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Replying To P.Mckenna:  "It is great to see this thread on here. Too many times it had been contributors highlighting different betting odds for big games - I found this very frustrating as I know the absolute devastation that gambling has brought to families. Everything from broken marriages to the most awful of tragic outcomes. Get behind this HS."
I couldn't agree more with. It turned my stomach any time I saw people posting odds. This is no place for that.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1911 - 22/02/2021 13:52:21    2332437

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Replying To Bon:  "I couldn't agree more with. It turned my stomach any time I saw people posting odds. This is no place for that."
I have in the past mentioned the odds on certain matches, but I don't see what that has to do with, or how it would effect someone who is a gambling addict. Gambling is legal. The vast majority of people who have a bet and a flutter on sporting events don't have a problem with it. I'm all for banning all forms of advertising for gambling (and alcohol); but I can't see any harm, in mentioning the odds on matches on a forum like this. or more to the point, I don't see why I should be censored.

Someone mentioned pubs yesterday, and I replied "I really miss the pub (being open)". There's also a topic about Quinns pub in Dublin, with plenty of contributors. Should all references to pubs and drinking alcohol also be banned on here?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2477 - 22/02/2021 15:07:30    2332448

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "I have in the past mentioned the odds on certain matches, but I don't see what that has to do with, or how it would effect someone who is a gambling addict. Gambling is legal. The vast majority of people who have a bet and a flutter on sporting events don't have a problem with it. I'm all for banning all forms of advertising for gambling (and alcohol); but I can't see any harm, in mentioning the odds on matches on a forum like this. or more to the point, I don't see why I should be censored.

Someone mentioned pubs yesterday, and I replied "I really miss the pub (being open)". There's also a topic about Quinns pub in Dublin, with plenty of contributors. Should all references to pubs and drinking alcohol also be banned on here?"
I never mentioned pubs at all. As I mentioned earlier in the topic you can only drink so much until you fall down. Same can't be said for gambling unfortunately, you'd get cleaned out in a second.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1911 - 22/02/2021 17:08:39    2332465

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Replying To Bon:  "I never mentioned pubs at all. As I mentioned earlier in the topic you can only drink so much until you fall down. Same can't be said for gambling unfortunately, you'd get cleaned out in a second."
So true, scary how easy it is to be cleaned out.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 23/02/2021 21:56:28    2332584

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There are a lot of people who have problems when it comes to gambling endorsements in football. But rest assured that there are no issues when it comes to the business side because they properly vet them before they make them their shirt sponsor or any kind of partnership. When it comes to the big bets made, you can expect that the problem does not lie with the sites or casinos themselves because they are not forcing anyone to make the big bets. If you are not aware, there are many sites that ask you the requirements first before you go and bet. There are even some casinos like playslots which has become a solid hub for slot games.

KaitlynnDuff (Longford) - Posts: 17 - 01/03/2021 08:26:52    2333131

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Replying To KaitlynnDuff:  "There are a lot of people who have problems when it comes to gambling endorsements in football. But rest assured that there are no issues when it comes to the business side because they properly vet them before they make them their shirt sponsor or any kind of partnership. When it comes to the big bets made, you can expect that the problem does not lie with the sites or casinos themselves because they are not forcing anyone to make the big bets. If you are not aware, there are many sites that ask you the requirements first before you go and bet. There are even some casinos like playslots which has become a solid hub for slot games."
The only requirements betting sites seem to care about is your age. So long as your over 18 you can set up 20 accounts from different firms without question. Betting companies are very much part of the problem. When you win big they begin to restrict the amount you can bet. When you lose big they allow you to lose even more as many times as you want. It's not exactly providing a fair and ethical service for punters. A lot of the old school pro gamblers have packed it in because they can't find value or are being refused for winning too much. I agree that its each individual's choice when it comes to placing a bet but betting firms are allowed to operate in a manner that almost guarantees a return and guarantees a loss to the punter even if they happen to win big. There could be a lot of regulations brought in to balance the industry up a bit but that won't happen because government will be making fortunes off these companies. The average Joe on the street will always pay the price.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 01/03/2021 11:36:46    2333146

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "I have in the past mentioned the odds on certain matches, but I don't see what that has to do with, or how it would effect someone who is a gambling addict. Gambling is legal. The vast majority of people who have a bet and a flutter on sporting events don't have a problem with it. I'm all for banning all forms of advertising for gambling (and alcohol); but I can't see any harm, in mentioning the odds on matches on a forum like this. or more to the point, I don't see why I should be censored.

