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Would The Gaels Be Cavans Greatest Club In Past 20 Years

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Tomsmith here

In conversation with a fellow expert ( Not in the Imperial this time) the question came up about Cavan's greatest Club in the past 20 years.
Many clubs were mentioned , like Shannon Gaels, like Ballinagh, like Kingscourt and indeed a whole load of junior Clubs that have done trojan work on the field and off the field in development on playing surfaces and new Club houses. Like Lacken, and our near neighbours Drumalee. But it was felt that overall Cavan Gaels has stood out . My fellow expert who is strictly not a Gaels supporter feels that it would be an ideal topic for a Poll
What do you think or have we missed out on the Gownas, Laragh, Redhills, Arvas

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3405 - 05/08/2021 15:10:41    2367974

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here

In conversation with a fellow expert ( Not in the Imperial this time) the question came up about Cavan's greatest Club in the past 20 years.
Many clubs were mentioned , like Shannon Gaels, like Ballinagh, like Kingscourt and indeed a whole load of junior Clubs that have done trojan work on the field and off the field in development on playing surfaces and new Club houses. Like Lacken, and our near neighbours Drumalee. But it was felt that overall Cavan Gaels has stood out . My fellow expert who is strictly not a Gaels supporter feels that it would be an ideal topic for a Poll
What do you think or have we missed out on the Gownas, Laragh, Redhills, Arvas"
Sorry Tom. 3/10 for that.

thegadfly (Cavan) - Posts: 285 - 07/08/2021 22:35:00    2368665

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Tomsmith here

Gadfly if you only give the Gaels 3 out of the top 10 Cavan Clubs I am afeared that you are mistaken.. I feel the Gaels are like Eire Og in Carlow..... I think that the Gaels let other Clubs win a few just to make football look good in Cavan Haha,, Back to reality the Gaels have been to the forefront of all things good in Cavan football. With a impeccable record on the football field ....( other than a few time caught retaliating)... the Gaels have been a sporting example to all

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3405 - 09/08/2021 10:46:28    2369036

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here

Gadfly if you only give the Gaels 3 out of the top 10 Cavan Clubs I am afeared that you are mistaken.. I feel the Gaels are like Eire Og in Carlow..... I think that the Gaels let other Clubs win a few just to make football look good in Cavan Haha,, Back to reality the Gaels have been to the forefront of all things good in Cavan football. With a impeccable record on the football field ....( other than a few time caught retaliating)... the Gaels have been a sporting example to all"
Tom in the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king. Tell me how many games have Cavan Gaels won in the Ulster club championship down the years - the answer will tell you how good the Gaels have been.
Declankillann.

declankillann (Dublin) - Posts: 83 - 09/08/2021 14:54:13    2369136

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What's done is done look to the future try and field Reserve and Under 20 Teams it is a total disgrace that the largest club in Cavan is in total disarray. Where have all the Gaels players gone?
Killygarry, The Bridge, Drumalee, Mountnugent, Cuchulainns etc. etc.? Or just quitters

Breffnisbest (Cavan) - Posts: 461 - 09/08/2021 17:27:44    2369217

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Replying To Breffnisbest:  "What's done is done look to the future try and field Reserve and Under 20 Teams it is a total disgrace that the largest club in Cavan is in total disarray. Where have all the Gaels players gone?
Killygarry, The Bridge, Drumalee, Mountnugent, Cuchulainns etc. etc.? Or just quitters"
Tom in your post of 05/08 you claim to be an expert - could you please state your field of expertise.
Declankillann.

declankillann (Dublin) - Posts: 83 - 13/08/2021 17:00:20    2370494

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Replying To declankillann:  "
Replying To Breffnisbest:  "What's done is done look to the future try and field Reserve and Under 20 Teams it is a total disgrace that the largest club in Cavan is in total disarray. Where have all the Gaels players gone?
Killygarry, The Bridge, Drumalee, Mountnugent, Cuchulainns etc. etc.? Or just quitters"
Tom in your post of 05/08 you claim to be an expert - could you please state your field of expertise.
Declankillann."
Declan

Tomsmith here..

