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Mayo V Tyrone All-Ireland Football Final

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Replying To mickcunningham:  "i think the semi final s will have two affects . on mayo they may feel as though they have won their all ireland after beating dublin while dooher and logan will bring tyrone down to earth quickly , tyrone were much better than kerry and will be hard to beat . but mayo wont be a pushover"
You think Mayo might feel they have their All Ireland one even though they have lost 5 in the last 10 years including one last year which a lot of the current group were involved in. This is not a mentally weak Mayo side. If they were they wouldn't be in the final again.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8456 - 30/08/2021 09:53:10    2376275

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Hard one to call. If Mayo leave O'Shea on the line they have the upper hand. They're not bringing as much baggage to this game as previous years and the younger lads who have taken over seem a lot more reliable under pressure. I always feel the goalie has a clanger in him though.

Tyrone will relish going in as underdogs. All of the pre match talk will be about Mayo and the 70 years nonsense. This will suit Tyrone coming in under the radar. The management and psychologists will have the players believing that the whole country is for Mayo and against them. They will have a real going to war attitude and psyche about them.

I wouldn't begrudge either success on the day.

Going to go for Tyrone by 2.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 30/08/2021 10:12:32    2376281

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Tyrone to win this for me. If Morgan has a solid day and doesn't have the brain farts we saw him have on Saturday then I feel they have that bit more quality and experience to see them over the line.

I couldn't help but feel after their win over Dublin that the Mayo celebrations had the feel of a final about it. Of course it was a huge win and a massive scalp to take and perfectly entitled to celebrate but I'd have liked to have seen Horan get them in after 10 mins, regroup and set the tone of "job done..one to go" kind of thing. Instead it was hugs for spectators from players and management and O'Hora shedding a tear in his post match interview etc. I'm not knocking this but felt it should have been tapered a bit to set the tone going forward. It reminded me of the drawn final in 2016 with Andy Moran giving a post match interview and you'd have been forgiven for thinking they were after winning. This is all easy to say and of course the emotions of a big win can just take over and maybe I'm being overly critical here but just have a feeling their final has been played.

TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 287 - 30/08/2021 10:13:07    2376282

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Replying To martinjoe:  "I might be alone but I thought Kerry the better team on Saturday. They got more scores, have several ref calls go against them, and had one of these days when everything went against them especially with the goal chances. Morgan landed a once in a decade free which in the end was the difference. Tyorne were well on top in the rough and tumble end of things yet again but I cannot see that happening v the new Mayo. I expect David Gough to ref the final and he will be much sharper in dealing with off the ball fouls, verbals and more."
Didn't think any call went against kerry. There was a clear hand trip on a tyrone player mid way through the first half, nothing given. Clifford ran through the back of Meyler, no card shown. Moments before tyrones goal mcgeary was taken out after he offloaded the ball, again nothing given, it actually worked out in their favour thankfully.

Gough is a decent ref. If we are talking about off the ball antics keegan had better be on best behaviour then lol

TYE08 (Tyrone) - Posts: 93 - 30/08/2021 10:18:57    2376284

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If Tyrone make as many mistakes with the kick outs they will be in serious trouble, it was a strange game with Kerry with all the turnovers and it took on a life of it's own, Kerry were tactically a bit clueless, who would have thought that from the aristocrats of Gaelic football?
I don't think Mayo have had a better chance to end the famine, 4 weeks rest and a chance for any niggles to recover, it will take Tyrone a week to get down from the buzz of beating Kerry,
Great final in prospect, Mayo are the favs no doubt and southern media and pundits will do no favours for Tyrone.
Getting a ref who will give a northern team a fair chance will be vital for Tyrone, Mayo are the wee darlings of the southern establishment, can they break the curse of '51? hope Tyrone can send back over the Shannon with nothing again.
Think this is Mayo's 13th final in a row having failed to win the previous 12.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3293 - 30/08/2021 10:29:54    2376290

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Replying To martinjoe:  "I might be alone but I thought Kerry the better team on Saturday. They got more scores, have several ref calls go against them, and had one of these days when everything went against them especially with the goal chances. Morgan landed a once in a decade free which in the end was the difference. Tyorne were well on top in the rough and tumble end of things yet again but I cannot see that happening v the new Mayo. I expect David Gough to ref the final and he will be much sharper in dealing with off the ball fouls, verbals and more."
Good maybe someone will have the balls to send off keegan for his antics year on year

conman1282 (Tyrone) - Posts: 88 - 30/08/2021 10:35:23    2376294

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Replying To TrimJim:  "Why can't both of them lose? Think I will take a break until next spring"
Or just forever

conman1282 (Tyrone) - Posts: 88 - 30/08/2021 10:37:12    2376295

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Replying To Commodore:  "Based on the amount of mistakes both Kerry and Tyrone made on Saturday, I didn't think the performance of either side would have been sufficient to beat Dublin. Tyrone's long kick-outs were dominated by Kerry for long periods, yet Kerry couldn't put that to good use and still should have been beat in normal time despite Tyrone being a man down for 20 mins and hitting a load of wides.

