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A poor Limerick beat them in '13 and 14 and took them down to the wire in'12.- a side that was not a patch on the current team.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 15/09/2021 22:52:02 2381021 Link 0 |
Anyone who thinks Richie Hogan's sending off in 2019 was questionable really needs to read the rule book. A blatant red card. Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1488 - 16/09/2021 00:19:02 2381032 Link 0 |
If that was a blatant red then ever game should end up 4 players been sent off from each side.
Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 127 - 16/09/2021 13:16:42 2381087 Link 1 |
I will disagree with you saying the team of the last decade is not a patch on today's team. Eoin Kelly and Lar Corbett a young Bonnar Maher were better then anyone they have today. andO'Brien and Ryan were very good players. Woodlock and Shane McGrath were better then today's centerfield. In the backs you had a young Paudie Maher and Brendan Maher Fanning O'Mahony were very good players and a goalkeeper that always comes up in the convesation of best ever. Today's team has good players but on the whole are not in the class of the previous team. Losing an odd game here or there doesn't take away from the great games they played for the 5 or 6 years they were on the road.
gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 16/09/2021 13:19:37 2381089 Link 1 |
Most people would agree with you on the red card issue, Claret and blue.
MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 16/09/2021 21:10:50 2381191 Link 0 |
Fully agree on that. Must say I'm slightly worried from a Tipp perspective currently. One player whos regularly first to be brought on wouldn't have got next or near a Tipp panel back then. Hoping Bonnar brings this team forward and not backwards.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 17/09/2021 10:00:39 2381254 Link 0 |
100% I think the real issue that day was the fact that Barrett was on the field as his action on Hogan earlier was also a stone wall red card, and in full view of the ref. Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 17/09/2021 14:17:41 2381319 Link 3 |
Exactly
gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 17/09/2021 19:43:10 2381386 Link 4 |
I believe Brian Cody, should have stepped down a couple of years ago. His record probably won't be equalled, but it is time for a new approach. Kilkenny have fallen back into the pack, from their outstanding record over the period 2006 to 2015. The underage teams are not producing the players, as in the past. Galway beat them in the U20 and U17 championships, and were themselves well beaten by Cork in the respective All Ireland finals. MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 18/09/2021 19:20:13 2381498 Link 0 |
I don't think many on the Limerick Team of '12 '13 and 14 would get on the current team- Hannon and Quaid, who are both playing better now than they were back then, but after that very few
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 18/09/2021 19:39:56 2381502 Link 0 |
I think cody is doing a good job with the talent he has.
Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 127 - 18/09/2021 23:56:46 2381550 Link 1 |
Yeah reaching 3 semi finals in a row with the current squad is good going but the question is if Cody left after 2015 would the next manager be ratified unopposed for 7th season with cody's record from that point.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 19/09/2021 10:20:31 2381574 Link 1 |
I think the Kilkenny board are made up of hurling realists. They will know better than us that Cody has done an amazing job with the panels he has had. We both know from watching them playing us underage it was only in the last few years that they have started having a few really good young players coming through. Most of the teens they were fairly average. So to have reached a final and 2 semis the last 3 years is I think a really good achievement!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11827 - 20/09/2021 10:34:14 2381790 Link 1 |
I'd miss him if he were gone. The baseball hat, the savage winning mentality and odd sideline bust up, the man is Kilkenny to the core. slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 21/09/2021 12:14:12 2382028 Link 1 |
But the well has dried up. I thought Eoin Larkin's comment, after the the Cork/Limerick game, was telling. He said 'Thank God Kilkenny did not qualify for the final'.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 21/09/2021 17:19:01 2382114 Link 0 |
Kilkenny would have done a better job than Cork on the day but would definitely have lost. But yeah Kilkennys backs... specifically the halfbacks aren't great bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 21/09/2021 18:49:43 2382133 Link 0 |
To be fair, Larkin could have said the same about any other county.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2458 - 21/09/2021 19:52:58 2382146 Link 0 |
Yes Cat, I grant you that, but KK were the last team to beat Limerick, when the chips were really down, and I also feel that your boys would have given us a far better game than Cork did a few weeks back. I am deeply conflicted about whether Brian Cody should call it a day or not. From his own viewpoint he is absolutely nailed down as the greatest Manager of all time. It was one thing to win a four in a row with the '06-'09 team but to wring another four out of the '11 to '15 was something else seeing as three of those finals went to replays. However it will surely take a few more years for KK to get back to the top and are his methods and tactics attuned enough to the modern game, which is much changed even from seven or eight years back.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 21/09/2021 20:53:31 2382168 Link 0 |
Regarding Cody, ballydalane's comment earlier on this topic pretty much sums my thoughts: "In defence of Cody, I honestly don't think there's another manager in Kilkenny who would do better with that group of players. There's no one saying "he should be winning All Irelands with the talent at his disposal". He wrings every last ounce out of them. But on balance I think he should have stepped aside a couple of years ago to let someone else have a go, if only just to have a fresh face in charge, new ideas etc. The guy just doesn't think like that, though" It's hard to know whether Kilkenny would have offered a better challenge than Cork. The Cody factor, with his huge experience of All-Ireland finals, could have made a difference. But I don't think Kilkenny, or any other county, would have beaten Limerick this year, the only question is how many points they would have lost by. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2458 - 21/09/2021 21:34:05 2382186 Link 0 |
They would have lost by far fewer points than Cork, I'm almost sure of that. Limerick would have beaten any other team in that final, but Cork's performance also has to be questioned.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2039 - 21/09/2021 23:32:22 2382214 Link 0 |