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Personally I would have zero interest in watching Cavan play a Tailteann cup game 97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 323 - 23/09/2021 11:40:40 2382503 Link 0 |
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I had a read of that Article - Leinster would have 3 groups 4 4 & 3 with the top 3 teams from the league getting 2 Leinster semi final spots and the winners of the 2 groups of 4 getting the other spots. Munster and Connaught would be full round robins. To me - better than either proposals but would need to be teased out a bit more as to how it seeds the All Ireland. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 292 - 23/09/2021 11:41:49 2382504 Link 0 |
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Why would have no interest in watching Cavan play in the Tailteann Cup? Do you even watch Cavan play as it is? Cavan is a Tier 2, or even Tier 3 county. Cavan hasn't won an AI since 1952. That's 70 years ago. It was once a great footballing county. It is now a weak footballing county. You should still go watch and support your county, playing at its appropriate level.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1931 - 23/09/2021 12:47:48 2382525 Link 0 |
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Cavan were Ulster Champions last year, do you make Mayo a tier2 or 3 county seeing as Cavan have won the All Ireland more recently than them? How's the USA doing these days? don't think they'll be winning any All Ireland's either. Don't see why you exiles won't put your county allegiance with your username, you can't be that ashamed of where you originate? Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2757 - 23/09/2021 13:43:39 2382542 Link 0 |
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I follow Limerick, my father's county, but I am a yank, through and through. Mayo is a top present day county. Most counties are fine actually. I just don't like when one county totally dominates. Mayo is able to get to AIFs as good as any county and better than the majority, just not able to win them. When was the last time that Cavan even appeared in an AIF, never mind win one? And fair play to you for attaching your allegiance to Donegal! foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1931 - 23/09/2021 14:31:38 2382554 Link 1 |
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Question for you or anybody else from any county with a similar view - would you watch your county play in Division 2, 3 or 4 of the National League? If so, why the difference? i.e. Why would you watch your county in a secondary, tertiary, or whatever the word is for fourth-ary league competition, but you wouldn't watch them in a secondary championship? Anyway, to answer your other question - the advanced mark was one of the playing rules brought in at the 2019 Congress. Playing rules can only be revised every five years. So we're stuck with it for another while. Am not a fan of it myself either. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2254 - 23/09/2021 15:21:39 2382573 Link 0 |
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Yes I love the league, especially the away games travelling around to different counties, and even to games that Cavan aren't involved in. However, the joy and excitement comes from watching the team develop with an eye on championship, seeing new players and styles of play. The actual idea of winning a division 2, 3 or 4 league title does not excite me. Maybe overtime the tailteann cup could gain recognition and prestige, although I struggle to envisage this to be honest. Intercounty football is built on different principles to club football. Prestige, elitism and public recognition are central to intercounty success. Even if intercounty games are competitive, they are doomed to failure without a large public following., ie. standards will drop not improve. Clubs on the other hand will celebrate any form of success from their senior team to their under 12 quiz team. Different principles 97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 323 - 23/09/2021 16:04:30 2382583 Link 1 |
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I wouldn't have the exact same view. But put it this way - if Kildare were in an All Ireland 1/4 final I'd move everything to be there. If they were in the Tailteann cup 1/4 final because they lost out in the early rounds of Leinster it wouldn't have quite the same appeal - I'd probably go if it was in Newbridge. If on the other hand Kildare were relegated into a Tier 2 competition and had to win it to get back out of it - then the Tier 2 coemption becomes a bit more important. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 292 - 23/09/2021 16:28:19 2382595 Link 0 |
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Ugh I don't really like it either. The Ulster competition sounds good. The Munster and Connacht competitions feel really bad. It's bad enough Leitrim or London getting tanked by a Mayo, Galway or Roscommon once a year, does anyone need them each to be done 3 times a year. As with a lot of these proposals they don't address a need to create more meaningful matches for teams. The provincial groups that work well for hurling actually do that and mean they work but it's because the fixtures are fixtures people actually care about. This is another typical example of ideas not being thought through fully. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 23/09/2021 16:37:46 2382599 Link 0 |
