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Replying To Daith:  "There weren't any winners yesterday really. The standard was shocking at times and it was a scrappy, niggly game.

Both will have suspensions and injuries from this game going into the championship. Not that it matters. The league will be the last bit of meaningful football either of these teams plays this year. It's probably the last bit of ball I'll watch anyway.

I hope there's no truth in what Andy McEntee said at the end. Given the current situation it would be a vile, indefensible act."
Think this fully sums up my own feelings on this game. Congrats to Kildare on their victory and promotion. I'd honestly say though there were no winners today. Two very poor teams who look like they are going nowhere, and Meath are getting there faster. I'd fully expect that Kildare will be the team coming back down next year in the same way that Roscommon are yoyo-ing every other year.

Standard of football was atrocious, Kildare had marginally the better players and playing at home was worth the couple of scores that won it in the end. although why this game wasn't played at a neutral venue was baffling. I heard during the commentary that a Meath official was measuring the dimensions of the pitch beforehand, which if true is a very pathetic act. Dimensions are the same for both teams at the end of the day.

On the incident at the end of the game, i missed what happened but Andy is known as a sore loser and loves to deflect from the teams short comings and this is another example of it. Conor McGill is not the kind of player to go after someone for no reason but he should also have known the consequences going after a player were a ban.

This is one of several incidents in recent years where Meath managers have gone to the press after games about stuff like this (the Mickey Burke biting incident whilst he was fish hooking a dublin player, Andy whining about referees v Tyrone and Donegal after championship defeats). In my life what happened on the field stayed on the field and that was it no b****ing, moaning or complaining and Meath teams were respected for it down the years. But we've become a team of moaning whining cry babies and that's the most disappointing thing I've seen from Meath teams in recent years.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1982 - 14/06/2021 11:59:47    2350710

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Replying To MayoDan:  "Ah come on. That Clare midfielder O'Neill was 2 or 3 inches taller than Aidan O'Shea. No full back could handle him 1 v 1.

We've very few options for the full back line so I can't see Mullin being played further up the pitch."
Very few options I agree Dan, but what's more concerning is that the big complaining lad was allowed in to contest ball so many times... it reminded me of the 2014 drawn game with Kerry when Donaghy was let loose 1 v 1 on a knackered Cafferkey and no adjustment when the alarm bells started to ring. Clare won't be the last to try route 1 if there's no plan to counter it.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 14/06/2021 12:28:18    2350723

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Replying To Bon:  "Andy McEntee claims the Meath full back was spat at in the face prior to his red card. If this is the case the culprit needs to be outed and given the mother and father of all suspensions. Its the most cowardly thuggish act you could do on a sports pitch. Given how much work has gone into getting games back up and running this year with all the covid precautions and protocols.
I am absolutely disgusted by this."
Wait for the full facts to come out

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2093 - 14/06/2021 13:00:19    2350742

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Standard class from a Tyrone fan.

Bring on that hard border."
thats just as classless

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2093 - 14/06/2021 13:03:53    2350745

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Wait for the full facts to come out"
Exactly. I haven't seen any footage of the alleged incident. It's a really damaging allegation to make and the Kildare player deserves the presumption on innocence.
If there was a deliberate spitting incident the perpetrator deservers a lengthy ban and the Kildare management should remove him from the panel.

Did Mcentee himself see the incident or did he hear abut about?

Did he comment on the knee into the back of Kevin Flynns head?

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 14/06/2021 13:09:14    2350750

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Wait for the full facts to come out"
Fair enough, but I don't think an inter county manager would come out with that if it wasn't true. Its too serious an allegation.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2322 - 14/06/2021 13:18:24    2350762

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Replying To Bon:  "Fair enough, but I don't think an inter county manager would come out with that if it wasn't true. Its too serious an allegation."
The payer in question is entitled to due process. Andy Mc has form for being deflective and looking to pass the boo when Meath are bet.

Do we know if he saw the alleged incident or is it here say?

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 14/06/2021 13:30:43    2350766

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Meath lose a game and guess what Andy McCantee is surrounded by reporters looking for a sore loser response. Kildare lads started it, Boohoo.

jonno (Kildare) - Posts: 261 - 14/06/2021 13:34:13    2350767

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Replying To daytona11:  "The payer in question is entitled to due process. Andy Mc has form for being deflective and looking to pass the boo when Meath are bet.

Do we know if he saw the alleged incident or is it here say?"
I'm not sure if he saw it to be honest. But if there is a spitting incident this has to be investigated thoroughly by the association regardless of what player/county is involved. Its irrelevant what was said before or what happened after , but this is a huge incident on its own. It has no place whatsoever in GAA.
This needs to be gotten to the bottom of ,pronto.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2322 - 14/06/2021 13:44:30    2350776

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Replying To Bon:  "I'm not sure if he saw it to be honest. But if there is a spitting incident this has to be investigated thoroughly by the association regardless of what player/county is involved. Its irrelevant what was said before or what happened after , but this is a huge incident on its own. It has no place whatsoever in GAA.
This needs to be gotten to the bottom of ,pronto."
I agree. And if the allegations are found to be baseless Mcentee should also be punished.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 14/06/2021 14:07:49    2350790

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Replying To daytona11:  "I agree. And if the allegations are found to be baseless Mcentee should also be punished."
daytona, you seem very defensive about Kildare and going on the attack at Andy, you're saying the player in question (who i don't think was named by Andy) needs to be given due process yet asking if Andy saw it, if it's hearsay on his part, demanding response about an incident with kevin flynn (which he may not have been asked about, hence no comment on it), calling him a sore loser and calling for Andy to be banned if events are not true.