Someone mentioned pubs yesterday, and I replied "I really miss the pub (being open)". There's also a topic about Quinns pub in Dublin, with plenty of contributors. Should all references to pubs and drinking alcohol also be banned on here?"
Why bother mentioning gambling odds on games? What relevance has gambling to watching GAA matches? You shouldn't be censored from mentioning odds if you so wish but I don't see the logic in it at all. I would reckon that there are far more alcohol drinkers on this forum than people who gamble on games. I guess you have a point about it though in fairness.

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 01/03/2021 11:57:48    2333150

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Its an industry that preys on people's vulnerability. Even tonight watching TV there was one Add break had two separate bookies advertisements on rte. No sport on at all and they are still pushing it at every opportunity.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1911 - 01/03/2021 21:59:38    2333234

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Replying To Bon:  "Its an industry that preys on people's vulnerability. Even tonight watching TV there was one Add break had two separate bookies advertisements on rte. No sport on at all and they are still pushing it at every opportunity."
It's not on when you hear ex GAA correspondent advertising betting in the North. They have the slogan " Do you want to bet" Disgusting when you know the damage it's doing to our young people, wives and children in a round about way. Bookers want it all and to hell with everyone.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2014 - 01/03/2021 22:47:33    2333238

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "The only requirements betting sites seem to care about is your age. So long as your over 18 you can set up 20 accounts from different firms without question. Betting companies are very much part of the problem. When you win big they begin to restrict the amount you can bet. When you lose big they allow you to lose even more as many times as you want. It's not exactly providing a fair and ethical service for punters. A lot of the old school pro gamblers have packed it in because they can't find value or are being refused for winning too much. I agree that its each individual's choice when it comes to placing a bet but betting firms are allowed to operate in a manner that almost guarantees a return and guarantees a loss to the punter even if they happen to win big. There could be a lot of regulations brought in to balance the industry up a bit but that won't happen because government will be making fortunes off these companies. The average Joe on the street will always pay the price."
Gamblers are suckers really,even the careful gamblers..you always hear from them when they win but never how much they gambled and lost on the way yo that win.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 02/03/2021 00:03:56    2333242

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "Gamblers are suckers really,even the careful gamblers..you always hear from them when they win but never how much they gambled and lost on the way yo that win."
Overall I would agree with you. Anyone gambling serious money on a regular basis is on a road to nowhere. It's been proven over time. Personally, I do a fiver bet on the weekend soccer fixtures so I guess you could call me a 'gambler' technically. I see it as a bit of harmless fun. I know my limits. I won't miss the fiver when I lose most weeks but I do enjoy the fixtures a bit more when I'm cheering on random teams that I usually wouldn't have any other reason to do so. Maybe the Masters or the odd boxing event throughout the year too. I never bet big or feel the need to bet for the sake of it.

At the same time i understand a lot of people struggle to stick to their limits and end up chasing a high from winning. I do take issue with gambling companies and legislation for encouraging this type of gambler. The whole 'please gamble responsibly' is just another example of an empty slogan thrown into the public domain to make it look as though action is being taken on a serious matter. If they were so concerned they could start by cutting back on the volume of ads. But we all know money talks loudest.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 02/03/2021 13:36:41    2333295

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Thought it was amusing seeing Betfair releasing a statement over the Gordon Elliott controversy seeking to take some sort of moral high ground. Self-awareness severely lacking....

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9136 - 03/03/2021 09:43:04    2333375

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It does more damage than good. If the gambling industry collapsed it wouldn't be a bad thing

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 20/12/2021 13:48:03    2393324

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Replying To galwayfball:  "It does more damage than good. If the gambling industry collapsed it wouldn't be a bad thing"
I agree with you, but I'm afraid there will alway be gambling whether legal or illegal.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 20/12/2021 14:18:58    2393328

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Yes, gambling is a scurge but at the end of the day people are responsible for their own actions. It seems people are devoid of any personal responsibility these days... you only have to look around you with Covid... people are being asked to do simple things to protect themselves & others (such as wear a mask) which causes all sorts of consternation and idiotic behaviour (masks being wore under noses etc). Would I support a ban on gambling? No. Would I support tighter regulations? Yes perhaps to protect those who are incapable of protecting themselves.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 844 - 20/12/2021 15:42:35    2393338

