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Five o clock.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 02/08/2021 19:38:56 2367009 Link 0 |
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5pm
skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1062 - 02/08/2021 19:40:02 2367010 Link 0 |
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You have deliberately misquoted me, but that's your form anyway
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1794 - 02/08/2021 19:48:01 2367013 Link 1 |
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"For all your snobbery about Munster hurling ye have abandoned it's very essence, i.e ground hurling".... Followed by how we sold our souls etc.. Tell me, how exactly have I misquoted you? skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1062 - 02/08/2021 20:00:08 2367019 Link 0 |
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Ground hurling is an awful ugly boring thing. No one ever got into hurling as a kid because of the beautiful hit and hope swing of the ball on the ground. The game has always evolved every single year. What you think is "proper hurling" is just hurling how you remember it as a lad. Thank God the sport has great innovators like Limerick. Fellas like Mick Mackey who were brave enough to solo the ball while everyone around him was playing field hockey Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 02/08/2021 20:13:26 2367022 Link 1 |
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No you came in so we were getting hockeyed by 2 or 3 different counties instead of 1 or 2!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11840 - 02/08/2021 20:15:53 2367024 Link 0 |
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Read your post again Baire it does come across that way !
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11840 - 02/08/2021 20:16:33 2367025 Link 0 |
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Ground hurling is a beautiful thing when it's controlled or even uncontrolled. Troy for Offaly could unlock a defence in seconds. There's still a place for it when passing the ball onto a loose man..How many forwards come onto a ball , theres a guy running past waiting for a quick pass whilst the forward foosters with it and gets it in his hand to give a hand pass when he could have saved time and played the man through on the the ground in the first place bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 02/08/2021 20:30:54 2367029 Link 0 |
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But still it took a fair team to beat Kilkenny about 10 points in each of three different finals and took them to a replay in '14- Who else has done it- and yes KK were the greatest team ever, but even in 2009, when they were at there Zenith Tipp did take them down to the wire. Don't get wrong as a Limerick man, I am no big fan of Tipps, but you to admit they too are often a tough nut to crack.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 02/08/2021 20:57:36 2367046 Link 0 |
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One thing for certain limrik don't know the first thing about the skills of ground hurling. katser (Galway) - Posts: 2193 - 02/08/2021 20:58:09 2367047 Link 2 |
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First of all, I used the term, ground hurling - there's a lot more to it than hitting the ball 'along the ground'. For years Munster counties, esp Cork and Tipp claimed, with some arrogance, to be the experts at ground hurling and they were very successful at it until a certain KK manager decoded it and put a stop to their gallop! I don't recall Leinster counties or Galway ever claiming to be experts at ground hurling but that doesn't mean it wasn't a big part of their game. But the essence of the game then was fast, forward movement of sliotar, on the ground, off the camán or in the air. Ground hurling kept the game flowing, the term ruck didn't exist in hurling until recently mainly because the ball was pulled on in the air or on the ground into open space. Obviously there are other things in the modern game that are more attractive to watch. But the modern game is no longer an amateur game and anyone who claims otherwise is not being honest about it. Soccer, with the emphasis on possession, percentages, professionalism etc has had a huge influence on both gaelic football and hurling. I fear our games are gradually going down the same route. I wasn't taking a swipe at Limerick, Limerick have a great team and some fantastic hurlers. I was making a joke about 'lose' and 'loose' but some ppl took it very seriously! If Waterford don't win on Saturday, I'll be hoping Limerick will win the All Ireland. We'd always support the less successful counties, historically, in the west, it's part of our nature - no offence to KK, Tipp or Cork, all three counties have had wonderful teams and hurlers down through the years. baire (Galway) - Posts: 1794 - 02/08/2021 21:16:52 2367054 Link 0 |
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Personally I'd prefer an open draw, non-provincial championship and a level-playing field for all. The Munster championship could still be run off as a separate knockout competition, as it used to be. Unfortunately provincial politics has ruled the GAA since 1884 and it hasn't helped to develop the game outside of the usual 8-10 counties.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1794 - 02/08/2021 21:28:46 2367056 Link 1 |
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100% Definitely has a place in the modern game. Hopefully Offaly will bring it back with them to the top table soon.
ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 02/08/2021 21:31:30 2367057 Link 0 |
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I take your point but the Kilkenny teams of 16 and 19 were not a patch on 06-09 or 11-14. I felt Tipp only really got an upperhand in the rivalry once JJ Delaney and Jackie Tyrell retired. The Kilkenny backs coming in to replace them were not of the same vintage and it was like the Tipp forwards were released from their shackles.
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 02/08/2021 23:07:50 2367082 Link 0 |
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baire, if you did that the Provincial Championships would become like the League IS becoming and like the Railway Cup HAS become- irrelevant. I feel if we could amalgamate smaller counties for hurling and allow each to still compete in the secondary competitions and it might be more beneficial. There is no easy solution. Hurling, since the GAAs foundation in 1884 has been played around the Ballyheigue, Ballyduff, Causeway ,Kilmoyley Lixnaw area of North Kerry, where the land is good. However there are other parishes in the County in areas like the Shannon Estuary Coastline, the Currow/Farranfore region and the Laune Valley area, among others, where the land is also good, but hurling has never taken off in those places. In almost every parish, where the land is good in the rest of Munster Hurling is the main game. How is that. Remember Kerry did not win their first All Ireland Football Title until 1903, twelve years after they won their only hurling title. How does one account for the failure of hurling to thrive after an initial success. Some say the presence of a game called Caid, a form of football, in the county, pre 1884, may have been a factor Despite the great land there is in Meath, Kildare and Louth, all counties with big populations, how come the game has never really taken off in that region either, even though Meath did threaten to make a breakthrough in the the forties and fifties. Only Offaly has won a breakthrough All Ireland since 1948. It is hard to see where another first All Ireland is going to come from. Dublin has won six All Ireland but it appears that there was not a single one of the players involved born in the County. Yet hurling is widely played in the city and in the rural North of the County and always has been. Yet, despite a vast playing pool, it is 83 years since they won their last All Ireland. It has not been for want of money. Back in 2005, when JP was already sponsoring Limerick for five years, a prominent Limerick GAA Official told that the amount of money being put into Dublin hurling was vastly more than what Limerick was getting. Yes they only have one League and one Leinster title in the last sixty year to show for it- so it cannot be all about money. Thanks for your promised support if LK pull through on Sat. I assure every hurling person in LK will be shouting for the Decies on Aug 22nd, even if they have already overpowered our boys.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 02/08/2021 23:11:08 2367083 Link 1 |
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Good post and thanks for the explanation of where you were coming from.. apologies for comparing you to Katser by the way, that was below the belt :) skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1062 - 02/08/2021 23:12:57 2367084 Link 0 |
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I supposed you would have to ask when Joe,Tony,T. J. and Austin cuts the ball over the bar from 70 meters is that not ground hurling? Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 03/08/2021 01:37:36 2367106 Link 0 |
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I'm still not convinced an open draw is the way forward. I think increased advertising for the game, more fulltime GPOs, more fulltime coaches going round the schools should boost playing numbers and that's the only real way for Joe Mac and Christy Ring counties to step up in the longterm.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11840 - 03/08/2021 06:58:36 2367118 Link 0 |
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Very few backs of that standard in any county at the time
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11840 - 03/08/2021 07:00:06 2367119 Link 0 |
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What you're doing there Oldtourman is kitchen-sinking and diverting - throw everything into the argument and avoid the main issue i.e that the soccer mentality of possession, percentages, huge professional back room teams and analysts has taken over the game and that the emphasis on wrist work, fast movement of ball, first time hurling, off the cuff play etc is a thing of the past. I don't think the GAA is going to change it, as long as the money keeps rolling into headquarters they will turn a blind eye. I'm not referring to any particular county here btw, it's widespread in both hurling and gaelic football.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1794 - 03/08/2021 09:25:35 2367135 Link 0 |