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I hear you but the answer is no. The intent isn't to bring him down and that is the essence of this part of the black card rule. If you were to expand the rule for this where do you draw the line between a "little tug" and a "pull back/down". Can you see where the problems might arise? It all definitely needs to be looked at again and all cyncial play should be black cards in my view. But all eventualities need to be covered. It I was in charge of it I'd get rid of the black cards completely (not the offences) and make them yellow cards and make all yellow cards a sin binning offence. That's the way it is in ladies football and it seems to work. Not perfect in men's but there would be no debates between black and yellow."]Fully agree with simplifying the cards Sindar. While there isn't supposed to be interpretation involved in applying the rules attempting to read the intent of a player who is fouling is pure guesswork. It'd be fair to say that Small wasn't going to let Kevin Mc go in on goal with a pass likely. What the player is gaining in a situation ought to be taken into account. but I accept this is a natural justice reaction rather than any part of the current laws of the game. No doubt it'll be looked at in the round. I appreciate the info... Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 17/08/2021 14:02:44 2372385 Link 1 |
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Very stupid from AOS...no business being there. Lucky he does not get a suspension because of it. Agree if it was a Dublin player there would be a lot more about it. As for there being a lot of Mayo fans on this site....there always has been. I hope we aren't all unbearable ;) yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11563 - 17/08/2021 14:03:58 2372386 Link 6 |
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Rugby Union at the elite level is now virtually untenable as the rules stand because the players are so fit and so strong that the collisions are leading to life changing injuries and premature deaths. Until such time as the rules are substantially altered to protect the players, I for one want no further part of it. plike (Kerry) - Posts: 569 - 17/08/2021 14:06:19 2372389 Link 1 |
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No more than my own county, some of ye are more bearable than others! lol
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 17/08/2021 14:09:02 2372390 Link 1 |
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Sindar is totally wrong there regarding the McLaughlin incident because Byrne did not pull at the back of McLoughlins jersey, he caught the side of his jersey and spun him to the ground so that is not a pull back as Sindar describes it. Black card all day long. Small illegal charge on E McLoughlin, a red card all day long. It became illegal once contact was made with the head, regardless of intent."]If that's the case then Diarmuid O'Connor would have walked for his high head challenge, he would have walked again for his tugging of James McCarthy's jersey, AOS would be suspended for entering the field of play and ripping another players jersey. Sure the list goes on. Intent has to come into it when it comes to tackling, just like when Morgan broke Paddy Andrew's jaw and got a yellow. The game is too fast paced with physical contact to not consider intent. Sure O'Hora should have been red carded for this tackle if that was the case… https://youtu.be/7uCXZcOup_k Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4743 - 17/08/2021 14:12:54 2372392 Link 8 |
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, Well it's not that simple it seems. David Coldrick, who reffed last years AIF, seems to think that a shoulder straight into the chest is a legitimate tackle. Now there are those cynics who would claim that had it happened at the other end and Keegan delivered that hit it would have been a red card and a free in. I am not of that opinion myself - that would be an appalling vista and then where would we bee ;-). timmyhogan (UK) - Posts: 290 - 17/08/2021 14:16:28 2372394 Link 0 |
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Toxic masculinity? Get a hold of yourself would you? If you're going to spout masochistic bilge at least try to use an appropriate comparison. High fielding is no less a demonstration of physical prowess than a hard shoulder. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 17/08/2021 14:22:08 2372400 Link 0 |
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Sindar is totally wrong there regarding the McLaughlin incident because Byrne did not pull at the back of McLoughlins jersey, he caught the side of his jersey and spun him to the ground so that is not a pull back as Sindar describes it. Black card all day long. Small illegal charge on E McLoughlin, a red card all day long. It became illegal once contact was made with the head, regardless of intent."]You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. I wanted it again just now. He did not spin him to the ground. It was definitely cynical but not a black card. Read the rules before you reply. As for your Small comment "regardless of intent" you are completely wrong again. It is never a red card in GAA for unintentional action. Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 17/08/2021 14:29:56 2372405 Link 4 |
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Sindar is totally wrong there regarding the McLaughlin incident because Byrne did not pull at the back of McLoughlins jersey, he caught the side of his jersey and spun him to the ground so that is not a pull back as Sindar describes it. Black card all day long. Small illegal charge on E McLoughlin, a red card all day long. It became illegal once contact was made with the head, regardless of intent."]If that's the case then Diarmuid O'Connor would have walked for his high head challenge, he would have walked again for his tugging of James McCarthy's jersey, AOS would be suspended for entering the field of play and ripping another players jersey. Sure the list goes on. Intent has to come into it when it comes to tackling, just like when Morgan broke Paddy Andrew's jaw and got a yellow. The game is too fast paced with physical contact to not consider intent. Sure O'Hora should have been red carded for this tackle if that was the case… https://youtu.be/7uCXZcOup_k"]Look at it again Joxer in totality, and then freeze it on 18 seconds afterwards, O'Hora playing the ball, Howard playing the man. If Dublin had played a bit more of the ball than the man they might have won it and should have won it when they were 5 points up on 63 mins. They just cracked up under pressure and were unable to play when it was put up to them. I see now why they hate Mayo. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 17/08/2021 14:38:34 2372409 Link 0 |
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Sindar is totally wrong there regarding the McLaughlin incident because Byrne did not pull at the back of McLoughlins jersey, he caught the side of his jersey and spun him to the ground so that is not a pull back as Sindar describes it. Black card all day long. Small illegal charge on E McLoughlin, a red card all day long. It became illegal once contact was made with the head, regardless of intent."]You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. I wanted it again just now. He did not spin him to the ground. It was definitely cynical but not a black card. Read the rules before you reply. As for your Small comment "regardless of intent" you are completely wrong again. It is never a red card in GAA for unintentional action."]My moneys on you knowing what your talking about Sindar. Fair play! lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 17/08/2021 14:50:59 2372417 Link 1 |
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Go back to after the game and you'll see that i said that AOS could and should get a ban for going onto the field. General statements are never good
cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 523 - 17/08/2021 15:11:21 2372429 Link 0 |
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No worries
cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 523 - 17/08/2021 15:12:35 2372431 Link 0 |
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I think the GAA needs to clean up this rule. put out some videos showing whats legal and whats not. Obviously theres a lot of opinions on what a shoulder challenge is. IMO a shoulder charge to the front should always get at least a yelloy card because it is dangerous.
cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 523 - 17/08/2021 15:16:44 2372433 Link 0 |
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I wouldn't put much into what David Coldrick does, for me the man isn't a very good refree. Still the rule says shoulder to shoulder not shoulder to chest. A frontal challenge is a cardable offence cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 523 - 17/08/2021 15:21:28 2372436 Link 0 |
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It's important for me to point out why Sindar is wrong when he says "It is never a red card in GAA for unintentional action". AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 17/08/2021 15:35:32 2372439 Link 3 |
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Sindar is totally wrong there regarding the McLaughlin incident because Byrne did not pull at the back of McLoughlins jersey, he caught the side of his jersey and spun him to the ground so that is not a pull back as Sindar describes it. Black card all day long. Small illegal charge on E McLoughlin, a red card all day long. It became illegal once contact was made with the head, regardless of intent."]If that's the case then Diarmuid O'Connor would have walked for his high head challenge, he would have walked again for his tugging of James McCarthy's jersey, AOS would be suspended for entering the field of play and ripping another players jersey. Sure the list goes on. Intent has to come into it when it comes to tackling, just like when Morgan broke Paddy Andrew's jaw and got a yellow. The game is too fast paced with physical contact to not consider intent. Sure O'Hora should have been red carded for this tackle if that was the case… https://youtu.be/7uCXZcOup_k"]Look at it again Joxer in totality, and then freeze it on 18 seconds afterwards, O'Hora playing the ball, Howard playing the man. If Dublin had played a bit more of the ball than the man they might have won it and should have won it when they were 5 points up on 63 mins. They just cracked up under pressure and were unable to play when it was put up to them. I see now why they hate Mayo."]Not sure what you're looking at. Howard is clearly playing the ball and is laid out by O'Hora. Howard doesn't even see O'Hora. O'Hora smashes him in the head with his shoulder at great speed. It's a red card for a high tackle all day long if the rules are adhered to. It's not even questionable. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4743 - 17/08/2021 15:59:18 2372452 Link 8 |
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Agreed
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3911 - 17/08/2021 16:08:48 2372457 Link 0 |
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Gaelic football is a physical game. We don't want it to become non contact. The small hit was miss timed..should have been a red but he didn't mean to break MacLoughlains jaw...I'd be quiet sure of that. AOS is also lucky not to be cited for running onto the field. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11563 - 17/08/2021 16:20:16 2372460 Link 8 |
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Sindar is totally wrong there regarding the McLaughlin incident because Byrne did not pull at the back of McLoughlins jersey, he caught the side of his jersey and spun him to the ground so that is not a pull back as Sindar describes it. Black card all day long. Small illegal charge on E McLoughlin, a red card all day long. It became illegal once contact was made with the head, regardless of intent."]If that's the case then Diarmuid O'Connor would have walked for his high head challenge, he would have walked again for his tugging of James McCarthy's jersey, AOS would be suspended for entering the field of play and ripping another players jersey. Sure the list goes on. Intent has to come into it when it comes to tackling, just like when Morgan broke Paddy Andrew's jaw and got a yellow. The game is too fast paced with physical contact to not consider intent. Sure O'Hora should have been red carded for this tackle if that was the case… https://youtu.be/7uCXZcOup_k"]Look at it again Joxer in totality, and then freeze it on 18 seconds afterwards, O'Hora playing the ball, Howard playing the man. If Dublin had played a bit more of the ball than the man they might have won it and should have won it when they were 5 points up on 63 mins. They just cracked up under pressure and were unable to play when it was put up to them. I see now why they hate Mayo."]Not sure what you're looking at. Howard is clearly playing the ball and is laid out by O'Hora. Howard doesn't even see O'Hora. O'Hora smashes him in the head with his shoulder at great speed. It's a red card for a high tackle all day long if the rules are adhered to. It's not even questionable."]Ah now if you're trying to tell me you are seeing something different forget it ! AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 17/08/2021 16:21:30 2372461 Link 0 |
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It was a massive hit by Small, and lets be honest - we all enjoy seeing a good physical challenge. But regardless of the intent, when a player ends up with a broken jaw then obviously the challenge cannot have been a legal one. I would give Lane some leeway given that it happened so quickly. It's easy for us at home to judge with the benefit of replays and different angles. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9755 - 17/08/2021 16:22:17 2372464 Link 2 |