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Pressure will build on Mayo from their own county with the hype, favs tag will weigh heavy on them, this is perfect for Tyrone, everyone will be fancying Mayo to end the 70 year famine and that weight will carry on to the pitch with the players, there's nothing they can do about it,
Tyrone coming in unfancied and hated by the southern media will suit them to the ground.
Everyone's against us is the mentality, Dooher will have them ready, great game in store.
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Looking forward to this game.
The referee will be important. I presume you can't have the same guy referee 2 games in a row for the same team. So maybe David Gough will get the final.
Tyrone will need to fix the kickout strategy. There wasn't enough options for Morgan. That resulted from Kerry's high press but Mayo will have a high press also. Tyrone need to find an answer to that.
Tyrone will also need to match Mayo's energy, physicality and teamwork which we saw in the Dublin game. Easier said than done though.
Matthew Ruane has been excellent in the middle and covering a lot of ground as well. I'd expect Aidan O Shea to have a stormer this time. Ryan O Donoghue has been scoring for fun so maybe Hampsey can try man marking him. With Lee Keegan at the back Tyrone will find it tricky to get any easy scores.
Mayo have usually got the better of Tyrone in Croke Park so hopefully we are due a win against them.
tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 30/08/2021 21:56:12
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Replying To AfricanGael: "You can't beat the All-Ireland favorites and the most successful county in the history of the game and "come in under the radar".
Surely the two semi final results have taught people by now to pay absolutely no heed to the bookies, Tyrone are now genuine favorites to beat Mayo and rightly so.
Anyone who needs to use bookies odds to tell them why one team will win frankly know nothing about Gaelic football.
Tyrone will be at full strength, Mayo will not. Mayo will also struggle to get scores playing against such a defensive set up and will be wide open to the Tyrone counter attacking football so Horan has a hell of a lot more to work on than what Dooher and Logan have.
I honestly believe Mayo would have had a better chance of beating Kerry in a final than beating Tyrone.
As for the talk of Aidan O'Shea starting or not, of course he will start.
I think one of the biggest problems for O'Shea is that some people expect too much from him and are unable to recognize what he contributes to the set up generally and will always focus on his off days or fail to recognize it's not all rosy when you have two or three players hanging out of you.
He doesn't have the pace or a eye for a score of a Fenton, never had, he is not a full forward either but what he has is height and physicality, the ability to win primary possession and set up scores and that's why he will start 100%.
Horan has shown he is not afraid to reel him in if he's having an off day though." The bookies' odds are based on the money placed. It was not the 'opinion' of Paddypower that Kerry would win; more money was placed on Kerry, simply. And, obviously, the bookies' odds are right most of the time; otherwise, they'd be out of business. If your crystal ball is better than the bookies', you must be a rich man.
And, for the record, Mayo are the favourites at 5/6 with Paddypower, while Tyrone are 11/8. So, you should make even more money.
As for Aidan O Shea, it's some time since he made a significant contribution and it's a very long time since he made a scoring contribution - even though he's been playing at 14, or 11, latterly. Whether he starts or not, I don't think he'll make any impact. Tommy Walsh and himself are similar players and are now career-wise in the same place: the legs are gone, they can't move.
Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 345 - 30/08/2021 22:40:14
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Replying To tyroneed: "Looking forward to this game.
The referee will be important. I presume you can't have the same guy referee 2 games in a row for the same team. So maybe David Gough will get the final.
Tyrone will need to fix the kickout strategy. There wasn't enough options for Morgan. That resulted from Kerry's high press but Mayo will have a high press also. Tyrone need to find an answer to that.
Tyrone will also need to match Mayo's energy, physicality and teamwork which we saw in the Dublin game. Easier said than done though.
Matthew Ruane has been excellent in the middle and covering a lot of ground as well. I'd expect Aidan O Shea to have a stormer this time. Ryan O Donoghue has been scoring for fun so maybe Hampsey can try man marking him. With Lee Keegan at the back Tyrone will find it tricky to get any easy scores.
