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Is it right that overseas boards had so many votes?listening to reports a lot of them didn't bother..would these votes have helped a yes vote..think today showed provincial councils dont want change and I really don't know how this will change..I also find it strange that it was a secret ballot,is it very possible that counties would change vote due to private ballot..be interesting to see will a mass exodus of players leave the country..they wanted change,now they know what suits think of them.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2206 - 23/10/2021 15:07:13 2386982 Link
OTB asking what the solution is now. They answered their own question last year. [url=]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ceAnfE-AqnI Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 23/10/2021 15:21:20 2386984 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Lads what about the dubs getting 6-7 games at home under this new proposal? dublin should have to play their quarterfinals away from crokepark." Still whinging about Dublin , jesus wept superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 23/10/2021 15:33:39 2386985 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "It just doesn't pass a "does this make sense" test. Honestly I think whatever change we go with for me it has to be one that we can stand behind for years to come. The Premier League is probably the most engaging sporting competition in the world now. It hasn't needed any real change to it's format since 1995. Why? It just makes sense. Honestly that just needs to be the focus. Get a format that makes sense and people will buy into it. I guess my concern would be that sensible thought always gets pushed out by naked self interest when these things are being beaten out." Competitive EPL inequality though when deep pockets can stack the deck - Man City, Chelsea and maybe now, Newcastle. I love the fairytale stories of Leicester as Champions (and Blackburn in the 90s). It's great to see players like Vardy staying loyal. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 23/10/2021 15:41:15 2386986 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Hi SF won the Last election but FF and the blue shirts came together to create the government, I wasn't happy about that but I didn't threaten to strike. It's a shoddy system but it's alls we got." The three each finished around 22% - any 2 of 3 with the Greens are equally legitimate, regardless of one's politics. You might have a stronger argument after the next one ! omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 23/10/2021 15:46:31 2386989 Link
The best I could come up with keeping the provincial set up. Ulster championship could have two groups of 4 and 5 , each county would have four games. Out west it would be one group of five with 4 games each. Munster group of five with 4 games. Leinster could have two groups of six with 5 games each. Top two from each province qualify for last 16. Other eight come from league places. Other 16 left play for second tier championship. Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 23/10/2021 15:49:13 2386990 Link
The provincial council will not agree to any changes that impact on there control not a chance ,I don't understand how there are so many votes over seas it's not as if they compete in the competition so basically it's back to normal weaker counties getting hammered , I can't see many counties playing in Tailtean competition once they get beaten in first round it's off to American, Chanda for summer , Also these votes should not be secret ballot all counties should be accountable to there clubs they are just over paid administrators ,, keep kicking the can down the road sure by 2030 they might have another look at it if they get time ,,,,, by then There be some hammering dished out to the weaker counties Kickitout (Galway) - Posts: 832 - 23/10/2021 15:53:25 2386991 Link
Replying To Rolo2010: "That's not how the electoral system works. Coming first doesn't mean you win it. Most people voted for the parties which formed the government." SF got more 1st preference votes though. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 23/10/2021 15:54:23 2386992 Link
Replying To sponger: "Greed, ignorance, selfishness wins the day." With a Big "I". omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 23/10/2021 15:55:10 2386993 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Hi SF won the Last election but FF and the blue shirts came together to create the government, I wasn't happy about that but I didn't threaten to strike. It's a shoddy system but it's alls we got." You clearly don't understand democracy. SF got 25% of the vote - how did they 'win' the election? 75% didn't vote for them. jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 23/10/2021 15:56:20 2386995 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "SF got more 1st preference votes though." I said that but it doesn't matter. Most people didn't vote for SF and that's why they aren't in government. That's how our system works. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 23/10/2021 16:04:34 2386996 Link
