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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "The advance mark should be done away with... it's a joke. Think about it.. a forward gets a free in for catching the ball...! Is that not he is on the field to do..? Bonkers"
Well if it was over the head I would nt mind so much but you can claim a mark for catching the ball into your chest also.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3673 - 28/02/2021 14:00:20    2333072

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Exactly. There are plenty more of those types of decisions ForeverBlue. I shook my head when I looked at the one about joint captains. Does that decision apply at club? As you already said, bonkers !!!!"
What's deemed a Clear goal scoring opportunity. Different Refs different decisions, same as black card. Backs penalised again just like the advanced mark.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2005 - 28/02/2021 14:07:18    2333073

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Replying To Saynothing:  "What's deemed a Clear goal scoring opportunity. Different Refs different decisions, same as black card. Backs penalised again just like the advanced mark."
A visually impaired person on a galloping horse could see at least six cases in 2020 of a goal opportunity being denied. Like the player soloing in on goal and being rugby tackled from behind. In one case tripped with a hurley. Are you suggesting that because different referees might interpret it different that this should be allowed ? If decisions are made incorrectly there is a process for that called referee assessment with the purpose of training or if blatant continuous ignoring the rules, removal.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 28/02/2021 14:44:18    2333080

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Replying To Saynothing:  "What's deemed a Clear goal scoring opportunity. Different Refs different decisions, same as black card. Backs penalised again just like the advanced mark."
Exactly. Is it going to be a measurable distance from goal that determines the decision?

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 28/02/2021 15:23:33    2333085

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Replying To Saynothing:  "What's deemed a Clear goal scoring opportunity. Different Refs different decisions, same as black card. Backs penalised again just like the advanced mark."
After almost 11 years Joe Sheridan has been vindicated. Excellent news.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1061 - 28/02/2021 15:43:12    2333086

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "The advance mark should be done away with... it's a joke. Think about it.. a forward gets a free in for catching the ball...! Is that not he is on the field to do..? Bonkers"
If it was that easy though you would expect dozens of them every day our, I'd say last years championship averaged no more than 2 per game.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 28/02/2021 15:48:36    2333087

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Replying To Canuck:  "A visually impaired person on a galloping horse could see at least six cases in 2020 of a goal opportunity being denied. Like the player soloing in on goal and being rugby tackled from behind. In one case tripped with a hurley. Are you suggesting that because different referees might interpret it different that this should be allowed ? If decisions are made incorrectly there is a process for that called referee assessment with the purpose of training or if blatant continuous ignoring the rules, removal."
Every Sunday Game show on a Sunday night had different opinion on the black card . Refs have enough to do without having to decide whether it's a goal scoring opportunity or not. Maybe they want to go down the VAR route, hope not.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2005 - 28/02/2021 17:44:52    2333104

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Every Sunday Game show on a Sunday night had different opinion on the black card . Refs have enough to do without having to decide whether it's a goal scoring opportunity or not. Maybe they want to go down the VAR route, hope not."
I am not much for black cards or sin bins. If a player denies a scoring chance punish it on the score board. Giving a score might be taking it too far but by returning the opportunity with a penalty will deter the foul play and if that is on the half way line so be it.
Here is my problem with the sin bin and black card. A team is winning by two points with a minute to go. An opposition player gets the ball 30 or 40 meters out with clear path to goal or a team mate closer to goal unmarked, do you not think for a second that a defender will worry about a card or a sin bin ? If he knows a penalty is the result with a 90% chance o a goal he will think twice about dragging down. He may still do it but the result will be a fair result.
There should be limited chance of error if the referee consults with the two lines men and the two umpires. In all five officials that at least two should agree on allowing that some might have missed it. The referees are left with too many call on their own with six other officials (total 7) on the field.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 28/02/2021 18:50:41    2333109

