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Correction. Underpins, not undermines. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2407 - 12/06/2021 19:10:07 2349899 Link 0 |
I'd like to know what percentage of people who done the ice bucket challenge actually contributed to MND charity. It was a great idea to raise money for such a horrible disease but it did seem to become a bit gimmcky and just became the in thing to be seen to do and post on social media. I think the message of what it was all about got lost. Similar to taking the knee I feel. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1890 - 12/06/2021 19:34:02 2349910 Link 1 |
There is little or no interest in the GAA whose absolute essence is in playing for where you come from. If a young fellah supports the Pakistani cricket team, the Limerick hurlers might not be able to compete with that. HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 12/06/2021 20:00:18 2349927 Link 0 |
People should educate themselves before talking, I suggest watching the very in depth "What killed Michael Brown". Made by a great black film maker, it is the case which started the "hands up dont shoot protests". There is a concentrated effort to divide people along any line possible, division is the agenda. How many of the people taking the knee know who George Soros is?, he wrote the refugee quotas for Europe, recently increased from 45m to 75m, how about we stop creating refugees. How many people know who controls the currency currently being used in Ireland? People are being used as disposable pawns. We have to step outside the information being fed and educate ourselves, taking the knee is agenda driven and a sign of submission, btw, BLM are not welcomed by many black Americans. This is Marxist driven, read about the attempt to introduce "critical race theory" into US schools as its coming to Ireland soon GAAK (Derry) - Posts: 14 - 12/06/2021 20:14:54 2349932 Link 1 |
May be I am naive and willing to be corrected but I do not perceive racism in the GAA. I think any kid who would come down to his local GAA field would be welcome. I think in fact pride would be take in teaching him/her football, hurling and camogie. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2638 - 12/06/2021 20:20:37 2349936 Link 0 |
A police officer is a very dangerous job in America and because of the gun culture in America police officers have to undertake their role in a much more aggressive manner than probably anywhere else in the western world. I've no doubt some police officers are racists in the same way that some people generally are racists. But the reason in the main that the police mindset is the black guy might have stolen car is because, in his job he has probably comes across black men stealing cars at a higher rate than the general population. It is unfair on the vast majority of blacks who would never commit serious crime but the root cause is the higher crime rates. Ultimately high crime rates is in large part linked to poverty, government and local communities need to work to sort this out rather than just blame the police. BLM don't hide the fact that they are Marxist. They are genuinely calling for crazy policies like defunding the police. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1287 - 12/06/2021 20:50:47 2349948 Link 0 |
If we took the knee for black lives matters , then take the other knee for sexism , then lie on our backs for ageism. OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 655 - 12/06/2021 21:07:41 2349966 Link 10 |
I think the most racism I've seen at GAA grounds was when I trained English born lads, nearly all with Irish parents and brought them over on tour. It was regular abuse by players and fans. I cannot believe that any people, of any race, gender or creed should not be applauded for playing and promoting our games. I suspect there are a few that are appalled by racism but would be quick to turn on an English accent, even before knowing the background.
BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 12/06/2021 21:49:21 2349988 Link 0 |
Well Hokeypokey, there are non white players coming through. It will take time. There are as many if not more Eastern Europeans in the part of Dublin I live in. Will we see them playing the Gah. I hope so. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2511 - 12/06/2021 21:55:42 2349991 Link 0 |
You're right i dont think the GAA has a massive racism problem. It does happen. Lads will be welcome by their own team, until you play for a club team in the GAA or your child does I dont really think people understand the bonds of club teammates. But when this first started last year the younger players who came forward about racial abuse on the pitch it was always from the opposition. One young lad didn't tell his teammates what was said to him. Lee Chins dad isn't hearing racist comments about his son from members of his own club but hes hearing it from others. I think the taking the knee is performative by a lot of people and that's the reason I wouldn't like to see it in the GAA. So many people talking about stuff like this and I honestly think they couldnt care less it's just the popular self righteous thing to do The main BLM group recently had one of their founders or higher ups step down because she spent over a million dollars on a new home. One of the victims brothers that they are "fighting" for publicly denounced them because he said he didnt know where the money was going and were not transparent I'd like the GAA to put out a clear anti racism message like the mental health one and follow it up with action. Id also like to see them follow up the mental health one with action too. It's very performative. galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1675 - 12/06/2021 22:17:25 2350003 Link 0 |
