it appears as if the Shels have a plan and work to it, everyone knows their role and its all for the team. The Martins just don't seem to have that. Is that the coaching or players, the talent is there so hard to know." Yeah that's a fair enough point. I suppose when I saw him available to the club, I was expecting him to make the same sort of impact that Colin O'Riordan made for Tipp last year, or McKenna has for Tyrone since his return. Saw him as a potential title-winning addition, but it just didn't work out. I do think one of their coaching ticket talks a good game without the CV to back it up.
I do accept Wexico's point that Martin's have lost a few players over the years. But they aren't in the same boat as other, smaller clubs. When I was minor, Bunclody were mopping up championships and Jim Byrne Cups, and looked set to have a strong adult team, only to get decimated by emigration and are only really recovering now. Martin's have a constant stream of underage talent coming through though, and surely have a few lads they could dip into from their junior team (like the aforementioned Waters, Conor Kelly and Coleman are good too). They seem to do it regularly enough in the hurling.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1417 - 08/11/2021 12:01:41
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Was at both senior semi finals yesterday. Shels looked too good for Bunclody altho Bunclody never got going. From a shels point of view Graham Staples Geln Malone Simon Donohoe Sean Keane Carroll and Kyle Roche were the best they had. Padraig O'Leary didnt even score after getting 6 last week which shows the spread of scorers the shels have. Shels will be delighted Eoghan Nolan played a full game and will need him next week.
Gussrane and Martins game was by far a better game the Martins should have been out of site by half and I think Gussrane played to the strengths in the 2nd half leaving Rossiter and Mini inside. I think the Martins squad moral is not good doe and maybe showed when the pressure came on. BOC was a dilema for Lyng and i think he should have started him in the end Sheehan was on him and it pllayed into Gussranes hands. Taking off JOC was also a big mistake unless he was injured.
Onto next week I wasnt at the first match between the two teams. I think the Shels are going to be favourites but are not my favourites. Gussrane have had two very tough knockout games and it will stand to them now in the final. The shels had a tough enough 15 mins after half time v Gylnn and nothing yesterday. I think Gussranes 2 inside Rossiter and Mini will cause problems. Shels running game and Gussranes big men around the middle will be a clash of styles but i think the two lads up front give Gussrane the edge.
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Replying To hurlin101: "Giving my own club are out of contention I was hoping for a bunclody gusserane final with bunclody coming out on top just for the novel pairing and bunclody not winning a championship for 20 odd years.
However shelmaliers do what shelmaliers do and have been and are the best team in the championship and I expect that to be reflected in the scoreline sunday.
The intermediate is very interesting as the interest and support Marys maudlintown are bringing is creating a real buzz around the lower end of town, which I feel is a result of their move away from pairc charman. They are a good solid team and based on the weekend may not be as good as crossabeg but have alot more ability in front of goal so it could be similar to the martins match yesterday with the better team actually losing out in the end to a more clinical maudlintown team in front of goal.
As regards the two crossabeg lads not playing as they are moving abroad I would be shocked if they were not togged out. We all know the things all of our respective clubs would do if we were lucky enough to be in a county final next weekend and i cant imagine crossabeg are any different, esoecially with the extra incentive to go dual senior now when they were dual intermediate last year." I expect the 2 lads will surely play. I know they probably wont survive at senior without the two of them but dual senior would be a huge achievment.
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Replying To beano: "Player-led disharmony that ultimately saw two extra club selectors drafted in the week of their Inter A hurling semi. Naturally didn't stay around for the football championship." Not sure who your source is Beano but I heard over the weekend from a reliable source that the players had nothing to do with it. Team totally changed around then for semi final.
grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 166 - 08/11/2021 13:10:03
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Replying To outsideoftheleft: "I expect the 2 lads will surely play. I know they probably wont survive at senior without the two of them but dual senior would be a huge achievment." Not many clubs have been dual senior and it would be an achievement. At the same Crossabeg like the other satellite clubs around Wexford town should have the resources and playing numbers to do it. The team played a good brand of cohesive football in their QF against an admittedly depleted Taghmon team but there were no 2 players who looked irreplaceable in that game. It's a bit patronising to the rest of the panel to suggest that the absence of the 2 lads should have that much impact on achieving or subsequently maintaining senior football status.