My unproven field of expertise would be in the following
No1 Recognising a good and valued Cavan Gaa player... If you followed my posts in the past I discovered David Givney who give valued service to Cavan Gaa ovr the years. From the first time I saw him play I knew he was County material and I posted that up here/
No2 I am not afraid to point the way forward in relation to Divisional teams
No3 A road map for coaching I have posted publicly in another post

So David mull over these and I rest my case

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3405 - 19/08/2021 11:48:15    2372998

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you should try knitting TOM great way to pass the time

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 189 - 20/08/2021 11:01:03    2373280

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "you should try knitting TOM great way to pass the time"
breffniblue and white
Tomsmith here from Cavan Gaels Cavan greatest club in thepast 20 years..

I take what you say breffniblue and white with a pinch of salt.
I dont know what club you belong too or who you support , but I have no problem in saying I am a Gaels man and proud of it . I feel that a lot of Country bumkins look down on the Gaels . I know yes I know the Gaels have in the past have had ( and rightly so ) a superiority complex but I feel that the Gaels will be Cavan greatest club in the next 20 years

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3405 - 21/08/2021 21:27:36    2373711

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Calling Tom Smith….

Tom, a chara, I see from a quick read that Cavan Gaels were formed in 1957 and have won a rake of titles between 2001-2017. This unnatural dominance is not good for a county team (Armagh/Crossmaglen)
I know that your first and foremost a Cavan man so would you see any merit in splitting Cavan Gaels into two separate clubs in much the same fashion as they were in the glory days of the Breffni Blues…..

Boxtyeater (Leitrim) - Posts: 664 - 22/08/2021 21:49:52    2373994

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Replying To Boxtyeater:  "Calling Tom Smith….

Tom, a chara, I see from a quick read that Cavan Gaels were formed in 1957 and have won a rake of titles between 2001-2017. This unnatural dominance is not good for a county team (Armagh/Crossmaglen)
I know that your first and foremost a Cavan man so would you see any merit in splitting Cavan Gaels into two separate clubs in much the same fashion as they were in the glory days of the Breffni Blues….."
Naw Naw Boxtyeater,

Tomsmith here..
I see you are from away over in co Leitrim, and you probally dont get the Celt every week,, But Cavan Town is already split with teams,, You have Drumalee right in Cavan Town on the Cootehill Rd.. You have Butlers Bridge, Ballyhaise, Killygarry , Denn and Bellanagh all within say 2/3 miles of the middle of theTown,,.. You are right the Gaels have won a rake of Championships but sure what can the Gaels do ,, Dont blame the Gaels who keep winning ..blame the poor opposition

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3405 - 26/08/2021 00:56:12    2374830

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Naw Naw Boxtyeater,

Tomsmith here..
I see you are from away over in co Leitrim, and you probally dont get the Celt every week,, But Cavan Town is already split with teams,, You have Drumalee right in Cavan Town on the Cootehill Rd.. You have Butlers Bridge, Ballyhaise, Killygarry , Denn and Bellanagh all within say 2/3 miles of the middle of theTown,,.. You are right the Gaels have won a rake of Championships but sure what can the Gaels do ,, Dont blame the Gaels who keep winning ..blame the poor opposition"
And that's supposed to be good for the county team it's little wonder no Cavan senior club team do very well in Ulster club championship

[email protected] (Cavan) - Posts: 111 - 27/08/2021 08:18:08    2375140

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Tomsmith here

I know I know the Gaels have not won any Ulster Club titles, but I feel that is due to the poor opposition in Cavan over the years

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3405 - 17/09/2021 09:34:43    2381247