Mayo were superb against Dublin, they seem to have got the right blend of players and a more balanced system of play. I think Tyrone are facing the battle of a lifetime, they need to make significant improvements if they are to beat this Mayo team."
Mayo were shocking in the first half against Dublin only Dublin couldnt capatilise.

conman1282 (Tyrone) - Posts: 88 - 30/08/2021 10:39:30    2376297

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Replying To conman1282:  "Mayo were shocking in the first half against Dublin only Dublin couldnt capatilise."
Kerry were also shocking and if they had taken their points instead of trying to work goal chances they would have been out the gate. And also the open goal they absolutely butchered. I do enjoy the narrative on here. Dublin were shocking but Tyrone were brilliant not that Kerry were also poor.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8456 - 30/08/2021 10:47:40    2376302

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "If Tyrone make as many mistakes with the kick outs they will be in serious trouble, it was a strange game with Kerry with all the turnovers and it took on a life of it's own, Kerry were tactically a bit clueless, who would have thought that from the aristocrats of Gaelic football?
I don't think Mayo have had a better chance to end the famine, 4 weeks rest and a chance for any niggles to recover, it will take Tyrone a week to get down from the buzz of beating Kerry,
Great final in prospect, Mayo are the favs no doubt and southern media and pundits will do no favours for Tyrone.
Getting a ref who will give a northern team a fair chance will be vital for Tyrone, Mayo are the wee darlings of the southern establishment, can they break the curse of '51? hope Tyrone can send back over the Shannon with nothing again.
Think this is Mayo's 13th final in a row having failed to win the previous 12."
The southern media? What have you against journalists in Munster?

kick-it (Leitrim) - Posts: 33 - 30/08/2021 10:54:40    2376307

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Replying To daytona11:  "Hard one to call. If Mayo leave O'Shea on the line they have the upper hand. They're not bringing as much baggage to this game as previous years and the younger lads who have taken over seem a lot more reliable under pressure. I always feel the goalie has a clanger in him though.

Tyrone will relish going in as underdogs. All of the pre match talk will be about Mayo and the 70 years nonsense. This will suit Tyrone coming in under the radar. The management and psychologists will have the players believing that the whole country is for Mayo and against them. They will have a real going to war attitude and psyche about them.

I wouldn't begrudge either success on the day.

Going to go for Tyrone by 2."
O Shea will start, and Horan will get a reaction from him, otherwise he will be sitting on the sideline early. Mayo are favourites, but just about as the bookies will tell you and you will have as many people backing Tyrone as you will have backing Mayo. But Tyrone are not under the radar, how can anyone say that?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8456 - 30/08/2021 10:55:02    2376308

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Not really relevant to this thread, and I'm looking a bit into the future, but what a championship 2022 should be!

You'll have Mayo/Tyrone - the all Ireland Champions
Dublin desperate to reclaim the title.
Kerry possibly under new management absolutely ravenous to end their AI Famine.
Teams like Donegal, Monaghan, Armagh, Derry, Meath, Kildare, Cork, Galway all have potential and will be seeking to challenge the top teams.

For this year's final it is so hard to call. You couldn't say that either team have no flaws. Tyrone's kick outs were poor yesterday & mayo's first half performance against Dublin would be very concerning to their supporters. Both teams will obviously fancy their chances and it could come down to which team remains the more composed and limits unnecessary mistakes.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9843 - 30/08/2021 11:03:17    2376312

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "O Shea will start, and Horan will get a reaction from him, otherwise he will be sitting on the sideline early. Mayo are favourites, but just about as the bookies will tell you and you will have as many people backing Tyrone as you will have backing Mayo. But Tyrone are not under the radar, how can anyone say that?"
O'Shea is a liability for Mayo imo, Mayo will be built up by the media and the likes of O'Shea will be lapping it up, that seems to be his thing, Tyrone can come in under the radar and upset the whole apple cart and big O'Shea along with it.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3293 - 30/08/2021 11:16:28    2376316

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I think Mayo will win by 3 points in a great game

Meath10 (Meath) - Posts: 201 - 30/08/2021 11:25:40    2376320

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "O'Shea is a liability for Mayo imo, Mayo will be built up by the media and the likes of O'Shea will be lapping it up, that seems to be his thing, Tyrone can come in under the radar and upset the whole apple cart and big O'Shea along with it."
How are Tyrone under the radar after winning Ulster and beating Kerry in a semi final? Laughable statement.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8456 - 30/08/2021 11:29:56    2376321

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Tyrone needed those goals to beat Kerry but they might get nothing from that Mayo D.
Mayo to finally get over the line. They deserve it.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1753 - 30/08/2021 11:30:03    2376322

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Not really relevant to this thread, and I'm looking a bit into the future, but what a championship 2022 should be!

