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Replying To Sweetspot: "You're the one who said "none of these players are elite and should be treated like every other grassroutes player". So how is what the grassroutes players are doing irrelevant if we should be treating everyone the same?
I'm saying they're not every grassroutes player, these are players with responsibility as role models. If your issue is with people in general meeting up in small groups around the country for a kick about, I assure you, you may be all too familiar with the tragic scenes in the hospitals, but you're very far removed from the tragedy that is the mental health of today's youths.
Come down hard on the Shebeens and the lads having parties by all means. But if we're ostracising young lads doing no one any harm, meeting their friends for a non-contact, outdoors kick for the first time in god knows how long, we're in a worrying place indeed." They were probably training all along for heaven sake. And a kick about at 7 o clock in the morning?? With a coach taken the session?? Get a grip of yourself will ya
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THE lady captain of a Cork golf club has slammed the "selfish" Dubs and says nobody has been sneaking out to practice their drive during lockdown.
Sarah Jones from Raffeen Creek Golf Club accused the handful of Dessie Farrell's Dublin GAA team who broke Level 5 regulations for an early morning training session of not considering anyone else's sacrifices.
I can sort of see where this lady is coming from, as lady captain of her club she has a right to complain as she cant go and practice her drive as she sees fit to do, however I'm not sure if she is using the correct criteria to get her point across.
Like herself I play golf (badly) but I love it, 4 or 5 times a week I'm at it, like her good self I haven't hit a golf ball in 14 months or so until, - - -
A while back I was cutting the grass at the back of the house when I said to my self, wouldn't this area make a practice putting green, so to make a long story longer, I got a spade, stuck it in the ground, tied a bit of rope to it, attached it to the lawn mower, used it as a radial arm, went round and round, stopped had a look and said not bad at all. Got a bit of 4" pipe banged it into the ground, removed the inner bit and presto I now have a cup. I got a bit of pipe stuck it in the middle of the hole, now I have a flag pole. I got an old door mat for the side of the house where there is no grass, perfect for chipping in, chipping and putting solved. (still brutal though))
I have a long time friend, he's a Dub, I sent him a text and a photo of my project, what do you think I asked, he texted back and said, it's not complete until the pole has a flag, not important I texted back, it will do me. He texted back and said, I'll be passing your gaf Fri. morning early and I'll drop a package at your door, sure enough he did, I brought it in opened it up, what was it only a Dublin flag, a smallish one, for the flag pole he scribbled on the package, I put it on the flag pole and noticed he had put the number 7 with a marker, encompassed by a circle on the flag., 7th Heaven I said to my self.
A bit later on he asked me what I thought of the flag, no offence meant he said, none taken I said, but what was the significance of the 7 I asked, look at the bottom of the flag he said, I looked and there was "in a row" in small print, Dublin humor, where would you get it.
I suppose I could have taken offence, but he didn't mean to be offensive so why should I go looking for it.
Going back to the Lady captain, she's entitled to be aggrieved at not being able to practice her drive, however like the rest of us she will have to wait for a few days 'till the lock down has lifted, other than that she could get in touch with her local TD or ministerial department.
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Replying To oso: "No jimbo it's not just irresponsible, it was breaking the rules and it was conceited and calculated at 7am.
As a frontline Doctor all through all of this I am sick of listening to self serving GAA "personalities" trying to influence things and call the shots. What the likes of Oisin McConville for instance says about this is irrelevant, its self serving and he is totally irrelevant on this matter.
Dessie Farrell is in a position of responsibility, he has seen what has gone before and the suspensions handed down to Down and Cork. The Dublin County board will also have known about this, Dessie didn't organise this on his own. Everyone involved should resign, end off. Its inexcusable. If myself of any of my professional colleagues behaved in such a manner we'd be the subject of a severe professional conduct investigate and medical defence unions would be involved.
Guys let's get a perspective on this, the GAA is an amateur organisation and these guys are trying to dress themselves up as 'elite' athletes and expect to be treated differently as a result. If they wanted to excel at a sport and be considered 'elite' then they should have chosen a professional sport, not one where the opportunities available to them and the potential they can reach are ultimately determined by the post code they were born in. None of these guys are 'elite' so let's treat them like every other grass roots GAA player.
