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Kinsale beating Boherbue in the 2000 under 12 cork county final

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 150 - 07/04/2021 18:11:54    2336206

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "there were a few shocks in the Centenary Cup competition in 1984 and again in the Ford Cup the following year...Roscommon knocking out Wexford in hurling..is a big one...Monaghan reaching the final must have taken a few scalps along the way in 1984...a year before they won the league...."
Laois got to the hurling final of it. Beat Galway, Limerick and Tipp.

In the football. Westmeath beat Dublin. Derry beat Cork and Kerry.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 517 - 07/04/2021 21:12:37    2336217

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "Down actually had a good side back then, I dont want to go into names as I will probably be a few years out..Ime thinking Noel Sands maybe and a few others, some lethal free takers down had around that time...Ulster hurling wasnt too bad at that time, Antrim, Down and Derry were always worthy of respect in League especially and put in decent performances in Croke park too and fell short unluckily on some occasions.."
Yes, Noel Sands was one of their star players. I was at the semi-finals in 1992 when Down played Cork and Gerard McGrattan gave an exhibition at wing forward. He scored a series of phenomenal points and I think he was selected as an all-star replacement that year. Greg Blaney was also on that team.

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 851 - 07/04/2021 21:20:03    2336220

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Replying To Gaillimh_Abu:  "Yes, Noel Sands was one of their star players. I was at the semi-finals in 1992 when Down played Cork and Gerard McGrattan gave an exhibition at wing forward. He scored a series of phenomenal points and I think he was selected as an all-star replacement that year. Greg Blaney was also on that team."
I actually seen Gerard McGrattans name there the other night and straight away remembered him..he was a great player as was Blayney..McGrattan name is down for a lead scorer in the NHL from back around one of those years too...I seen A D Woods on one of the Down teams too, and see a Woods on the team too that beat Offaly in the Christy RIng cup semi final there last Autumn..not a betting man but Ide guess he is a son of the D Woods of the 1990s...probably..

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 587 - 07/04/2021 22:48:51    2336223

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Replying To oneoff:  "Laois got to the hurling final of it. Beat Galway, Limerick and Tipp.

In the football. Westmeath beat Dublin. Derry beat Cork and Kerry."
I remember it was a very novel tournament being complete open draw..Offaly lost semi final (I think to Monaghan) ..and while I know some teams didnt participate most took it serious and it was a breath of fresh air...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 587 - 07/04/2021 22:52:36    2336224

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Replying To oneoff:  "Laois got to the hurling final of it. Beat Galway, Limerick and Tipp.

In the football. Westmeath beat Dublin. Derry beat Cork and Kerry."
I remember a few of these games... Ford Centenary Cup 1984...Hurling
Match Date Venue Team Score Team Score
Preliminary Round April 15 Portaferry Westmeath 2-14 Down 1-10
Preliminary Round April 15 Athleague Roscommon 3-5 Wexford 2-7
1st Round April 28 Loughrea Galway 2-17 Dublin 0-8
1st Round April 29 Casement Park Waterford 3-12 Antrim 3-11
1st Round April 29 Newbridge Tipperary 5-20 Kildare 4-7
1st Round April 29 Borris-in-Ossory Laois 2-9 Limerick 2-8
1st Round April 29 Athleague Cork 3-18 Roscommon 1-8
1st Round April 29 Limerick Clare 4-10 Kerry 0-9
1st Round April 29 Aughrim Kilkenny 3-17 Wicklow 2-8
1st Round April 29 Mullingar Offaly 1-15 Westmeath 0-14
Quarter-final May 6 Semple Stadium Galway 3-14 Waterford 2-8
Quarter-final May 6 Nowlan Park Laois 1-17 Tipperary 4-7
Quarter-final May 6 Semple Stadium Cork 0-14 Clare 1-5
Quarter-final May 6 Croke Park Offaly 1-17 Kilkenny 2-11
Semi-final May 13 Semple Stadium Laois 5-7 Galway 4-9
Semi-final May 13 Semple Stadium Cork 1-15 Offaly 3-7
Final May 20 Croke Park Cork 2-21 Laois 1-9