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Naw Naw Boxtyeater,

Tomsmith here..
I see you are from away over in co Leitrim, and you probally dont get the Celt every week,, But Cavan Town is already split with teams,, You have Drumalee right in Cavan Town on the Cootehill Rd.. You have Butlers Bridge, Ballyhaise, Killygarry , Denn and Bellanagh all within say 2/3 miles of the middle of theTown,,.. You are right the Gaels have won a rake of Championships but sure what can the Gaels do ,, Dont blame the Gaels who keep winning ..blame the poor opposition"
I am not from Cavan but do know Cavan fairly well. I agree with some of your points but the say Cavan town is within 2/3 miles from Butlers Bridge, Ballyhaise, Denn and Bellanagh, is crazy. Butlers Bridge 11Km, Ballyhaise 12km, Denn 10km and Bellanagh 9km from Cavan town centre.
But I don't agree with splitting clubs, its a cop out for teams who cant get to the same level. And even for people to say Gaels aren't Cavan's greatest because they haven't won Ulster is also crazy. You are calling them Cavan's greatest not Ulster's Greatest. They have won 10 in the last 20 years I think. no 1 else have won more that 2 so its a no brainer that in the last 20 years Cavan Gaels are Cavan's best team but ya cant be surprised that your rivals find that hard to accept.

Longfordgaamad (Longford) - Posts: 12 - 17/09/2021 10:37:43    2381265

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here

In conversation with a fellow expert ( Not in the Imperial this time) the question came up about Cavan's greatest Club in the past 20 years.
Many clubs were mentioned , like Shannon Gaels, like Ballinagh, like Kingscourt and indeed a whole load of junior Clubs that have done trojan work on the field and off the field in development on playing surfaces and new Club houses. Like Lacken, and our near neighbours Drumalee. But it was felt that overall Cavan Gaels has stood out . My fellow expert who is strictly not a Gaels supporter feels that it would be an ideal topic for a Poll
What do you think or have we missed out on the Gownas, Laragh, Redhills, Arvas"
Tomsmith, Brian here

In reply to your point, the gaels would be nothing without all these expensive imports into the club over the years.They have the most of Cavan town and still needed imports like Lyng, Johnson (kildare he was from was it) and lately McKiernan and they never do anything outside of the county.

Imagine having every advantage in the book and still failing....

In The Land of The Blind, The One Eyed Man is King.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1730 - 30/09/2021 14:29:45    2383757

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Replying To brian:  "Tomsmith, Brian here

In reply to your point, the gaels would be nothing without all these expensive imports into the club over the years.They have the most of Cavan town and still needed imports like Lyng, Johnson (kildare he was from was it) and lately McKiernan and they never do anything outside of the county.

Imagine having every advantage in the book and still failing....

In The Land of The Blind, The One Eyed Man is King."
Brian from County Meath

Tomsmith here who supports Cavan Gaels
Brian while I take your point that Cavan Gaels have not done very well outside Cavan, but that is a reflection on the opposition that the famous Gaels Club is faced with year in year out. If the Gaels had one other very strong club ( like the Gaels) in the County of Cavan then the Gaels would go out into Ulster far better prepared and a much better prepared club than saw Cross were.. I take your point about a few of the player who wanted to transfer to the Gaels being let into the Club.. But I will say that if everyone that wanted to transfer to the Gaels were let into the Club sure you would have no local Cavan Town players at all. .

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3405 - 03/10/2021 21:08:42    2384309

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Brian from County Meath

Tomsmith here who supports Cavan Gaels
Brian while I take your point that Cavan Gaels have not done very well outside Cavan, but that is a reflection on the opposition that the famous Gaels Club is faced with year in year out. If the Gaels had one other very strong club ( like the Gaels) in the County of Cavan then the Gaels would go out into Ulster far better prepared and a much better prepared club than saw Cross were.. I take your point about a few of the player who wanted to transfer to the Gaels being let into the Club.. But I will say that if everyone that wanted to transfer to the Gaels were let into the Club sure you would have no local Cavan Town players at all. ."
Tomsmith
Brian from County Meath here

The Gaels have always had decent opposition in Cavan - Gowna , Mullahoran, Lacken, Killygarry and Ballinagh and laterally Kingscourt and Castlerahan have all come to the fore and been at the top level of the Cavan game.

With the resources Cavan Gaels have had available they should've done more and they have made no impact in Ulster. And have the recent imports into their squad had the desired impacts?? I'm not fully sure but was it Kingscourt who were the last team from Cavan to win in Ulster Club championship (senior).