The very people pedalling this nonsense and trying to excuse it are the parasites of the GAA. Ex players still trying to be relevant and make some form of living in monetary gains off the back of their playing career.
There is no excuse and anything other than resignation from all involved is an embarassment!!" Well said and of course just time time last year Italian nurses were literally choosing who to save and who to let die. A horrendous unimaginable situation, I'm not sure how they could ever be right again.
I hate when people compare the dublin lads to young lads kicking a ball with friends on a green or park. It was an organised county session on a gaa pitch. Men and women all over the country have worked tirelessly to keep their club grounds safe and prevent gatherings. Fenton and co have just made their jobs a hell of a lot harder
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Everyone and their auntie is having their say. Makes me wonder how Cork & down got away so lighly where the media are concerned. However Frank Browne above in Roscommon has little to be upset about and all that's going on up at Hyde Park. Settle petal.
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Replying To 97Cavans: "Well said and of course just time time last year Italian nurses were literally choosing who to save and who to let die. A horrendous unimaginable situation, I'm not sure how they could ever be right again.
I hate when people compare the dublin lads to young lads kicking a ball with friends on a green or park. It was an organised county session on a gaa pitch. Men and women all over the country have worked tirelessly to keep their club grounds safe and prevent gatherings. Fenton and co have just made their jobs a hell of a lot harder" It's actually quite common for hospitals to choose who lives and who dies, believe it or not, or are you one of these people believe that everyone gets exactly the same attention in hospital, whatever their prognosis.
Reminds me of this time last year, when people were aghast at the sight of body bags in morgues, because, well, of course there were no body bags in morgues before covid.
Thankfully over the past year people have begun to see covid for what it is, an overhyped scare tactic, inflated by dodgy death diagnosis practices, and a grim focus on case numbers, the vast, vast, majority of which cause no harm.
Like I said, I hope the galway lads are training too, don't wanna be left behind guys.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1698 - 05/04/2021 13:02:22
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Replying To Galway9801: "No contradiction at all, there's a big difference between taking precautions and enforcing lockdown on a population.
This whole "variant" thing is gas too. Last year, when covid hit, it was treated as the biggest crisis in centuries, but now, new variants are what we should REALLY be afraid of, eh? What these experts are saying effectively, is, "hey, remember virus that came in 2020, well that actually wasn't that bad,, but these new variants of it,, these you should definitely be scared of". You hear so much talk about conspiracy theorists, tinfoil hats etc,, but realistically, what kind of idiot isn't at least a wee bit sceptical at this stage.
Besides, no doubt another variant will emerge soon that's resistant to the vaccine and the likes of you will run for cover all over again." Well a lockdown is only a precaution, specifically a precautionary measure to prevent the health system from becoming overloaded and collapsing, not a measure that is supposed to eradicate the virus, certainly not in an open economy anyway. The whole idea of it is to help slow the spread of the virus,
I'm sure you have heard the term "flatten the curve", added to that are some more simple precautions like regular hand washing, wearing of masks and social distancing etc.
You must remember that the first lockdown in Irish Republic was very successful, Covid-19 was virtually eliminated, last June and July daily numbers were probably in single digits.
So what happened then, remember the "open the pubs" brigade and the blatant flouting of the law by some publicans, this is just one small example as we could write a book about it. The bottom line is not everyone was behaving themselves, including the government who bent to lobby groups, and the numbers started to spiral out of control again. Too many people like yourself who are unable or unwilling to understand, pure and utter selfishness, thinking of their own pleasures in life and to hell with everyone else.
All I can say to you is try and educate yourself and don't be fooled by conspiracy theorists, they'll have you believe the earth is flat soon.
And spare a thought for the hard working frontline workers, the people who have died and the grieving families, before you casually dismiss the virus as something that's "harmless to almost everyone".
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Replying To Galway9801: "It's actually quite common for hospitals to choose who lives and who dies, believe it or not, or are you one of these people believe that everyone gets exactly the same attention in hospital, whatever their prognosis.
Reminds me of this time last year, when people were aghast at the sight of body bags in morgues, because, well, of course there were no body bags in morgues before covid.
Thankfully over the past year people have begun to see covid for what it is, an overhyped scare tactic, inflated by dodgy death diagnosis practices, and a grim focus on case numbers, the vast, vast, majority of which cause no harm.
