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Same old lazy rubbish about Tyrone playing defensive football and developing conspiracies
mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 03/09/2021 18:43:12 2377628 Link 1 |
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Galway 9/13 [-4] Cork 7/16 [-9] Mayo 3/14 [-11] Tyrone 3/3 [0]"]Tyrone lost senior All Ireland football Finals in 1986 and in 2018."]Tyrone also of course lost the 1995 Final so you are correct. Interesting statistics. Mayo have a terrible record in All Ireland Finals. Galway hurlers have lost 20 out of 25 All Ireland senior finals."]I don't think comparing Galway's dismal record in hurling to their record in football is valid. In Connacht, the footballers had stiff competition from both Mayo and Roscommon for years whilst the hurlers had none. Kerry complained this year that the 5 week wait hampered their preparation for the Tyrone game but the Galway hurlers, for years, had to wait 8 weeks or more with no championship game as preparation for an All Ireland Semi-final. The system in the hurling was totally unfair to both Antrim and Galway."]Oh sweet lord... mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 03/09/2021 18:47:27 2377631 Link 0 |
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Galway 9/13 [-4] Cork 7/16 [-9] Mayo 3/14 [-11] Tyrone 3/3 [0]"]Tyrone lost senior All Ireland football Finals in 1986 and in 2018."]Tyrone also of course lost the 1995 Final so you are correct. Interesting statistics. Mayo have a terrible record in All Ireland Finals. Galway hurlers have lost 20 out of 25 All Ireland senior finals."]I don't think comparing Galway's dismal record in hurling to their record in football is valid. In Connacht, the footballers had stiff competition from both Mayo and Roscommon for years whilst the hurlers had none. Kerry complained this year that the 5 week wait hampered their preparation for the Tyrone game but the Galway hurlers, for years, had to wait 8 weeks or more with no championship game as preparation for an All Ireland Semi-final. The system in the hurling was totally unfair to both Antrim and Galway."]Oh sweet lord... mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 03/09/2021 18:47:39 2377632 Link 0 |
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Mayo have won a few games in recent years in Omagh too. Your referencing a league game 18 months ago. Look at what Kerry did to Tyrone about in Killarney this year…enough said.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11665 - 03/09/2021 19:02:08 2377637 Link 4 |
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How true, seen what happened since Tyrone's last league match with Kerry. All Ireland final, a whole different ball game. Mayo have had the better of Tyrone in Croke Park for a while now so they'll fancy themselves. Enjoy the buildup to match.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2356 - 03/09/2021 19:23:37 2377639 Link 3 |
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Both teams will fancy it for sure!
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8457 - 03/09/2021 19:48:15 2377643 Link 4 |
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A lot will depend on the Ref on the day, if Joe applied the rules , then Mayo will win but if Tyrone get away with the tactics they used against Kerry they will grind out a victory. Example playing on the edge with fouls, pulling and dragging and hitting off the ball and faking injuries when down a man with black cards to eat up the time. Ref let most of these tactics go unpunished against Kerry. jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 486 - 03/09/2021 21:00:59 2377657 Link 2 |
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Dry your eyes. What do ye want, a mini foul for nearly fouls, what pulling and dragging, faking injuries, Mc Cann had to go off after collision and Tyrone can't take the blame for Clifford being down during the black card. There were late tackles from Kerry too not just Tyrone. Tactics my
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2356 - 03/09/2021 21:12:17 2377659 Link 3 |
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Theres always one isnt there
Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 929 - 03/09/2021 21:43:36 2377665 Link 2 |
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Ironic you should mention McCann and faking injuries in the same sentence. Don't ruffle his hair whatever you do. link AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 03/09/2021 21:52:53 2377668 Link 5 |
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Tyrone beat us in the 2018 league as well, a result which almost relegated us. In fact they almost always beat us in castlebar, while we nearly always win in Omagh. Are you really drawing conclusions off league games after last weekend's semi final?
MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 477 - 03/09/2021 22:25:31 2377671 Link 0 |
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To be clear, the majority of Tyrone's second black card time was eaten up with David Clifford's cramp. Unless we are suggesting he is a deep Tyrone double agent, we can get back to thinking Tyrone won the semi final despite repeated black cards and not because of them. tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 03/09/2021 22:26:59 2377672 Link 2 |
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Roscommon and Galway regularly beat us at home. Our record at home in recent years is awful. Hopefully the new pitch will change that next year ;). Tyrone don't need to look to a league game to find belief. Tyrone are a fine team and will be fully excepting to beat Mayo.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11665 - 03/09/2021 22:45:57 2377677 Link 3 |
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Mayo will win if they're good enough. It will be Tyrone if they're not. Any team worth their salt knows that their destiny is in their own hands, and don't go into a game, only half-focused; if the ref does this, or the ref doesn't do that… That's a lamentable, loser attitude to have. Btw, the Tyrone-Kerry game was an enthralling, manly encounter, with quite an amount of human error, but not a dirty blow struck. It was a very clean game. Watch it again. Perhaps this time with the slow-motion button on! foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2322 - 04/09/2021 01:55:36 2377696 Link 0 |
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Not Roscommon, Galway have beaten us regularly in MacHale alright. Rossies have one competitive win in 30 years.
Flyingintraining (Mayo) - Posts: 13 - 04/09/2021 09:20:29 2377708 Link 2 |
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To appoint a referee from any of the other 3 province was the way to go, as the stakes and the risks are too high to justify J Mc Quillan an Ulster referee.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3200 - 04/09/2021 09:59:27 2377713 Link 0 |
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. "Don't get this same province business. Gough reffed two big Dublin Kerry games 16 & 19 (very differently as it happens) and he's from Meath & lives in Dublin. Deegan reffed Mayo Dublin and he's from Laois. DJ is called that for a reason despite being from Cavan. Etc etc And Cormac Reilly isn't from Munster but would any grown ups say he didn't decide the outcome of the Mayo Kerry replay in 14" I posted on this earlier (see above) but let's take a logical approach to your argument. You are clear that there exists a potential (or perhaps evidence) for bias in GAA refs. Some of us may well agree with you! In some cases. However your solution is to appoint refs from outside the competing provinces. Why should that remove this bias. What evidence is there for this assertion; That geography cures the blackest of souls!! Do you honestly think Mayo Co Board would accept Cormac Reilly for the final - if he was still on the panel. As a historical curiosity Reilly has reffed Mayo Tyrone in the champo, back in 2008. The year that Tyrone beat Kerry in the 'game of the decade'. In the Qualifiers however Tyrone had a scare, beating Mayo by 1 pt. Late on in that game Micheal Jackson evaded a last man tackle/foul and was through on goal but the bould Cormac whistled when he was clear and Mayo made do with the pointed free and lost by a point. Now I don't claim that Mayo would have necessarily won the match (tight margins though) never mind threaten Sam that year. But Reilly didn't do Kerry any favours that time ;-) timmyhogan (UK) - Posts: 290 - 04/09/2021 12:10:22 2377729 Link 0 |
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Indeed, but not just lazy, there's a kind of paranoia at work here too, and it stems from a partitionist prejudice which very easily views Tyrone folk, and Northerners in general (and I'm including Donegal here!), as "different", "lesser", "not to be trusted" etc. I guess people are innately tribal. There was that famous experiment where researchers took a group of students who had previously been on good terms with each other, give half of them red coats and half of them blue coats, and in a day or so, they mostly hated each other. Partition has had that effect.
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 04/09/2021 12:54:31 2377731 Link 0 |
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Did ye learn nothing at school? 4 provinces so maybe a ref from the other 2.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2356 - 04/09/2021 13:07:54 2377736 Link 2 |
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It's Tyrone you're talking about here! We have no friends in refereeing circles or in high places generally. Everybody resents us, even our neighbours in the North. You're forgetting that Cavan is in the political South. Apart maybe from one or two folks in Galway, everyone from the 26 would prefer to see Tyrone lose; and you're in complete denial if you try to claim otherwise. And nobody from Tyrone complained about a Munster referee in 1986. I guess you don't know too much about McQuillan either. I've watched him on numerous occasions down the years, and he has never once gave us a break. His display v Tyrone when we were playing Kerry in 2015 was depressing. Mayo played Fermanagh in 2016, and Joe McQ favoured the non-Ulster team throughout. My heart sank when I heard he'd been appointed. Ulster sides playing a team from any other province should insist on not being refereed by an official from Ulster. That referee will normally do the Ulster side no favours and will go out of their way to show they are not being biased. Tyrone will be playing on eggshells. The entire country wants to see Mayo win this. No ref, and certainly not mcQuillan, will be immune from that general bias. Straight up, I'm dreading what the ref will do in this final.
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 04/09/2021 13:19:10 2377740 Link 3 |