Replying To Byanthon: "The best I could come up with keeping the provincial set up. Ulster championship could have two groups of 4 and 5 , each county would have four games. Out west it would be one group of five with 4 games each. Munster group of five with 4 games. Leinster could have two groups of six with 5 games each. Top two from each province qualify for last 16. Other eight come from league places. Other 16 left play for second tier championship." Where are you getting these numbers from? Where have London gone? Munster has 6 counties. Leinster has 11. KK don't compete. Provincials should be knockout. I don't think anyone wants to watch Kerry put 20 points on 5 counties. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 23/10/2021 16:06:35 2386997 Link
Replying To jimski: "Full of empty space. The attendances at Leinster games pre-pandemic were declining rapidly. They will reduce to a trickle now" Well there was very little attendances at Croke park due to Covid 19. So there will be an increase next year. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 23/10/2021 16:20:06 2386999 Link
Replying To cuttothebone: "A very dark day for gaelic football but with no football championship worth looking at next summer it has been some day for the promotion of hurling! It's an ill wind.." With respect at least there will be full fixtures and hope full houses. In 2020 empty stadia and in 2021, one third full. With limited fixture lists. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 23/10/2021 16:22:26 2387000 Link
Replying To Rebel2020: "Agreed . Its dead in the water." Attendances were decling rapidly, have you any links for this. There were Leinster finals- 44K in 2019, 41K in 2018 and 66K in 2017. Last year there was 18k due to covid 19. So there will be an increase next year. There were no fans in 2020. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 23/10/2021 16:26:55 2387002 Link
AI SFC could adopt streamlined round robin groups for 'two' Provincial SFCs, similar to hurling ? Alongside the crown jewel, Munster SHC group phase, we have a group for the 'Leinster' SHC elite (essentially, the best of the Rest, from the other 3 provinces). Why not try something similar in football ? Say, the '5 highest ranked Ulster teams' in the NFL advance to the Ulster SFC round robin, with the '5 highest ranked non-Ulster' teams participating in the parallel 'Tri-Provinces SFC'. Similar to hurling, the top 3 from each 5-team group could advance to the AI KO after the top 2 in each contest the two 'Provincial' Finals (Ulster & Tri-Provinces). The 22 remaining counties (outside the 'Elite 10'), could participate for the Tier 2 AI SFC - with six 3-team groups and one 4-team group (playing 2v2) - before 3 KO QFs (1 group winner bye). Like hurling, the Tier 2 Champ could contest a Preliminary AI QF in the current year, as well as gain promotion to the 'Tri-Provinces' group for the following year. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 23/10/2021 16:31:06 2387003 Link
Replying To jimski: "A great day for hurling which, lets face it, the Ulster counties have no interest in" Wrong Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2006 - 23/10/2021 16:40:08 2387004 Link
Can you imagine a proposal that said: Let's draw 4 groups with a random number of teams in each from 6 up to 11. Let each group have teams varying in ability from senior to junior A standard, but let some groups have more senior teams than another. The winner of each group goes to quarter finals. The strong teams who don't win groups will get a second chance. The weaker ones won't. The teams who played less matches in the small groups will enter the backdoor at an advanced stage. That's the proposal we've voted in favour of today. Embarrassing. Rebel2020 (Cork) - Posts: 75 - 23/10/2021 16:45:10 2387005 Link
Replying To Rolo2010: "I said that but it doesn't matter. Most people didn't vote for SF and that's why they aren't in government. That's how our system works." Our system works by golden circles quangos and corruption, maybe that's the kind of governance we deserve in this kip, anyway there's no change to the All Ireland Championship, are they getting rid of the super 8's stages? There's no real incentive for weaker counties, ok Ulster is great, suppose 4 or 5 counties have a realistic prospect of winning the Anglo Celt, we get great coverage from the BBC too so at least we have that up here. Connacht is slightly competitive, Munster and Leinster though are foregone conclusions but I'd be hopeful that the new manager Cork have can get them motoring again. I'm disappointed though I'd have liked to see proposal B given a chance, maybe it can come back in a few years with a few tweaks but I wouldn't be too hopeful of us getting anything right on Bull island. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2739 - 23/10/2021 16:46:50 2387006 Link
Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Our system works by golden circles quangos and corruption, maybe that's the kind of governance we deserve in this kip, anyway there's no change to the All Ireland Championship, are they getting rid of the super 8's stages? There's no real incentive for weaker counties, ok Ulster is great, suppose 4 or 5 counties have a realistic prospect of winning the Anglo Celt, we get great coverage from the BBC too so at least we have that up here. Connacht is slightly competitive, Munster and Leinster though are foregone conclusions but I'd be hopeful that the new manager Cork have can get them motoring again. I'm disappointed though I'd have liked to see proposal B given a chance, maybe it can come back in a few years with a few tweaks but I wouldn't be too hopeful of us getting anything right on Bull island." Leave if you think the place is a kip then. No one is forcing you to stay here. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 23/10/2021 17:06:55 2387011 Link