Like I said, I hope the galway lads are training too, don't wanna be left behind guys." You should watch some documentaries. Italian hospitals wards were so overcrowded that they didnt have enough staff/time to treat their patients, meaning many died who could have been saved, if they had access to treatment. This meant that doctors and nurses were having to choose who to save based on age, family and other personal circumstances
97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 316 - 05/04/2021 13:28:11
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Replying To oso: "Maybe you're the one needs enlightened. Perhaps if you'd been on the front line all through this and witnessed people dying from something which was largely preventable of everyone had followed the 'rules' you'd feel differently.
Perhaps if you had to sit patients and their parents down and tell them they can't have their operations because we have no theatre capacity as icu has spilled over into recovery, perhaps then you'd be enlightened!!
Quoting whatever figures you want about starvation serves nothing. If you feel strongly enough about it however go an do something about it, make a difference. But to blatantly disregard rules, to flout the rules that the rest of us are abiding by and to try to excuse it is not acceptable. We wouldnt even be at this stage if everyone could have abided by the rules from the outset.
Your post is 'enlightening' indeed, still after all that's happened." I dont think anybody on here is responsible for the NHS being understaffed or under facilitated. Something I'm sure you were aware of before you put in all those years of study. I have great respect for the work done over the last year by medical professionals. I stood and applauded them every Thursday when that was a thing. Most people I know did follow the rules and stayed indoors, myself included.
However, the major covid errors came from the same people that has our hospitals a mess, government. They didn't close ports, they couldn't work together as an Island to get through the worst, and THEIR double standards regarding funerals/golf outings etc sent a clear message that covid only seems to apply to the masses and not the elite.
The people you are pointing the finger at have lost their jobs or are getting a percentage of what they used to get and have to sit in a house all day with nothing but their own anxiety to deal with. Suicides and mental health issues are through the roof. So you're not the only people who are going through a tough time!
Call the GAA whatever you want but if it wasn't for the initiative of so many members during the crisis, volunteering to help the elderly with shopping, zoom fitness classes/drills for youngsters etc we would be in a worse place again.
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Replying To Galway9801: "It's actually quite common for hospitals to choose who lives and who dies, believe it or not, or are you one of these people believe that everyone gets exactly the same attention in hospital, whatever their prognosis.
Reminds me of this time last year, when people were aghast at the sight of body bags in morgues, because, well, of course there were no body bags in morgues before covid.
Thankfully over the past year people have begun to see covid for what it is, an overhyped scare tactic, inflated by dodgy death diagnosis practices, and a grim focus on case numbers, the vast, vast, majority of which cause no harm.
Like I said, I hope the galway lads are training too, don't wanna be left behind guys." I can not believe this post was approved by any form of forum moderation.
You, my friend are part of the problem with that attitude. Ignorance and arrogance in the extreme. Absolutely shocking.
oso (Antrim) - Posts: 168 - 05/04/2021 13:42:58
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Replying To Galway9801: "It's actually quite common for hospitals to choose who lives and who dies, believe it or not, or are you one of these people believe that everyone gets exactly the same attention in hospital, whatever their prognosis.
Reminds me of this time last year, when people were aghast at the sight of body bags in morgues, because, well, of course there were no body bags in morgues before covid.
Thankfully over the past year people have begun to see covid for what it is, an overhyped scare tactic, inflated by dodgy death diagnosis practices, and a grim focus on case numbers, the vast, vast, majority of which cause no harm.
Like I said, I hope the galway lads are training too, don't wanna be left behind guys." It is depressing that people can have this kind of attitude. It is clear that you havent seen much of the virus and it's effects, but it is sad to see that people refuse to listen to those who have, and generally dont look beyond their own noses, and seem to be proud of that fact. There are guys here arguing with medical professionals about a virus - how did we get to be so totally lacking in self-awareness, and so self-important to boot?
I agree with the sentiment that gaa people arguing the case here is like turkeys voting for christmas. Nobody gives a sh*t what senan connell or pat spillane or any of these lads think on the matter. They are all peddling the same party line anyway. Similarly, the dublin county board handing out their own ban was a blatant 'its dealt with now, move on and dont ask any more questions' tactic. The gaa should investigate to see how much of this has gone on and how many people knew and punish those involved.