Ford Centenary Cup Football
Match Date Venue Team Score Team Score
1st Round April 8 Ballybofey Kerry 0-11 Donegal 0-8
1st Round April 8 Pearse Park (aet) Longford 1-9 Down 0-11
1st Round April 8 Dr. Cullen Park Meath 4-10 Carlow 0-9
1st Round April 8 Aughrim Wicklow 1-10 Clare 0-7
1st Round April 8 Lurgan Wexford 3-3 Armagh 0-6
1st Round April 8 Cusack Park Westmeath 0-7 Dublin 0-5
1st Round April 8 Ballinascreen Derry 0-7 Cork 0-6
1st Round April 8 Emmet Park Monaghan 0-15 Limerick 1-8
1st Round April 8 Páirc Sheáin Mhic Dhiarmada Galway 1-9 Leitrim 1-7
1st Round April 8 Casement Park Fermanagh 0-10 Antrim 1-6
1st Round April 8 Drogheda Cavan 0-9 Louth 0-5
1st Round April 8 Markievicz Park Mayo 1-8 Sligo 1-5
1st Round April 8 Nowlan Park Roscommon 1-14 Kilkenny 0-7
1st Round April 8 Dungarvan Offaly 1-13 Waterford 2-6
1st Round April 8 Dungannon Tyrone 2-7 Kildare 0-10
1st Round April 8 Cahir Laois 0-11 Tipperary 0-8
2nd Round April 21 Tuam (aet) Derry 2-11 Kerry 1-13
2nd Round April 21 Tuam Galway 0-14 Longford 1-7
2nd Round April 29 Breffni Park (aet) Cavan 2-17 Roscommon 0-10
2nd Round April 29 Dungannon Offaly 0-12 Tyrone 0-11
2nd Round April 29 Portarlington Meath 1-9 Laois 1-6
2nd Round April 29 Irvinestown Wicklow 0-9 Fermanagh 1-5
2nd Round April 29 Ballina Monaghan 1-11 Mayo 0-6
2nd Round April 29 Wexford Park Wexford 3-10 Westmeath 0-4
Quarter-final May 6 Tullamore Meath 2-18 Galway 0-11
Quarter-final May 6 Newbridge Cavan 1-9 Wexford 1-7
Quarter-final May 6 Croke Park Monaghan 1-10 Offaly 0-10
Quarter-final May 6 Navan Derry 3-10 Wicklow 0-6
Semi-final May 13 Croke Park Meath 3-12 Cavan 0-8
Semi-final May 13 Croke Park Monaghan 0-22 Derry 2-11
Final May 20 Croke Park Meath 0-10 Monaghan 0-8

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 587 - 07/04/2021 22:58:39    2336225

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Replying To Gaillimh_Abu:  "Yes, Noel Sands was one of their star players. I was at the semi-finals in 1992 when Down played Cork and Gerard McGrattan gave an exhibition at wing forward. He scored a series of phenomenal points and I think he was selected as an all-star replacement that year. Greg Blaney was also on that team."
McGrattan won an actual all-star that year (1992) at no. 12. He was Down's first, and to date, only hurling all-star.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 206 - 08/04/2021 04:48:36    2336230

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "McGrattan won an actual all-star that year (1992) at no. 12. He was Down's first, and to date, only hurling all-star."
Derry came around that time too with some outstanding hurlers, Seamus Downey, Geoffrey McGonigle correct me if I am wrong would walk onto any county team even by todays changed standards...Derry had a few more too as had Down but without googling them they just dont come to mind right now...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 587 - 08/04/2021 09:57:12    2336248

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2020 Ulster final, Donegal had their eye on taking on the Dubs and slipped up against Cavan who then went on to get trounced by the Dubs.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1212 - 08/04/2021 10:22:25    2336253

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "I remember a few of these games... Ford Centenary Cup 1984...Hurling
Match Date Venue Team Score Team Score
Preliminary Round April 15 Portaferry Westmeath 2-14 Down 1-10
Preliminary Round April 15 Athleague Roscommon 3-5 Wexford 2-7
1st Round April 28 Loughrea Galway 2-17 Dublin 0-8
1st Round April 29 Casement Park Waterford 3-12 Antrim 3-11
1st Round April 29 Newbridge Tipperary 5-20 Kildare 4-7
1st Round April 29 Borris-in-Ossory Laois 2-9 Limerick 2-8
1st Round April 29 Athleague Cork 3-18 Roscommon 1-8
1st Round April 29 Limerick Clare 4-10 Kerry 0-9
1st Round April 29 Aughrim Kilkenny 3-17 Wicklow 2-8
1st Round April 29 Mullingar Offaly 1-15 Westmeath 0-14
Quarter-final May 6 Semple Stadium Galway 3-14 Waterford 2-8
Quarter-final May 6 Nowlan Park Laois 1-17 Tipperary 4-7
Quarter-final May 6 Semple Stadium Cork 0-14 Clare 1-5
Quarter-final May 6 Croke Park Offaly 1-17 Kilkenny 2-11
Semi-final May 13 Semple Stadium Laois 5-7 Galway 4-9
Semi-final May 13 Semple Stadium Cork 1-15 Offaly 3-7
Final May 20 Croke Park Cork 2-21 Laois 1-9