Another thing over the years I've always noted is that Cavan gaels despite being "dominant" within Cavan had very few players on the Cavan panel. I rarely remember more than 3 being involved. So did they maybe benefit from having there team together most of the time? Whereas Gowna, Mullahoran etc had multiple players away with Cavan and weren't fully in tune with their club team come championship sundays.

For example in Meath the current county champions Ratoath have 5 players on the county panel and could conceivably have a few more. For Dublin Ballymun Kickhams have 6/7 players involved.

I would personally argue the case that Kingscourt have been and will continue to be everything the Gaels aspire to be. But they might be able to buy their way there but will never be held in the same regard..

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1730 - 07/10/2021 12:41:53    2384725

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Replying To brian:  "Tomsmith
Brian from County Meath here

The Gaels have always had decent opposition in Cavan - Gowna , Mullahoran, Lacken, Killygarry and Ballinagh and laterally Kingscourt and Castlerahan have all come to the fore and been at the top level of the Cavan game.

With the resources Cavan Gaels have had available they should've done more and they have made no impact in Ulster. And have the recent imports into their squad had the desired impacts?? I'm not fully sure but was it Kingscourt who were the last team from Cavan to win in Ulster Club championship (senior).

Another thing over the years I've always noted is that Cavan gaels despite being "dominant" within Cavan had very few players on the Cavan panel. I rarely remember more than 3 being involved. So did they maybe benefit from having there team together most of the time? Whereas Gowna, Mullahoran etc had multiple players away with Cavan and weren't fully in tune with their club team come championship sundays.

For example in Meath the current county champions Ratoath have 5 players on the county panel and could conceivably have a few more. For Dublin Ballymun Kickhams have 6/7 players involved.

I would personally argue the case that Kingscourt have been and will continue to be everything the Gaels aspire to be. But they might be able to buy their way there but will never be held in the same regard.."
First of all let's talk about the gaels imports? Who are they? Mc Kieran is living in the parish so entitled to play with the gaels.So who else are you talking about?
In the 2000s when the gaels were winning championships there was at 1 time 6 gaels players on the County Panel. So that old argument don't stand up.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 197 - 07/10/2021 14:03:42    2384751

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "First of all let's talk about the gaels imports? Who are they? Mc Kieran is living in the parish so entitled to play with the gaels.So who else are you talking about?
In the 2000s when the gaels were winning championships there was at 1 time 6 gaels players on the County Panel. So that old argument don't stand up."
Michael Lyng - was playing adult football with another club - and got a transfer
Seanie the hurler - "transferred" to Kildare and then back...
Gearoid McKiernan - transferred from a junior club in Cavan - no reason he couldn't stay playing for them.... living in the parish now... The most convenient club transfer excuse the land over... Michael Newman in my own club lives in the parish of Kells but chooses to line out for his intermediate club and not playing senior club football

I accept at one stage they might've had six, but for the majority of the last 20 years they've had maybe 3 or less.. i think there was even a period they had no one at all on the county panel

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1730 - 07/10/2021 14:34:54    2384761

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Replying To brian:  "Michael Lyng - was playing adult football with another club - and got a transfer
Seanie the hurler - "transferred" to Kildare and then back...
Gearoid McKiernan - transferred from a junior club in Cavan - no reason he couldn't stay playing for them.... living in the parish now... The most convenient club transfer excuse the land over... Michael Newman in my own club lives in the parish of Kells but chooses to line out for his intermediate club and not playing senior club football

I accept at one stage they might've had six, but for the majority of the last 20 years they've had maybe 3 or less.. i think there was even a period they had no one at all on the county panel"
Michael Lyng Dad was born a stones throw away from Terry Coyke park so he well entitled to transfer .
Seanie Johnson born and bred in the town , transferred away and came back no big deal.
Mckiernan lives in the parish so there no problem there.
Back in the day the Leddys played with Drumalee and lived in Butlersbridge.
Paddy mc Govern the same when he lived in Belturbet.
Fionnan Mc Donagh lived in the town and played with Laragh as did Adge King who lived in Poles outside the town and played with Laragh too.
So you argument has no substance.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 197 - 07/10/2021 16:14:36    2384777

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