HardCase (USA) - Posts: 64 - 05/04/2021 13:56:02
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Replying To Galway9801: "It's actually quite common for hospitals to choose who lives and who dies, believe it or not, or are you one of these people believe that everyone gets exactly the same attention in hospital, whatever their prognosis.
Reminds me of this time last year, when people were aghast at the sight of body bags in morgues, because, well, of course there were no body bags in morgues before covid.
Thankfully over the past year people have begun to see covid for what it is, an overhyped scare tactic, inflated by dodgy death diagnosis practices, and a grim focus on case numbers, the vast, vast, majority of which cause no harm.
Like I said, I hope the galway lads are training too, don't wanna be left behind guys." Hope we can get to funerals soon too
Irishcelt (Wicklow) - Posts: 149 - 05/04/2021 14:02:25
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I suppose it comes with the territory when you are associated with Dublin teams; that you will get a lot of good and bad publicity. I'm not sure that too many people were aware that Down and Cork had been suspended for ignoring the covid guidelines, in much the same way as Dublin have done. It certainly wasn't given the same amount of coverage in the media but as I say, with publicity, it can go both ways depending on the circumstances. I'm not sure that Dessie Farrell knew that these lads were training as has been reported. Equally, I'm not clear if it was members of the first team, players like Fenton, Kilkenny etc - it doesn't seem from the pictures that these guys were training. I would assume that the players involved with get a suspension and Dublin may lose some of their home league games whenever the league is played. There seems to a level of annoyance within the GAA that both hurling and football lost their elite status after last year's All Ireland series. I, for one, don't necessarily blame the government on this one, I think GAA HQ were getting nervous being labelled elite as it was based upon professional status in soccer and rugby. After all, we all know that at intercounty level all these players and background teams are amateurs, doing for the love of their county.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 05/04/2021 14:07:12
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Replying To Galway9801: "It's actually quite common for hospitals to choose who lives and who dies, believe it or not, or are you one of these people believe that everyone gets exactly the same attention in hospital, whatever their prognosis.
Reminds me of this time last year, when people were aghast at the sight of body bags in morgues, because, well, of course there were no body bags in morgues before covid.
Thankfully over the past year people have begun to see covid for what it is, an overhyped scare tactic, inflated by dodgy death diagnosis practices, and a grim focus on case numbers, the vast, vast, majority of which cause no harm.
Like I said, I hope the galway lads are training too, don't wanna be left behind guys." Big bad Covid, by all means respect it, but there are more life threatening diseases than Covid out there and people have to live with them. I like yourself would be disappointed if county teams weren't training when other sports are.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2006 - 05/04/2021 14:11:59
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Replying To oso: "It is irrelevant that young people may flout these rules on a daily basis. Do your backside, get off your backside and go out and educate them.
But using that analogy to condone a high profile team and organisation breaking the rules is daft.
Have you seen what's happening in Eastern Europe and France right now??
The problem with our society and why we are in this very position is very obvious on this thread. Anyone who doesn't get that at this stage really should be considered irrelevant when they speak on the subject of covid.
I wonder how many gaa managers at various levels up and down the country are pedalling this nonsense as they are out of pocket right now. Oh yeah that's right, we are an amateur organisation and club coaches and managers don't get paid. Self serving and embarassing." What about this wahat about that! Down here we have hospital CEO's having tgeir families vaccinated. We have s CEO in a private hospital ringing his kids school teachers in private school in different county to use state vaccines. We have 33,000 admin staff in HSE most working from home all vaccinated ahead of vulnearable patients. As far as I am aware none refused the jab. So dont talk about frontline health care as if it is a member of some sacred order. They are human like the rest of us, no difference between the que jumpers in healthcare and thieves, sorry to burst that bubble. If most of the vulnerable are vaccinated it won't matter as much. As for the kick about another excuse to have a dig. I actually agree with most of what you say but 5k restrictions, peoples businesses not operating for 14 months, the shocking deaths in nursing homes. When the report in pandemic is finally complete, a dignificant amount of those in health care will stand condemned, and I bet hardly a mention will be made of 9 players at a kick about.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 05/04/2021 14:50:22
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Replying To Galway9801: "It's actually quite common for hospitals to choose who lives and who dies, believe it or not, or are you one of these people believe that everyone gets exactly the same attention in hospital, whatever their prognosis.