Mayo have usually got the better of Tyrone in Croke Park so hopefully we are due a win against them." Agreed, Kickouts will be a huge focus for Mayo and its where they will make significant gains on Tyrone. Morgans head goes very quickly once he bottles a few kickouts. Mayo's speed up front and direct running will slice through Tyrone like a hot knife through butter and Mayo will score goals, which is another area Tyrone will need to be prepared for.
Kerry relied on OShea and Clifford for scores last weekend, Mayo dont have that reliance they have mulitple lads who can stick it over the bar if needed. If Mayo have any sense they wont start OShea, he was poor against Dublin and shouldnt be started for sentimental reasons.
Keegan getting up the pitch will also be a key battle for Tyrone, i can see Keegan seeing out Conor McKenna using some of the dark arts he's become accustomed to.
There is just too much that Tyrone have to do in terms of freekicks, 45s, kickouts, and having realiable inside scorers for them to pose enough of a threat to this Mayo side, even if they let McCurry go free, he'll fumble it like he did all last weekend
Mayo shoulda, coulda and will win this , but its a question of by how much.
Checking Paddy, he has Mayo at a nice price at of 11/4 (Mayo -4 )
Thats what Bilbo will be backing, even though i expect Mayo to win by even more.
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Replying To tyroneed: "Looking forward to this game.
The referee will be important. I presume you can't have the same guy referee 2 games in a row for the same team. So maybe David Gough will get the final.
Tyrone will need to fix the kickout strategy. There wasn't enough options for Morgan. That resulted from Kerry's high press but Mayo will have a high press also. Tyrone need to find an answer to that.
Tyrone will also need to match Mayo's energy, physicality and teamwork which we saw in the Dublin game. Easier said than done though.
Matthew Ruane has been excellent in the middle and covering a lot of ground as well. I'd expect Aidan O Shea to have a stormer this time. Ryan O Donoghue has been scoring for fun so maybe Hampsey can try man marking him. With Lee Keegan at the back Tyrone will find it tricky to get any easy scores.
Mayo have usually got the better of Tyrone in Croke Park so hopefully we are due a win against them." Aidan O Shea have a stormer in a major match?? Stop smoking that hash my dear neighbour.
border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 919 - 30/08/2021 22:54:26
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "O'Shea is a liability for Mayo imo, Mayo will be built up by the media and the likes of O'Shea will be lapping it up, that seems to be his thing, Tyrone can come in under the radar and upset the whole apple cart and big O'Shea along with it." Rubbish statement, listening to off the ball this morning they are all talking about how good Tyrone are and that they should beat Mayo. Colm o Rourke is going for Tyrone as well. So saying that Tyrone are under the radar is ridiculous.
Unsullied (Mayo) - Posts: 18 - 30/08/2021 23:40:05
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Pressure will build on Mayo from their own county with the hype, favs tag will weigh heavy on them, this is perfect for Tyrone, everyone will be fancying Mayo to end the 70 year famine and that weight will carry on to the pitch with the players, there's nothing they can do about it,
Tyrone coming in unfancied and hated by the southern media will suit them to the ground.
Everyone's against us is the mentality, Dooher will have them ready, great game in store." Its us against them eh, no surrender TirNor
BeJasus (UK) - Posts: 383 - 30/08/2021 23:53:39
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I think Tyrone are going to nick this one.
Rewatching the Dublin game, its fairly evident Dublin were wrecked in the second half, they didn't engage us with any real intensity in the tackle. Tyrone are a different animal in this regard. I feel Tyrone will target early goals, and I can see long balls directed to McShane or Donnelly from throw in. We'll need a sweeper (a bit like 1st half of semi final) and protect the goal at all costs, this though leaves us unable to implement our pressing game.
I personally feel we haven't enough long rage shooters to fire over the dogged Tyrone defence. Tommy and Ryan won't get an inch of the space they got against the Dub's.
I was hoping for Kerry to sneak through as they are a one man show, but "Trone" come at you from all angles and are seriously hard stop. The 2 week break is far better prep than 4 weeks, amy player or s+c guy will tell you that.
Reluctantly, its Tyrone by 4 for me.