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Replying To Canuck:  "I am not much for black cards or sin bins. If a player denies a scoring chance punish it on the score board. Giving a score might be taking it too far but by returning the opportunity with a penalty will deter the foul play and if that is on the half way line so be it.
Here is my problem with the sin bin and black card. A team is winning by two points with a minute to go. An opposition player gets the ball 30 or 40 meters out with clear path to goal or a team mate closer to goal unmarked, do you not think for a second that a defender will worry about a card or a sin bin ? If he knows a penalty is the result with a 90% chance o a goal he will think twice about dragging down. He may still do it but the result will be a fair result.
There should be limited chance of error if the referee consults with the two lines men and the two umpires. In all five officials that at least two should agree on allowing that some might have missed it. The referees are left with too many call on their own with six other officials (total 7) on the field."
Aye but it's not black or white. It's takes into account what someone thinks is or isn't. Does who the player is being taken into account? Your best forward going through might be different from the full back. Too many ifs and buts. Wait till it happens against teams and then we'll see the fuss.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2005 - 28/02/2021 20:07:54    2333114

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Aye but it's not black or white. It's takes into account what someone thinks is or isn't. Does who the player is being taken into account? Your best forward going through might be different from the full back. Too many ifs and buts. Wait till it happens against teams and then we'll see the fuss."
It does not matter if it is your grand mother going for goal getting dragged down. Why because if the offender thought she would never score he would not commit the foul in the first place. There is a calculated decision to drag down knowing the consequences are less severe than allowing the chance. This is why a rule change is required to stop the steady increase in this behaviour and yes it always existing but also on the increase. I won't fuss if Graeme Mulcahy is pulled down by a Waterford back next year and a goal is scored from the penalty because that is the punishment. The same as in soccer if a player handles the ball in the area the world and his father knows it is a penalty.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 01/03/2021 00:42:52    2333127

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Replying To Canuck:  "I am not much for black cards or sin bins. If a player denies a scoring chance punish it on the score board. Giving a score might be taking it too far but by returning the opportunity with a penalty will deter the foul play and if that is on the half way line so be it.
Here is my problem with the sin bin and black card. A team is winning by two points with a minute to go. An opposition player gets the ball 30 or 40 meters out with clear path to goal or a team mate closer to goal unmarked, do you not think for a second that a defender will worry about a card or a sin bin ? If he knows a penalty is the result with a 90% chance o a goal he will think twice about dragging down. He may still do it but the result will be a fair result.
There should be limited chance of error if the referee consults with the two lines men and the two umpires. In all five officials that at least two should agree on allowing that some might have missed it. The referees are left with too many call on their own with six other officials (total 7) on the field."
Inevitably there will be some wrong calls. but the idea here is to change the behaviour and get rid or at least reduce the behaviour out of the game. Look at the rule in football, In general, it had improved but in the last 5 mins of a game players are taking wone for the team. the introduction of a penalty is the perfect deterrent in my opinion where the punishment is actually worse than the probable outcome of not committing the crime. Anyone that thinks cynical fowling does not occur in Hurling is sadly just deluding themselves.

indaknownow (Offaly) - Posts: 112 - 01/03/2021 09:39:24    2333135

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I cannot believe that the funding for Dublin has not been cut- it defies belief. When are we going to wake up and smell the chicken and ham roll on this issue? It is the proverbial elephant in the car and nobody wants the thing. Why is this happening to us?

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 01/03/2021 11:45:43    2333147

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Replying To tonguey:  "I cannot believe that the funding for Dublin has not been cut- it defies belief. When are we going to wake up and smell the chicken and ham roll on this issue? It is the proverbial elephant in the car and nobody wants the thing. Why is this happening to us?"
Can you name any congress ever where the funding given to individual counties was decided on? Why would they suddenly start apportioning funding at this year's congress?

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1642 - 01/03/2021 12:48:03    2333155

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "Can you name any congress ever where the funding given to individual counties was decided on? Why would they suddenly start apportioning funding at this year's congress?"
Where did I say it should be done at congress baby?? I did not say this so why do you? Oh I can predict your comeback isnt it. Why post on the congress thread then? The reason is because I wanted to and that's all that matters.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 01/03/2021 13:24:07    2333161

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "Can you name any congress ever where the funding given to individual counties was decided on? Why would they suddenly start apportioning funding at this year's congress?"
Where did I say it should be done at congress baby?? I did not say this so why do you? Oh I can predict your comeback isnt it. Why post on the congress thread then? The reason is because I wanted to and that's all that matters.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 01/03/2021 13:24:25    2333162

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