Reminds me of this time last year, when people were aghast at the sight of body bags in morgues, because, well, of course there were no body bags in morgues before covid.
Thankfully over the past year people have begun to see covid for what it is, an overhyped scare tactic, inflated by dodgy death diagnosis practices, and a grim focus on case numbers, the vast, vast, majority of which cause no harm.
Like I said, I hope the galway lads are training too, don't wanna be left behind guys." Wow, unreal attitude. I think you should have a protest if you believe all that...
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Replying To Galway9801: "It's actually quite common for hospitals to choose who lives and who dies, believe it or not, or are you one of these people believe that everyone gets exactly the same attention in hospital, whatever their prognosis.
Reminds me of this time last year, when people were aghast at the sight of body bags in morgues, because, well, of course there were no body bags in morgues before covid.
Thankfully over the past year people have begun to see covid for what it is, an overhyped scare tactic, inflated by dodgy death diagnosis practices, and a grim focus on case numbers, the vast, vast, majority of which cause no harm.
Like I said, I hope the galway lads are training too, don't wanna be left behind guys." Overhyped scare tactic? Really?
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 05/04/2021 16:44:39
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Replying To oso: "No jimbo it's not just irresponsible, it was breaking the rules and it was conceited and calculated at 7am.
As a frontline Doctor all through all of this I am sick of listening to self serving GAA "personalities" trying to influence things and call the shots. What the likes of Oisin McConville for instance says about this is irrelevant, its self serving and he is totally irrelevant on this matter.
Dessie Farrell is in a position of responsibility, he has seen what has gone before and the suspensions handed down to Down and Cork. The Dublin County board will also have known about this, Dessie didn't organise this on his own. Everyone involved should resign, end off. Its inexcusable. If myself of any of my professional colleagues behaved in such a manner we'd be the subject of a severe professional conduct investigate and medical defence unions would be involved.
Guys let's get a perspective on this, the GAA is an amateur organisation and these guys are trying to dress themselves up as 'elite' athletes and expect to be treated differently as a result. If they wanted to excel at a sport and be considered 'elite' then they should have chosen a professional sport, not one where the opportunities available to them and the potential they can reach are ultimately determined by the post code they were born in. None of these guys are 'elite' so let's treat them like every other grass roots GAA player.
The very people pedalling this nonsense and trying to excuse it are the parasites of the GAA. Ex players still trying to be relevant and make some form of living in monetary gains off the back of their playing career.
There is no excuse and anything other than resignation from all involved is an embarassment!!" Spot on.
The GAA community as a whole have come out of this COVID situation appallingly over the past year, the nadir being the All Ireland Champions blatantly breaking the rules only hours after an explicit reminder not to.
GAA players are not elite athletes.
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Replying To Galway9801: "It's actually quite common for hospitals to choose who lives and who dies, believe it or not, or are you one of these people believe that everyone gets exactly the same attention in hospital, whatever their prognosis.
Reminds me of this time last year, when people were aghast at the sight of body bags in morgues, because, well, of course there were no body bags in morgues before covid.
Thankfully over the past year people have begun to see covid for what it is, an overhyped scare tactic, inflated by dodgy death diagnosis practices, and a grim focus on case numbers, the vast, vast, majority of which cause no harm.
Like I said, I hope the galway lads are training too, don't wanna be left behind guys." You wonder how Covid cases could still remain so high after such a long lockdown ... and then you see that there are people with character such as yours in this country. Hopefully you get what you deserve.
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On another point just on outdoor activity "Just one confirmed case of Covid-19 in every thousand is traced to outdoor transmission, new figures reveal." With the Irish Times showing "Outdoor transmission accounts for 0.1% of State's Covid-19 cases" So all this shaming of people gathering outdoors is pointless, it is unfair and of course totally unscientific. I cannot think of a safer, better way of surviving this lockdown than being outdoors, better still if outdoor activity is controlled.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 05/04/2021 18:42:17
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Replying To Saynothing: "Big bad Covid, by all means respect it, but there are more life threatening diseases than Covid out there and people have to live with them. I like yourself would be disappointed if county teams weren't training when other sports are." I expect to see county training when other GAA folk are allowed to train. Is county more important than club players?- I think not.
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