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Why are the GAA seemingly unable to issue a statement that includes the words "Northern Ireland" and thereby reflecting the democratic view of people across the entire island to recognise the existence of the state of Northern Ireland?
It was democratically recognised when the Treaty was democratically approved in 1921 and again when the Good Friday Agreement was voted on in 1998. Still the GAA, like the IRA, continue to act as if they refuse to recognise the state of Northern Ireland. They're happy enough to recognise the state when it comes accepting government grants.
Their linguistic gymnastics designed to avoid saying Northern Ireland are tiresome and irritating at this stage. Enough of "the North".
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 17/04/2021 10:05:20
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Replying To Onion Breath: "Why are the GAA seemingly unable to issue a statement that includes the words "Northern Ireland" and thereby reflecting the democratic view of people across the entire island to recognise the existence of the state of Northern Ireland?
It was democratically recognised when the Treaty was democratically approved in 1921 and again when the Good Friday Agreement was voted on in 1998. Still the GAA, like the IRA, continue to act as if they refuse to recognise the state of Northern Ireland. They're happy enough to recognise the state when it comes accepting government grants.
Their linguistic gymnastics designed to avoid saying Northern Ireland are tiresome and irritating at this stage. Enough of "the North"." Northern Ireland is not a "state".
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2460 - 17/04/2021 11:44:59
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Replying To Onion Breath: "Why are the GAA seemingly unable to issue a statement that includes the words "Northern Ireland" and thereby reflecting the democratic view of people across the entire island to recognise the existence of the state of Northern Ireland?
It was democratically recognised when the Treaty was democratically approved in 1921 and again when the Good Friday Agreement was voted on in 1998. Still the GAA, like the IRA, continue to act as if they refuse to recognise the state of Northern Ireland. They're happy enough to recognise the state when it comes accepting government grants.
Their linguistic gymnastics designed to avoid saying Northern Ireland are tiresome and irritating at this stage. Enough of "the North"." The GAA is an All-Island organisation. It uses the four provinces of Ireland to administer its games. The same as other sports such as rugby and hockey. One of those provinces spans 2 jurisdictions. Using a term that excludes 1/3 of one province is silly and I don't know why they'd need to use it.
There are enough things to get annoyed about in the world rather than making up ones all by yourself.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 17/04/2021 12:14:59
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Replying To Onion Breath: "Why are the GAA seemingly unable to issue a statement that includes the words "Northern Ireland" and thereby reflecting the democratic view of people across the entire island to recognise the existence of the state of Northern Ireland?
It was democratically recognised when the Treaty was democratically approved in 1921 and again when the Good Friday Agreement was voted on in 1998. Still the GAA, like the IRA, continue to act as if they refuse to recognise the state of Northern Ireland. They're happy enough to recognise the state when it comes accepting government grants.
Their linguistic gymnastics designed to avoid saying Northern Ireland are tiresome and irritating at this stage. Enough of "the North"." What about the GAA to acknowledge County LondonDerry as well Onion Breath?
Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 784 - 17/04/2021 12:15:48
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Replying To Onion Breath: "Why are the GAA seemingly unable to issue a statement that includes the words "Northern Ireland" and thereby reflecting the democratic view of people across the entire island to recognise the existence of the state of Northern Ireland?
It was democratically recognised when the Treaty was democratically approved in 1921 and again when the Good Friday Agreement was voted on in 1998. Still the GAA, like the IRA, continue to act as if they refuse to recognise the state of Northern Ireland. They're happy enough to recognise the state when it comes accepting government grants.
Their linguistic gymnastics designed to avoid saying Northern Ireland are tiresome and irritating at this stage. Enough of "the North"." you need to look up the following terms:
Pax Britannica
Gerrymandering
Reunification
suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 17/04/2021 12:32:07
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Replying To Onion Breath: "Why are the GAA seemingly unable to issue a statement that includes the words "Northern Ireland" and thereby reflecting the democratic view of people across the entire island to recognise the existence of the state of Northern Ireland?
It was democratically recognised when the Treaty was democratically approved in 1921 and again when the Good Friday Agreement was voted on in 1998. Still the GAA, like the IRA, continue to act as if they refuse to recognise the state of Northern Ireland. They're happy enough to recognise the state when it comes accepting government grants.