Flyingintraining (Mayo) - Posts: 13 - 31/08/2021 00:38:20
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Replying To Saynothing: "Think it'll come down to fitness, Mayo slight favs because of the longer break. Like the Kerry match , the closer it gets the more confident you become." The longer break is a myth especially in a year with no Super 8s / back door system. A lot of experts will tell you the long break didn't work for Kerry. Your S and C coach is under enormous pressure to get the balance right. Tyrone are battle hardened and many will say the short turnaround will suit them. I am not making excuses by the way and I think Mayo will win. Just pointing out a break of a month is generally not a good thing. We will be happy purely because it gives Oisin Mullen a chance.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8456 - 31/08/2021 04:37:22
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In typical Mayo fashion; a county who bring so much drama, sub plots and stories to the GAA world they win the All Ireland, ending the long wait and heartbreak; eventually it is Mayo for Sam......but when they finally win it Sam isn't allowed to travel west with them and the cup must stay in Croke Park and Dublin.
It would be another chapter added to the enigma that is Mayo GAA, a great county who might even enjoy the ironic twist if this is the year.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 31/08/2021 08:16:42
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Any word on how the lifting of COVID restrictions will change capacity/ticket allocation?
sam2008 (Tyrone) - Posts: 799 - 31/08/2021 10:02:19
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Replying To BeJasus: "Meath fans will want a Mayo victory so they can put themselves on the same pedestal as them , and point towards giving Dublin a slight scare.
Dublin fans obviously would like to see a Mayo win giving they were the ones who kept knocking on the door , while the rest of the country were digging up financial conspiracy's theories and population ratio issues to mask their own shortcoming's." .
Perhaps but I was making a jokey reference to who would get the whistle for the final.
Would expect DJ or Gough to be calling it & presuming/hoping either will call it straight.
Deegan, who is rightly famed for his integrity, will hardly be involved after missing the Small/Mcl incident.
timmyhogan (UK) - Posts: 290 - 31/08/2021 11:22:22
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I believe Tyrone should make a slight tweak to their forward line for the final to give Mayo something to think about, far too many of the guys they have there are too samey and McCurry is the only forward/finisher in the truest sense.
Mattie Donnelly and conor mckenna are not good insider and are way better when they come out the field and attack from deep
Id like to see tyrone start mark bradley, i rate him very highly and he would add a bit of guile and movement there up front. The you could still afford to keep mcshane and canavan as gamechangers off the bench
HuddHastings (Longford) - Posts: 144 - 31/08/2021 11:40:38
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Replying To tyroneed: "Looking forward to this game.
The referee will be important. I presume you can't have the same guy referee 2 games in a row for the same team. So maybe David Gough will get the final.
Tyrone will need to fix the kickout strategy. There wasn't enough options for Morgan. That resulted from Kerry's high press but Mayo will have a high press also. Tyrone need to find an answer to that.
Tyrone will also need to match Mayo's energy, physicality and teamwork which we saw in the Dublin game. Easier said than done though.
Matthew Ruane has been excellent in the middle and covering a lot of ground as well. I'd expect Aidan O Shea to have a stormer this time. Ryan O Donoghue has been scoring for fun so maybe Hampsey can try man marking him. With Lee Keegan at the back Tyrone will find it tricky to get any easy scores.
Mayo have usually got the better of Tyrone in Croke Park so hopefully we are due a win against them." .
Tyrone's KO strategy was very interesting against Kerry. They may not fear the Mayo MF as much but it seemed they didn't want to take Kerry on in an old fashioned aerial battle or not often at any rate. Same approach to the Kerry kickouts - no press.
Also they seemed happy to risk losing possession as long as it was wasn't too close to the Tyrone goal - presumably thinking that turnovers would keep them in the game & it worked.
It may sound simplistic but 'better to fight for possession on their 65 and lose it than on our 35' seemed to be the approach much of the time. You need a good defence to make it work and Tyrone have that.