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "Overall I would agree with you. Anyone gambling serious money on a regular basis is on a road to nowhere. It's been proven over time. Personally, I do a fiver bet on the weekend soccer fixtures so I guess you could call me a 'gambler' technically. I see it as a bit of harmless fun. I know my limits. I won't miss the fiver when I lose most weeks but I do enjoy the fixtures a bit more when I'm cheering on random teams that I usually wouldn't have any other reason to do so. Maybe the Masters or the odd boxing event throughout the year too. I never bet big or feel the need to bet for the sake of it.

At the same time i understand a lot of people struggle to stick to their limits and end up chasing a high from winning. I do take issue with gambling companies and legislation for encouraging this type of gambler. The whole 'please gamble responsibly' is just another example of an empty slogan thrown into the public domain to make it look as though action is being taken on a serious matter. If they were so concerned they could start by cutting back on the volume of ads. But we all know money talks loudest."
"Please gamble responsilby" and its never been as easy to place a bet. Its one of the biggest scourges in Irish Society. And its constantly pushed into your face on TV and online.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1911 - 20/12/2021 15:50:14    2393339

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "Overall I would agree with you. Anyone gambling serious money on a regular basis is on a road to nowhere. It's been proven over time. Personally, I do a fiver bet on the weekend soccer fixtures so I guess you could call me a 'gambler' technically. I see it as a bit of harmless fun. I know my limits. I won't miss the fiver when I lose most weeks but I do enjoy the fixtures a bit more when I'm cheering on random teams that I usually wouldn't have any other reason to do so. Maybe the Masters or the odd boxing event throughout the year too. I never bet big or feel the need to bet for the sake of it.

At the same time i understand a lot of people struggle to stick to their limits and end up chasing a high from winning. I do take issue with gambling companies and legislation for encouraging this type of gambler. The whole 'please gamble responsibly' is just another example of an empty slogan thrown into the public domain to make it look as though action is being taken on a serious matter. If they were so concerned they could start by cutting back on the volume of ads. But we all know money talks loudest."
Yeah money talks alright but gambled money usually says goodbye!

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 20/12/2021 15:54:37    2393340

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Replying To Square_B:  "Yes, gambling is a scurge but at the end of the day people are responsible for their own actions. It seems people are devoid of any personal responsibility these days... you only have to look around you with Covid... people are being asked to do simple things to protect themselves & others (such as wear a mask) which causes all sorts of consternation and idiotic behaviour (masks being wore under noses etc). Would I support a ban on gambling? No. Would I support tighter regulations? Yes perhaps to protect those who are incapable of protecting themselves."
Again with you no thought for others. So people can go to hell in a cart according to you if they have a problem with gambling. Gambling is pushed into the faces of people from teens up. You only have to go to your local shop and the scratch cards are nicely placed at the checkout. To me it does more harm than drink and smoking . It has no place on jerseys or sports events.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2014 - 20/12/2021 18:49:33    2393355

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There's a good reason the muslims are so against gambling and their women cover themselves up, think they are also against drink, the three things that have ruined most men's lives. there is some sense to these religions after all. maybe that's why they exist, to keep order.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2749 - 20/12/2021 19:14:45    2393361

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Replying To Bon:  ""Please gamble responsilby" and its never been as easy to place a bet. Its one of the biggest scourges in Irish Society. And its constantly pushed into your face on TV and online."
There's nothing wrong with betting but the majority of bettors are going to be punished with lots of new restrictions due to the inability of a minority to exercise self-restraint and an undoubted greed that is threatening to kill the industry on the part of the big books.

Horse racing and sports require at least some knowledge whereas the big boys are constantly targeting people to take part in online games of chance. Anyone who has ever had a good spell on the horses or sports will have gotten promotional emails and texts, usually at night, to try and tempt them to play some crock of gold nonsense or computer roulette.

That's what a lot of the advertising is aimed at although it seems to have lessened in last year during daytime racing so perhaps the bookies are copping on a bit. Having said that I rarely watch TV later so not sure about that.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2566 - 20/12/2021 21:06:52    2393370

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