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Replying To grassroots01: "Not sure who your source is Beano but I heard over the weekend from a reliable source that the players had nothing to do with it. Team totally changed around then for semi final." Yeah I was just going on a couple of sources that had the same story, but yours might be more reliable than mine.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1417 - 08/11/2021 13:51:36
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Replying To Viking66: "Not many clubs have been dual senior and it would be an achievement. At the same Crossabeg like the other satellite clubs around Wexford town should have the resources and playing numbers to do it. The team played a good brand of cohesive football in their QF against an admittedly depleted Taghmon team but there were no 2 players who looked irreplaceable in that game. It's a bit patronising to the rest of the panel to suggest that the absence of the 2 lads should have that much impact on achieving or subsequently maintaining senior football status." Yeah i taught the same, talking to people from the area they view Ronan Devereux whose not 1 of the lads heading away as their best player and obviously the 2 Foley's are influential too.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 08/11/2021 14:32:30
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Replying To hurlin101: "Giving my own club are out of contention I was hoping for a bunclody gusserane final with bunclody coming out on top just for the novel pairing and bunclody not winning a championship for 20 odd years.
However shelmaliers do what shelmaliers do and have been and are the best team in the championship and I expect that to be reflected in the scoreline sunday.
The intermediate is very interesting as the interest and support Marys maudlintown are bringing is creating a real buzz around the lower end of town, which I feel is a result of their move away from pairc charman. They are a good solid team and based on the weekend may not be as good as crossabeg but have alot more ability in front of goal so it could be similar to the martins match yesterday with the better team actually losing out in the end to a more clinical maudlintown team in front of goal.
As regards the two crossabeg lads not playing as they are moving abroad I would be shocked if they were not togged out. We all know the things all of our respective clubs would do if we were lucky enough to be in a county final next weekend and i cant imagine crossabeg are any different, esoecially with the extra incentive to go dual senior now when they were dual intermediate last year." As i said before might be bit more complicated for the 2 Crossabeg lads than just rescheduling flights with Covid getting Visa's could be less straightforward than 2 years ago I'm not sure.
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Does anybody know if Wexford Park and Bellefield are out of commission specifically this Saturday? Because I see that two of the county finals are fixed for the same time on Saturday, intermediate A in New Ross and junior in Pat's Park. I know Ross is an ideal venue for both sides involved in the Inter A decider, but it kind of takes away from the occasion that they aren't the one double-header and instead clash with each other. The curtain-raiser of the junior final isn't exactly going to attract many neutrals to it either, no disrespect to the teams involved.
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Replying To beano: "Does anybody know if Wexford Park and Bellefield are out of commission specifically this Saturday? Because I see that two of the county finals are fixed for the same time on Saturday, intermediate A in New Ross and junior in Pat's Park. I know Ross is an ideal venue for both sides involved in the Inter A decider, but it kind of takes away from the occasion that they aren't the one double-header and instead clash with each other. The curtain-raiser of the junior final isn't exactly going to attract many neutrals to it either, no disrespect to the teams involved." Ladies football Intermediate and Senior finals in Bellefield on Saturday.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 09/11/2021 09:39:26
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Team of the weekend, incorporating relegation series and junior semis:
Dylan Owens (Maudlintown)- was St.Mary's hero on a historic day when saving two efforts in the penalty shoot-out.
Eoin Ryan (Gusserane)- perhaps the most impressive young defender to have made strides in the senior championship, moved from the wing to the corner here.
John Dunne (Duffry)- kept the up to now imperious Spot Murphy quiet from general play despite losing out in the end.
Graham Staples (Shelmaliers)- his goal kick-started what turned out to be a comfortable win for the Over the Water lads.
Glen Malone (Shelmaliers)- his driving runs caused more problems for Bunclody than they encountered all season, he sealed the deal with a late goal.
Mark O'Neill (Gusserane)- had quietly gone about his business before now, an absolute pillar at the weekend. Worthy of another shot on the county scene.
Michael Sweeney (Monageer)- lined out wing-forward at the weekend, but generally a wing-back. Has to be included for his two equalising points in normal time and extra-time, and his clinching spot-kick thereafter.