Mayo will press & then...... Will be fascinating.
timmyhogan (UK) - Posts: 290 - 31/08/2021 12:05:28
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Replying To TheFlaker: "The longer break is a myth especially in a year with no Super 8s / back door system. A lot of experts will tell you the long break didn't work for Kerry. Your S and C coach is under enormous pressure to get the balance right. Tyrone are battle hardened and many will say the short turnaround will suit them. I am not making excuses by the way and I think Mayo will win. Just pointing out a break of a month is generally not a good thing. We will be happy purely because it gives Oisin Mullen a chance." Mine is the hurling game only although I go to the odd football game, I have a good insight into in depth training. As far as I know Tyrone requested the game be put back a further week, if the postponement was agreed it would mean Kerry would not have kicked a ball for all of 5 weeks, take the miss match against Cork and its 7 weeks. Kerry sportingly agreed to appease Tyrone with their request, it has to be said covid was central to Tyrone's request, personally I would have agreed myself for the same reason that being covid,
The 5 weeks without a game was way too much, that's not an excuse it's a reason for Kerry's mental laps at crucial time when under physical pressure, I am not going to mention names but there was up to 5 Kerry lads leg weary with sometimes muscle spasms, I believe after the second water break it was all visibly taking it's toll, with some more than others. I am not saying Tyrone would not have won the game without the extra week, in fact I think they would have, Tyrone were tried and tested and they passed their final test against Kerry.
Some poster pointed out that the game was a carbon copy of the Mayo - Dublin, he/she is right about that so Tyrone are going to play Mayo at their own game, as someone said Tyrone are going into the game battle hardened, tried, tested, mentally fit, focused and alert. The extra week off will cause the same upset and unsettle Mayo as it did to Kerry. I really can't see anything other than a 6/7/ or 8 point win for Tyrone. For Mayo people, I hope I'm wrong.
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Replying To sam1884: "In typical Mayo fashion; a county who bring so much drama, sub plots and stories to the GAA world they win the All Ireland, ending the long wait and heartbreak; eventually it is Mayo for Sam......but when they finally win it Sam isn't allowed to travel west with them and the cup must stay in Croke Park and Dublin.
It would be another chapter added to the enigma that is Mayo GAA, a great county who might even enjoy the ironic twist if this is the year." So be it….if we win we will have have to win it again next year ;)
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Replying To Cuhullain: "Mine is the hurling game only although I go to the odd football game, I have a good insight into in depth training. As far as I know Tyrone requested the game be put back a further week, if the postponement was agreed it would mean Kerry would not have kicked a ball for all of 5 weeks, take the miss match against Cork and its 7 weeks. Kerry sportingly agreed to appease Tyrone with their request, it has to be said covid was central to Tyrone's request, personally I would have agreed myself for the same reason that being covid,
The 5 weeks without a game was way too much, that's not an excuse it's a reason for Kerry's mental laps at crucial time when under physical pressure, I am not going to mention names but there was up to 5 Kerry lads leg weary with sometimes muscle spasms, I believe after the second water break it was all visibly taking it's toll, with some more than others. I am not saying Tyrone would not have won the game without the extra week, in fact I think they would have, Tyrone were tried and tested and they passed their final test against Kerry.
Some poster pointed out that the game was a carbon copy of the Mayo - Dublin, he/she is right about that so Tyrone are going to play Mayo at their own game, as someone said Tyrone are going into the game battle hardened, tried, tested, mentally fit, focused and alert. The extra week off will cause the same upset and unsettle Mayo as it did to Kerry. I really can't see anything other than a 6/7/ or 8 point win for Tyrone. For Mayo people, I hope I'm wrong." I can tell you now Mayo will not be losing a game by 6-8 points. The one big difference is that I can confidently say Mayo have the best S and C set up in the country. Even Kerry tried to poach him in 2019 when Donie Buckley left as well. Mayo will have no issues fitness wise.
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Replying To TheFlaker: "I can tell you now Mayo will not be losing a game by 6-8 points. The one big difference is that I can confidently say Mayo have the best S and C set up in the country. Even Kerry tried to poach him in 2019 when Donie Buckley left as well. Mayo will have no issues fitness wise." who is Mayos S&C guy these days? is it still solan, whoever it is he is earning his corn that is the main reason they are always thereabouts
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'I really can't see anything other than a 6/7/ or 8 point win for Tyrone'
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'i really can't see anything other than' yeah mate it might have to do with your football knowledge
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