I think you are talking about classism rather than racism there. I know that's definitely an issue in certain rugby circles. Rugby culture varies from place to place in Ireland though and is much less uniform than GAA. I didn't play for a club or school team that would have played against many of the private school types. My point was racism is an issue in Ireland and there is work to do. A lot of people seem to buy into bad faith or factually incorrect arguments against things like taking the knee. The GAA has work to do on becoming more diverse. It seems that even a sport like rugby which is limited in its worldwide popularity attracts more non-white players / fans than the GAA."]With respect there are GAA clubs now in every major city in the World. They cater mainly for ex Pats that is true. And they are trying to get 2nd generation playing the games. For example there are teams from multicultural London and multicultural New York playing in the All Ireland championships. They could try and possible have a team from European GAA too in the future."]I was talking about worldwide appeal in terms of Ireland. People argue that soccer has worldwide appeal, so naturally they choose soccer. This is given as a reason non-Irish or kids from non-Irish backgrounds don't play GAA. I think it is a factor. But, rugby doesn't have much of a profile in most countries, yet it does better among these groups. There are very, very few non Irish names on county teams. I'm not sure how it is on club teams, but seems very glaring at inter-county. Chin, Sherlock, Jemar Hall, the Ó hAilpíns all had one Irish parent. The question is why aren't they choosing GAA?"]Simple. It doesn't have the international exposure rather than being because of race. If you have no previous Irish background, GAA is an alien game. However if you see familiar sports like soccer, rugby etc, you are more likely to play it. Look at the reverse. Any lad that plays GAA that goes abroad, is more likely to look for a local GAA team than take up a brand new sport they have no experience of. BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 12/06/2021 22:25:34 2350008 Link 1 |
I think the problem is that people saying 'there is racism in the GAA' is getting confused with, or worse, that the GAA is racist. There are a certain amount of individuals in Ireland who are racist, in all walks of life. Some of these people will be part of the GAA. However, I would agree with you, anyone who takes time out to teach and support kids at a local GAA club, is far less likely to be racist.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2407 - 12/06/2021 22:39:43 2350014 Link 3 |
BLM, Nike, Coca Cola all bad US brands. I am totally convinced a GAA team "taking the knee" would have ridicule heaped upon them. Selective inclusitivity is not what sport needs. On a very basic level players from diverse backgrounds should have an equal and fair chance to play whatever spirt tgey choose, without having to go through some sort of approval ritial before every game. World is going slowly mad. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4889 - 13/06/2021 00:02:39 2350043 Link 2 |
Very well said. Shows how idiotic this nonsense is, this american marxist organisation and its claptrap has no place in our society or association.
Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 13/06/2021 07:06:10 2350060 Link 7 |
A police officer takes an oath to serve the people. All the people. He is trained not to have a racist mind set and if he has, that is what he is, a racist. If he does not know the risks of the job then he should not have joined this career. Suppose more Meath people got harassed and shot because they commit more crime than any where else in Ireland. Sometimes we need to put ourselves in the shoes of the other person. Cops in the U.S. have murdered black people since the foundation of the country and those deaths if you look up the stats is way out of portion than theory that they steal more cars.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2638 - 13/06/2021 13:36:09 2350178 Link 2 |
Brings up the question also, why are certain parts of Irish society so desperate to associate with something that has nothing to do with our society or culture. Systematic abuse, racism and slavery of Black Africans is not part of our history, despite the best attempts of a UCD professor of ' Black studies' who gets trotted out at every opportunity by RTE to tell us about how racist we all are. I remember the BLM march in Dublin last year when the whole country was supposed to be in Lockdown. it was ridiculous that it was allowed go ahead and even worse how our then Taoiseach fell over himself to support it all..the hypocrisy is unreal.... skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1049 - 13/06/2021 14:04:22 2350189 Link 3 |
"Cops in the U.S. have murdered black people since the foundation of the country" Black people have murdered far more black people than cops. Cops in the US have 'murdered' far more white people than black people. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2407 - 13/06/2021 17:11:06 2350292 Link 5 |
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883 Above is an article from the from the Wall Street Journal (a well respected newspaper in US) I was sent last year during some of the BLM protests. Many people are buying the argument without question that statistics prove an extreme bias against black people in terms of treatment by police officers. Thus article puts the case that that this is not the reality. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1287 - 13/06/2021 17:38:12 2350305 Link 1 |
"Cops in the US have 'murdered' far more white people than black people." 13.4% of the U.S population is black. If you want to use as a gauge the percentage of whites killed to blacks then it should be no blacks ever. Do some research and history and you will find the number of law men who went with the vigilantes and klu kluks clan and hung black men for taking some food, looking at women, sitting on a bus, using a toilet etc.etc. But then there are people who also deny the holocaust so no surprise at denial of racism by bad cops. Guess what the lynching guys hiding behind the white cloakes are as prevalent today as they were 100 years ago and have police support in many areas. We as Irish should know better that anyone what it is to be policed by racist police. Not every policeman is that way but take off the blinkers. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2638 - 14/06/2021 02:07:00 2350606 Link 2 |
No doubt blacks have historically been treated badly in America and very badly the American south but it when it comes to police officers and Black males in modern times it is a bad use of statistics to say blacks make up 13.4% of the population so if black shooting by police officers is much more than this this it shows bias. You have to take into account other factors, in 2018 blacks made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and committed about 60% of the robberies. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1287 - 15/06/2021 19:56:12 2351251 Link 2 |