Their linguistic gymnastics designed to avoid saying Northern Ireland are tiresome and irritating at this stage. Enough of "the North"." The GAA is a 32 county all island organization. They can do what they like. Other sports don't even recognize the Republic, for example they don't use the Irish national anthem, Amhrán na bhFiann.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 17/04/2021 12:40:49
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Did you ever notice the posters who are most negative about the GAA are the ones from counties who are really bad at it, eg Carlow, Limerick football.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 17/04/2021 12:41:48
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Northern Ireland is County Donegal, most northerly part of Ireland is Malin head, so are we the north of Ireland or Northern Ireland?
The six counties are occupied still by a foreign power and held by the threat and use of force, The six county statelet was gerrymandered when it was created to give the unionists a permanent majority, that's going now because the catholics are out breeding them,
if they had included Donegal from day one they could have called it Northern Ireland, but they wouldn't have had their apartheid wee orange state then were catholics were second class.
The times they are a changing, border is the the Irish sea, thank God we are surrounded by water.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 17/04/2021 13:14:09
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Replying To Onion Breath: "Why are the GAA seemingly unable to issue a statement that includes the words "Northern Ireland" and thereby reflecting the democratic view of people across the entire island to recognise the existence of the state of Northern Ireland?
It was democratically recognised when the Treaty was democratically approved in 1921 and again when the Good Friday Agreement was voted on in 1998. Still the GAA, like the IRA, continue to act as if they refuse to recognise the state of Northern Ireland. They're happy enough to recognise the state when it comes accepting government grants.
Their linguistic gymnastics designed to avoid saying Northern Ireland are tiresome and irritating at this stage. Enough of "the North"." I think it's very hard to call Northern Ireland a state.
It's not independent of the UK.
I use "The North" myself. Practically all my friends would use "The North" when referring to the 6 partitioned counties.
Jog on with your policing of our speech.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4223 - 17/04/2021 13:16:59
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Last year when Sean Cavanagh said "Certainly, up here in the UK" when referring to Tyrone and presumably the other five counties, many in the GAA community nearly went into complete and utter meltdown, and directed vile abuse towards him while hiding behind their laptops. Sean clearly recognises the fact that there are 6 counties who participate in the "All-Ireland" which are part of the UK. The Dublin government & the GAA have about as much a legal claim or right to rename New York & London, as they do on Tyrone or any other part of the UK.
It's inevitable that a "border poll", will happen in the future, and whatever the outcome there will be one large minority, but I believe we're a million miles away from ever seeing kids on the Shankill road ever wanting to be part of any "GAA Community" or have anything to do with a Dublin government. Bernard Brogan could be a fiddle player from Clare for all they know or care. The six counties are nothing but a problem child for the British government and they can't wait to hand over the brat to Dublin, should that ever happen, that's when the proverbial will really hit the fan.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 17/04/2021 13:26:37
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Replying To Onion Breath: "Why are the GAA seemingly unable to issue a statement that includes the words "Northern Ireland" and thereby reflecting the democratic view of people across the entire island to recognise the existence of the state of Northern Ireland?
It was democratically recognised when the Treaty was democratically approved in 1921 and again when the Good Friday Agreement was voted on in 1998. Still the GAA, like the IRA, continue to act as if they refuse to recognise the state of Northern Ireland. They're happy enough to recognise the state when it comes accepting government grants.
Their linguistic gymnastics designed to avoid saying Northern Ireland are tiresome and irritating at this stage. Enough of "the North"." I suppose when things are as serious as someone annoying your linguistic taste then we'll all have to change how we view the island and our own opinions on it. The GAA are entitled to say what they want so long as its not abusive. Unless you believe that a majority vote means everyone's vote then I don't see what the problem is.
I assume you mean Sinn Fein when you say IRA, don't worry, well used to it from the Loyalists up here. Tell me how they would go about achieving a united Ireland, which is Sinn Fein's objective, without first following the protocol that is currently set in place here? Something that was set in place when the majority of the 6 counties were unionist, which isn't the case anymore. That was only 23 years ago and look what's changed, yet your bringing up a treaty signed 100 years ago to validate a nothing point you're trying to make. Surely even with no matches there are better topics to come up with!