Maybe heed your own words and allow due process to take place.

I like many of your fellow Kildare posters are saying if true then its should be dealt with accordingly so maybe leave it at that.

If proven to be baseless then I would agree with you that Andy should be punished.

But allow due process

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1982 - 14/06/2021 14:43:47    2350810

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Replying To Daith:  "There weren't any winners yesterday really. The standard was shocking at times and it was a scrappy, niggly game.

Both will have suspensions and injuries from this game going into the championship. Not that it matters. The league will be the last bit of meaningful football either of these teams plays this year. It's probably the last bit of ball I'll watch anyway.

I hope there's no truth in what Andy McEntee said at the end. Given the current situation it would be a vile, indefensible act."
I wouldn't agree with that, yesterday's game was a huge game for both teams if they hoped to improve next year. Unlikely Kildare will win Leinster this year but getting into division 1 at least gives your players a chance to get used to playing at a higher level next year, it could raise the standard of the players. It really gives your manager a chance to build something as,as was said on the Meath page you learn nothing playing in division 2.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1413 - 14/06/2021 14:50:18    2350814

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To be honest even if true I don't see the point of Andy McEntee bringing up the alleged spitting incident, better off just to move on.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1413 - 14/06/2021 14:55:14    2350818

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "To be honest even if true I don't see the point of Andy McEntee bringing up the alleged spitting incident, better off just to move on."
Its disappointing and not befitting of a Meath manager. Leave it on the field. They had enough swings at him anyway and still no damage was done to the spitter. Meath teams used to sort that kind of thing on the pitch and say nothing after. The current Dublin lads would've sorted it out on the pitch.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 14/06/2021 15:28:41    2350836

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Its disappointing and not befitting of a Meath manager. Leave it on the field. They had enough swings at him anyway and still no damage was done to the spitter. Meath teams used to sort that kind of thing on the pitch and say nothing after. The current Dublin lads would've sorted it out on the pitch."
Alleged spitter.

If there was a spit then Mcentee is correct to highlight it but I with Mcentee it just seems like his usual deflecting.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 14/06/2021 15:58:21    2350842

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Replying To Richieq:  "And Tyrone posters have never rubbed people the wrong way?? Your fierce fond of playing the "poor me" attitude about that country, I doubt your intent was nothing more than to pour salt on an open wound now being honest."
Truth be told it was to wind up our royal corespondent, not that many posts back he was talking about being back in Div 1 with the big boy's. Craics mighty.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2295 - 14/06/2021 16:25:31    2350850

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Replying To daytona11:  "Alleged spitter.

If there was a spit then Mcentee is correct to highlight it but I with Mcentee it just seems like his usual deflecting."
thought you wanted due process????

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1982 - 14/06/2021 16:57:20    2350863

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Due to a mini medical emergency with my young son didn't see second half.
Just got updates on sm. Kildare deserved winners by sound of things. Totally wrong team by Meath to start. Very disappointed but that's football, we not good enough for division one if we couldn't win this game.
I've been a huge supporter of Andy mcentee since he arrived, he has brought us on, but I think he has brought us as far as he can now, and now (end of Leinster) is time for a new voice and vision . I do want to thank Andy for his efforts. But all good things must come to a end.
Btw did campion have a chance to draw match at end ? And was there a bust up with all the red and yellow cards ?"
Hope your son OK Royal Dunne.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3918 - 14/06/2021 17:01:40    2350868

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Replying To brian:  "Think this fully sums up my own feelings on this game. Congrats to Kildare on their victory and promotion. I'd honestly say though there were no winners today. Two very poor teams who look like they are going nowhere, and Meath are getting there faster. I'd fully expect that Kildare will be the team coming back down next year in the same way that Roscommon are yoyo-ing every other year.

Standard of football was atrocious, Kildare had marginally the better players and playing at home was worth the couple of scores that won it in the end. although why this game wasn't played at a neutral venue was baffling. I heard during the commentary that a Meath official was measuring the dimensions of the pitch beforehand, which if true is a very pathetic act. Dimensions are the same for both teams at the end of the day.

On the incident at the end of the game, i missed what happened but Andy is known as a sore loser and loves to deflect from the teams short comings and this is another example of it. Conor McGill is not the kind of player to go after someone for no reason but he should also have known the consequences going after a player were a ban.

This is one of several incidents in recent years where Meath managers have gone to the press after games about stuff like this (the Mickey Burke biting incident whilst he was fish hooking a dublin player, Andy whining about referees v Tyrone and Donegal after championship defeats). In my life what happened on the field stayed on the field and that was it no b****ing, moaning or complaining and Meath teams were respected for it down the years. But we've become a team of moaning whining cry babies and that's the most disappointing thing I've seen from Meath teams in recent years."
I wouldn't regard Meath as being any worse about moaning than any other county. In comparison to the Boylan years, yes maybe, but you have to remember the culture of those teams was exceptional.

I think there is better football than that in both counties, but at this stage both Meath and Kildare look completely demoralized after years of being humiliated. A lot of that frustration was evident yesterday from both. There didn't seem to be that fear of not being available for the championship from either team.

Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1172 - 14/06/2021 17:19:47    2350871

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Replying To MayoDan:  "Do you think if we play differently we will beat Dublin? I don't."
Agree MayoDan. Don't forget that in 16 and 17 all ireland finals Mayo were the better team but were very unlucky. A few important referee decisions went against Mayo and also the Donie Vaughan John Small incident cost Mayo too niotD to nention own goals. So yes Mayo game plan is way to go and Mayo were the team that spooked Jim Gavin the most.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3918 - 14/06/2021 17:30:58    2350880

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