You'll have Mayo/Tyrone - the all Ireland Champions
Dublin desperate to reclaim the title.
Kerry possibly under new management absolutely ravenous to end their AI Famine.
Teams like Donegal, Monaghan, Armagh, Derry, Meath, Kildare, Cork, Galway all have potential and will be seeking to challenge the top teams.

For this year's final it is so hard to call. You couldn't say that either team have no flaws. Tyrone's kick outs were poor yesterday & mayo's first half performance against Dublin would be very concerning to their supporters. Both teams will obviously fancy their chances and it could come down to which team remains the more composed and limits unnecessary mistakes."
Yes, for the 1st time in ages I have no idea who'll win in '22.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8795 - 30/08/2021 11:36:02    2376324

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "O Shea will start, and Horan will get a reaction from him, otherwise he will be sitting on the sideline early. Mayo are favourites, but just about as the bookies will tell you and you will have as many people backing Tyrone as you will have backing Mayo. But Tyrone are not under the radar, how can anyone say that?"
A certain amount of the Mayo squad love the spotlight and the media frenzy that comes pre match and post match losses. They thrive on it and being poster boys for hard luck stories. A lot of the previous Mayo teams who have thrived on the same failures and media hype have now retied. The youngsters in the team now don't seem to be buying into that as of yet. A lot to do with James Horan I would think and his back room team. I'd imagine the hype is starting now though an as I have said all of the talk will be about Mayo and their previous losses and when they will get over the line. We will hear all about the previous heartache. Former players will be rolled out and all the jazz.

They have also beaten a Dublin side which were going for seven in a row. They look like a different animal this year but selection on the day will be crucial. I'm not really sure what Aidan O'Shea would give you against Tyrone.

That's why I think Tyrone will be coming in under the radar. There won't be huge talk about them and members of their squad won't have the same baggage coming into the game.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 30/08/2021 11:43:09    2376326

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I think Mayo have their best chance ever. Tyrone put in a massive performance against Kerry and it'll be nip and tuck in the final. However, I struggle to see the Mayo backs coughing up goals like that and the turnover count will hardly be as high against this Mayo outfit. McKenna, Donnelly, McCurry, McShane and Canavan will have a tougher time of it against Mayo imo. As will Kennedy and Kilpatrick in midfield. Force Morgan long, shackle Meyler and bypass O'Neills sweeping are some of the areas that I think Horan will do a lot of work on nailing ahead of the final. Best of luck to our neighbours and arch rivals - time for yer day in the sun, lads. Just go up and win the damn thing.

togoutlads (Galway) - Posts: 1078 - 30/08/2021 11:49:35    2376330

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Not really relevant to this thread, and I'm looking a bit into the future, but what a championship 2022 should be!

You'll have Mayo/Tyrone - the all Ireland Champions
Dublin desperate to reclaim the title.
Kerry possibly under new management absolutely ravenous to end their AI Famine.
Teams like Donegal, Monaghan, Armagh, Derry, Meath, Kildare, Cork, Galway all have potential and will be seeking to challenge the top teams.

For this year's final it is so hard to call. You couldn't say that either team have no flaws. Tyrone's kick outs were poor yesterday & mayo's first half performance against Dublin would be very concerning to their supporters. Both teams will obviously fancy their chances and it could come down to which team remains the more composed and limits unnecessary mistakes."
The likes of Cork have no chance of winning or for several next year, need a new management team. Have good underage teams, but have had really good underage teams the last 10 years and done nothing. Kildare also are nowhere near challenging, Meath are improving but a bit away. Armagh probably need a better defence and some man markers, or need to get a better defensive structure in place to challenge. Derry have a lot of good players and could cause a shock in Ulster in the coming years. Both Donegal and Monaghan will take something from Tyrone getting to the All Ireland and winning as they are never far away from Tyrone. Galway just seem to be lacking something it's hard to pinpoint the likes of Conroy, Comer and Walsh are serious and the likes of Cooke and Tierney are also very good. If they can get the likes of Cillian McDaid, Micheál and John Daly, Adrian Varley and Ian Burke back they will add depth back into their squad.
I think both Tyrone and Mayo play a fairly similar type of game, and are strong at the running game, very good backs and man markers, also have some neat and lively forwards. Both overall I think Tyrone might shade it, Mayo I think for some reason would have preferred Kerry as they would have been able to do something similar to them that Tyrone done.

CartaDubh (Clare) - Posts: 58 - 30/08/2021 11:52:27    2376333

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