Paddy Devereux (Crossabeg)- in my opinion, the best midfielder on show at the weekend. His loss, should it materialise, could be crippling to a Crossabeg side looking to make it up to senior for the first time ever.
Mikey Fogarty (St.Anne's)- 2-2 for the multi-faceted sports man to preserve the Rathangan lads senior status.
PJ Nolan (Kilrush)- supplied the last four points and won a lot of crucial ball to bring his experience to bear.
Graeme Cullen (Gusserane)- the consummate link-man between defence and attack, has been hugely influential during Gusserane's run to the final.
Connal Flood (Cloughbawn)- 0-5 from the county hurler, he is a serious player in both codes.
Kyle Roche (Shelmaliers)- 1-2 for the youngster, the second time he has hit the tally this season.
Paul Curtis (Clongeen)- 0-4 for the recent county footballer, the Geeners will be sweating on his availability all week.
Mark Rossiter (Gusserane)- scorer of the all-important goal, when he is on song, there is no finer sight in Wexford.
Honourable mentions:
Paul Foley (Cloughbawn)- made a telling impact in the shoot-out as well, though a black-mark against him for conceding a penalty and getting sin-binned.
Brian Malone (Shelmaliers)- three from play, thriving in an advanced role.
Thomas Morris (St.Patrick's)- six points from play as his side just about survived.
Daryl Murphy (Clongeen)- 1-2 for a player having an excellent season.
Denis Kenny (Kilmore)- went down fighting with 0-2 from play to cap a fine campaign.
John Roche (Gusserane)- immeasurable improvement from the midfielder so far.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1417 - 09/11/2021 10:06:56
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Replying To beano: "Does anybody know if Wexford Park and Bellefield are out of commission specifically this Saturday? Because I see that two of the county finals are fixed for the same time on Saturday, intermediate A in New Ross and junior in Pat's Park. I know Ross is an ideal venue for both sides involved in the Inter A decider, but it kind of takes away from the occasion that they aren't the one double-header and instead clash with each other. The curtain-raiser of the junior final isn't exactly going to attract many neutrals to it either, no disrespect to the teams involved." I'd guess it's a case of just "minding" pitches at this time of year, with wet weather and soft ground and all that goes with it.
Bellefield has a match on Friday night so would guess they're not putting anything there Saturday to allow it recover. Conversely, Wexford Park has the two big matches there on Sunday, so would guess they're not putting anything there on Saturday in case the Saturday matches tear up the pitch and leave it in a bad state for Sunday.
St. Patrick's Park seems to be the only venue deemed capable of taking so many matches this time of year and suffering so much hardship.
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Replying To outsideoftheleft: "Was at both senior semi finals yesterday. Shels looked too good for Bunclody altho Bunclody never got going. From a shels point of view Graham Staples Geln Malone Simon Donohoe Sean Keane Carroll and Kyle Roche were the best they had. Padraig O'Leary didnt even score after getting 6 last week which shows the spread of scorers the shels have. Shels will be delighted Eoghan Nolan played a full game and will need him next week.
Gussrane and Martins game was by far a better game the Martins should have been out of site by half and I think Gussrane played to the strengths in the 2nd half leaving Rossiter and Mini inside. I think the Martins squad moral is not good doe and maybe showed when the pressure came on. BOC was a dilema for Lyng and i think he should have started him in the end Sheehan was on him and it pllayed into Gussranes hands. Taking off JOC was also a big mistake unless he was injured.
Onto next week I wasnt at the first match between the two teams. I think the Shels are going to be favourites but are not my favourites. Gussrane have had two very tough knockout games and it will stand to them now in the final. The shels had a tough enough 15 mins after half time v Gylnn and nothing yesterday. I think Gussranes 2 inside Rossiter and Mini will cause problems. Shels running game and Gussranes big men around the middle will be a clash of styles but i think the two lads up front give Gussrane the edge." I saw the first round game between the two of them. It took Shels some time to get their rhythm going and despite looking a far stronger team were behind going into the last quarter but then pulled away. I would say neither team will be talking about that game, fist game for months and both have come through to the final so different ballgame Sunday.
Gusserane will believe that to win they need to stop shels from scoring goals but how do you do that? pack the defense ? -that's not their style either. I have a feeling this one could be an open and depending on the weather a high scoring game.
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