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 17/04/2021 13:28:16
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Replying To SaffronDon: "I suppose when things are as serious as someone annoying your linguistic taste then we'll all have to change how we view the island and our own opinions on it. The GAA are entitled to say what they want so long as its not abusive. Unless you believe that a majority vote means everyone's vote then I don't see what the problem is.
I assume you mean Sinn Fein when you say IRA, don't worry, well used to it from the Loyalists up here. Tell me how they would go about achieving a united Ireland, which is Sinn Fein's objective, without first following the protocol that is currently set in place here? Something that was set in place when the majority of the 6 counties were unionist, which isn't the case anymore. That was only 23 years ago and look what's changed, yet your bringing up a treaty signed 100 years ago to validate a nothing point you're trying to make. Surely even with no matches there are better topics to come up with!" Off topic question. Why is there a large majority (more than unionists) or Protestant not wanting a United ire??
Seen a few polls now that say while a border poll would be wanted a United ire outcome is highly unlikely. Actually near 60% voting to remain in the union. In other words a decisive victory and putting back another border poll for a generation. Why is this does anyone know ?
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 17/04/2021 14:10:28
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Replying To galwayford: "Did you ever notice the posters who are most negative about the GAA are the ones from counties who are really bad at it, eg Carlow, Limerick football." What Limerick football has to do with anything on this topic is beyond me...
skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1062 - 17/04/2021 14:41:15
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Replying To royaldunne: "Off topic question. Why is there a large majority (more than unionists) or Protestant not wanting a United ire??
Seen a few polls now that say while a border poll would be wanted a United ire outcome is highly unlikely. Actually near 60% voting to remain in the union. In other words a decisive victory and putting back another border poll for a generation. Why is this does anyone know ?" Firstly, 46% isn't 60%. That would make a big difference. Secondly, around 11% are undecided. Which means when push comes to shove they will vote one way or the other which could still fall either way, so your dream isn't quite there yet.
Frankly, from a personal perspective I have a lot more in common with many unionists in the North who know right from wrong about the past than I do with many free state partitionists, who a bit like the Loyalists, enjoy the freedom they used to command and don't want to let anybody else have the same privileges as them. It certainly isn't without grey areas I'll give you that.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 17/04/2021 15:31:23
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Replying To royaldunne: "Off topic question. Why is there a large majority (more than unionists) or Protestant not wanting a United ire??
Seen a few polls now that say while a border poll would be wanted a United ire outcome is highly unlikely. Actually near 60% voting to remain in the union. In other words a decisive victory and putting back another border poll for a generation. Why is this does anyone know ?" Possibly because surveys will show that there are more people in the 6 counties who would neither describe themselves as being Nationalist or Unionist than either of the two, and this number has been increasing steadily for past 20 years.
This may explain why Sinn Fein are pushing so hard at the moment for a border poll, because while the percentage of catholics has undoubtedly increased, this doesn't necessarily mean the percentage of Nationalists has, at the same rate.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 17/04/2021 15:42:50
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No Carlow Rising today.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1908 - 17/04/2021 15:49:16
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Replying To galwayford: "Did you ever notice the posters who are most negative about the GAA are the ones from counties who are really bad at it, eg Carlow, Limerick football." With reference to this post only galwayford, I sort of take a little bit of exception to it, I know you blow a little bit of hot and cold from time to time but overall you're a reasonable poster, so with that in mind I think it's a little bit unfair to suggest that Limerick and Carlow are really bad at gaa, In my view it's not that we're really bad it's just that the other counties are a bit better than us, so apologies accepted in advance.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 17/04/2021 15:51:57
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What is happening in our schools? Teachers afraid of to teach the truth about our history. They will teach all sorts of other nonsense. "The state of Northern Ireland" on a Gaa forum with 3 likes is just embarrassing
97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 320 - 17/04/2021 15:59:48
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With the upcoming Scottish election likely to reflect a big SNP vote, an independence referendum is again on the cards - with the outcome, most likely, for independence.
Hypothetically, in an effort to improve relations on these islands, if Ireland were to approach an independent Scotland in the creation of a Federal arrangement, would the North consider it desirable to join as well ? Any deal could have an Irish unity precedent component prior to agreement.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2584 - 17/04/2021 16:05:34
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Is there a case to be made here for reinstating the Red thumb, or is it advantage Green thumb'ssssssss
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 17/04/2021 16:07:01
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