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Your own county is opposed to removing provincials. Paul Rouse made a good point. These counties already play games at their own level and it doesn't bring them on. Even a 2 tier structure will still have unbalanced games. Limerick against Waterford and Westmeath against Laois come to mind. Tipp performed better against Kerry than Clare. Provincial groups are fine and the best we'll get because a League based format has been soundly rejected by most counties before the vote even happened. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 23/09/2021 16:53:14 2382601 Link 0 |
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The tiered system works well for inter-county hurling. As a result, we usually don't get hugely lopsided score lines in any of the four grades. It's a blinkered attitude to claim that it wouldn't work for Gaelic football as well. foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1931 - 23/09/2021 17:07:28 2382607 Link 0 |
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Wrong. Offaly in CR. Plenty of lopsided games in Liam. The final being one of them.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 23/09/2021 17:16:34 2382609 Link 0 |
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I think you need to look at this year's hurling finals across grades and reassess that point on lop sided score-lines. Honestly there's loads of them at all levels in the hurling. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 23/09/2021 17:22:37 2382611 Link 2 |
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You can keep provincials and still give teams a better season.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 23/09/2021 18:24:52 2382622 Link 1 |
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Well consider that provincial groups had the most support it seems that the weaker counties are opposed to removing provinces from All-Ireland structure and can take or leave a Tier 2. How do you create a better season around that?
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 23/09/2021 20:03:10 2382638 Link 0 |
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Play the National League in parallel with the Provincials and have both used for seeding the All Ireland. Let's say the All Ireland final is 24th July, you could have the following calendar. Feb 27th NFL round 1 Mar 6th NFL round 2 Mar 13th Provincial Preliminary round Mar 20th Break Mar 27th NFL round 3 April 3rd NFL round 4 April 10th Provincial Quarterfinals April 17th Break April 24th NFL round 5 May 1st NFL round 6 May 8th Provincial semifinals May 15th Break May 22nd NFL round 7 May 29th Provincial finals and AI round 1 June 5th Break June 12th AI round 2 (last 24) June 19th AI round 3 (last 16) June 26th Break July 3rd AI quarterfinals July 10th AI semifinals July 17th Break July 24th AI Final The league is given more importance and given a better placement in the season. 8 teams get byes to AI round 3, Provincial champions and 4 others from league. 16 teams get byes to AI round 2, 8 Provincial finalists plus 8 others from league. I'd seed the quarterfinals too to make sure Provincial champions or top 4 from league can't meet at that stage. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 24/09/2021 07:13:44 2382688 Link 1 |
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They should start the league earlier than Feb 27th. It should start imho, at end January or at latest beginning Feb. It is September now, no intercounty until Feb 27th?????. That is not on. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 24/09/2021 09:10:07 2382690 Link 0 |
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Why, the pitches are rubbish then in February. Let intercounty players have a bit of a breather. Any playing AI club championship would be going right up to the end of December. Gives some breathing space for college football too. Get the league games played in good conditions, maybe get more people following them too as the weather improves. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 24/09/2021 10:13:08 2382704 Link 1 |
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That's a much improved calendar without changing much - mainly the order the games are played and bringing the league into it for seeding. When you outline it like that - there is a lot of time to play a lot of games and the system isn't as broke as everyone says. I can't see the GAA going for it though because it doesn't have new All Ireland groups - and we have to have a group stage in there somewhere apparently. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 292 - 24/09/2021 12:08:07 2382727 Link 0 |
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Yeah I mean for me the qualifiers aren't as bad as some make out. If a team loses twice they don't really deserve to be All Ireland champions any. If a team is from a strong province they have a chance of proving their quality at an All Ireland level. The big problem is the discrepancy in terms of quality and quantity between provinces. 7 of 11 Leinster teams entering round 1 of the qualifiers and 4 rounds away from the All Ireland is tough compared to where Connacht and Munster teams enter. In Connacht there's a guarantee of a weaker side of the draw where a couple of wins against division 4 teams sees a team into an All Ireland round 4. Flattening the All Ireland and reducing the importance of the Provincials goes some way to fixing some of the issues in my mind. The big problem with it is that maybe a team's season being over before June could be a bit early. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 24/09/2021 13:33:42 2382745 Link 1 |