Ford Centenary Cup Football
Match Date Venue Team Score Team Score
1st Round April 8 Ballybofey Kerry 0-11 Donegal 0-8
1st Round April 8 Pearse Park (aet) Longford 1-9 Down 0-11
1st Round April 8 Dr. Cullen Park Meath 4-10 Carlow 0-9
1st Round April 8 Aughrim Wicklow 1-10 Clare 0-7
1st Round April 8 Lurgan Wexford 3-3 Armagh 0-6
1st Round April 8 Cusack Park Westmeath 0-7 Dublin 0-5
1st Round April 8 Ballinascreen Derry 0-7 Cork 0-6
1st Round April 8 Emmet Park Monaghan 0-15 Limerick 1-8
1st Round April 8 Páirc Sheáin Mhic Dhiarmada Galway 1-9 Leitrim 1-7
1st Round April 8 Casement Park Fermanagh 0-10 Antrim 1-6
1st Round April 8 Drogheda Cavan 0-9 Louth 0-5
1st Round April 8 Markievicz Park Mayo 1-8 Sligo 1-5
1st Round April 8 Nowlan Park Roscommon 1-14 Kilkenny 0-7
1st Round April 8 Dungarvan Offaly 1-13 Waterford 2-6
1st Round April 8 Dungannon Tyrone 2-7 Kildare 0-10
1st Round April 8 Cahir Laois 0-11 Tipperary 0-8
2nd Round April 21 Tuam (aet) Derry 2-11 Kerry 1-13
2nd Round April 21 Tuam Galway 0-14 Longford 1-7
2nd Round April 29 Breffni Park (aet) Cavan 2-17 Roscommon 0-10
2nd Round April 29 Dungannon Offaly 0-12 Tyrone 0-11
2nd Round April 29 Portarlington Meath 1-9 Laois 1-6
2nd Round April 29 Irvinestown Wicklow 0-9 Fermanagh 1-5
2nd Round April 29 Ballina Monaghan 1-11 Mayo 0-6
2nd Round April 29 Wexford Park Wexford 3-10 Westmeath 0-4
Quarter-final May 6 Tullamore Meath 2-18 Galway 0-11
Quarter-final May 6 Newbridge Cavan 1-9 Wexford 1-7
Quarter-final May 6 Croke Park Monaghan 1-10 Offaly 0-10
Quarter-final May 6 Navan Derry 3-10 Wicklow 0-6
Semi-final May 13 Croke Park Meath 3-12 Cavan 0-8
Semi-final May 13 Croke Park Monaghan 0-22 Derry 2-11
Final May 20 Croke Park Meath 0-10 Monaghan 0-8"
little did realise mentioning the Centenary cup games that the dates of the first round were exactly this day 37 (yes 37!!) years ago today...I was only 13...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 587 - 08/04/2021 12:36:30    2336293

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "2020 Ulster final, Donegal had their eye on taking on the Dubs and slipped up against Cavan who then went on to get trounced by the Dubs."
I suppose many would see it that way ok..it opens the question would possibly Cork (they did beat Kerry) or Donegal have caught Dublin then....most will say not but you never know..the bubble will burst sometime...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 587 - 08/04/2021 12:38:46    2336296

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "I suppose many would see it that way ok..it opens the question would possibly Cork (they did beat Kerry) or Donegal have caught Dublin then....most will say not but you never know..the bubble will burst sometime..."
Donegal might've caught the Dubs, we'll never know but Cork would've gotten a similar pasting as Cavan or Tipperary who are at roughly the same level as them about the 10th to 18th best teams in the country.

Donegal and Kerry both badly slipped up and this shows how a championship without the back door favours them. Give them a second against a Cavan/ Cork/ Tipp even my own county of Meath in the back door and they'd have waltzed back in. It shows that for all the talk of the extra game(s) for weaker counties all the back door does is give the top counties a second chance. They can have an off day and still make it to a final.

You'd have to highlight too that the dubs have win all of their 8 all irelands through the front door and haven't had a second chance since Meath put 5 past Cluxton in 2010

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1075 - 08/04/2021 12:49:35    2336300

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "I suppose many would see it that way ok..it opens the question would possibly Cork (they did beat Kerry) or Donegal have caught Dublin then....most will say not but you never know..the bubble will burst sometime..."
Donegal beat Dublin in the '92 final and the 2014 semi final, we are the last team to have beaten them in Championship,
we are a bit of a bogey team for them I suppose, can't say if we'd have beaten them last year, probably not, but I think we would have ran them a lot closer than Cavan did,
hopefully we might get a crack at the Dubs this year. Cork took Kerry out in a shock defeat too and I think Kerry would also have run Dublin very close last year, lesson is you have to beat what's in front of you and not be thinking of what might lay ahead, lessons learned in 2020 bigtime.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1212 - 08/04/2021 12:53:02    2336301

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