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There are a number of different factors, but a few key ones which make refereeing an easier job for a rugby ref:
1. Most of the action takes place around rucks which are slow moving, so the ref is right beside the action (the ball) much more regularly than a GAA ref. Even when a ball is booted up the pitch in rugby, the offside rule means the player catching it doesn't have an opponent beside him, so the ref is near the action again by the time the teams meet.
2. This and the nature of the game, mean a rugby ref has to blow the whistle far less regularly for foul play related incidents than in GAA. Opponents are really only coming into contact in rugby around the ball, as they're essentially on opposite sides of the ball for the whole match.
3. There is of course a better culture of respecting the ref in rugby, but the nature of the game lends itself to better decision making from refs, which helps immensely and leads to less frustration for players.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2038 - 11/02/2021 15:32:05
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Replying To WanPintWin: "There are a number of different factors, but a few key ones which make refereeing an easier job for a rugby ref:
1. Most of the action takes place around rucks which are slow moving, so the ref is right beside the action (the ball) much more regularly than a GAA ref. Even when a ball is booted up the pitch in rugby, the offside rule means the player catching it doesn't have an opponent beside him, so the ref is near the action again by the time the teams meet.
2. This and the nature of the game, mean a rugby ref has to blow the whistle far less regularly for foul play related incidents than in GAA. Opponents are really only coming into contact in rugby around the ball, as they're essentially on opposite sides of the ball for the whole match.
3. There is of course a better culture of respecting the ref in rugby, but the nature of the game lends itself to better decision making from refs, which helps immensely and leads to less frustration for players." Rugby is much harder considering the amount of potential infringements in specific areas of the game especially around the tackle/ruck.
Saying action around rucks are slow moving maybe some are but there is so much going on you have to consider actions of tackler, ball carrier and arriving players from both attacking and defensive sides.
Different laws covering actions of each of them
Do you have a link to show refs blow whistle far less regularly for foul play incidents?
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3504 - 11/02/2021 15:53:05
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Replying To KillingFields: "Rugby is much harder considering the amount of potential infringements in specific areas of the game especially around the tackle/ruck.
Saying action around rucks are slow moving maybe some are but there is so much going on you have to consider actions of tackler, ball carrier and arriving players from both attacking and defensive sides.
Different laws covering actions of each of them
Do you have a link to show refs blow whistle far less regularly for foul play incidents?" In terms of infringements blown by refs for foul play, I can look for numbers, but it's pretty apparent by following the games. A bad penalty count for a team in rugby is anything around 10. So in an extremely bad game, you'd be looking at 20 penalties in total. In reality, few games come near this count.
In intercounty GAA, free counts are regularly double this at around 40 frees, and that's in a game which is 10 minutes shorter.
Another advantage a rugby ref has is that infringements such as the tackle are much more clearly defined. In GAA, if the rules were strictly applied to the letter, there would actually be far more frees and they'd be castigated. As a result, refs are stuck between trying to apply the rules but also keep the game 'flowing'. They have an unenviable task. Pundits in rugby will generally always agree on whether a tackle was legitimate or not. In GAA the same isn't true. There is very much an element of interpretation when it comes to some tackles.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2038 - 11/02/2021 16:22:13
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Replying To WanPintWin: "In terms of infringements blown by refs for foul play, I can look for numbers, but it's pretty apparent by following the games. A bad penalty count for a team in rugby is anything around 10. So in an extremely bad game, you'd be looking at 20 penalties in total. In reality, few games come near this count.
In intercounty GAA, free counts are regularly double this at around 40 frees, and that's in a game which is 10 minutes shorter.
Another advantage a rugby ref has is that infringements such as the tackle are much more clearly defined. In GAA, if the rules were strictly applied to the letter, there would actually be far more frees and they'd be castigated. As a result, refs are stuck between trying to apply the rules but also keep the game 'flowing'. They have an unenviable task. Pundits in rugby will generally always agree on whether a tackle was legitimate or not. In GAA the same isn't true. There is very much an element of interpretation when it comes to some tackles." Do you have sources?
average penalties conceded in world cup rugby game has 22 according wales online artlce
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/official-statistics-tell-story-just-10624242
So bad penalty count of 10 per team is wrong.
Saying few games come near this is incorrect.
Rugby also has free kicks which arent of same level of punishment as a penalty which gaa doesnt have.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3504 - 11/02/2021 16:35:00
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Replying To WanPintWin: "In terms of infringements blown by refs for foul play, I can look for numbers, but it's pretty apparent by following the games. A bad penalty count for a team in rugby is anything around 10. So in an extremely bad game, you'd be looking at 20 penalties in total. In reality, few games come near this count.
In intercounty GAA, free counts are regularly double this at around 40 frees, and that's in a game which is 10 minutes shorter.
Another advantage a rugby ref has is that infringements such as the tackle are much more clearly defined. In GAA, if the rules were strictly applied to the letter, there would actually be far more frees and they'd be castigated. As a result, refs are stuck between trying to apply the rules but also keep the game 'flowing'. They have an unenviable task. Pundits in rugby will generally always agree on whether a tackle was legitimate or not. In GAA the same isn't true. There is very much an element of interpretation when it comes to some tackles." Putting rugby to one side. I can never understand this 'letting the game flow'. A referee's sole purpose is to ensure that the rules are adhered to, not to ' keep the game flowing'. If the powers that be (the GAA), are not happy with this, then they should look at changing the rules.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2454 - 11/02/2021 17:18:41
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Replying To gahfan: "I was impressed for so many reasons.
In the rugby......
1. No irish players surrounded the ref pleading with him.
2. Everyone was calm.
3. The correct decision was arrived at.
4. The player accepted the decision.
5. Management accepted the decision.
6. The irish commentators and analysts accepted the decision.
7. No talk of ruining the game, that he ruined it as a spectacle, that they are taking the manliness out of the game, of the player's great disciplinary record etc.
We could learn a lot from it." All good points and we could certainly learn from it, add no attempt to appeal the correct decision, look for loopholes to get him off any sanction.
A meaningful suspension (3 games) that fitted the crime, unlike the latest punishments handed out to county managers who flouted the no training rule, given suspensions that are totally meaningless as they will be served before GAA season returns.
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Putting rugby to one side. I can never understand this 'letting the game flow'. A referee's sole purpose is to ensure that the rules are adhered to, not to ' keep the game flowing'. If the powers that be (the GAA), are not happy with this, then they should look at changing the rules." A referee is there to allow a contest and that means not penalising everything as you see it dependent on the context of the game. some games will be different
You cant ever have a completely strict adherence to the rules as they are written in the rule book or you will open yourself to criticism if you dont pull certain things during games for one side or another
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3504 - 11/02/2021 22:09:44
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Putting rugby to one side. I can never understand this 'letting the game flow'. A referee's sole purpose is to ensure that the rules are adhered to, not to ' keep the game flowing'. If the powers that be (the GAA), are not happy with this, then they should look at changing the rules." The rules are there to prevent players from stopping the game from flowing. Its bonkers that referees get criticized for not letting the game flow when applying the rules designed to prevent players from doing just that. If players know that a ref will blow for everything then suddenly they don't seem to foul.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 12/02/2021 04:59:32
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Comparing GAA and rugby as games might be chalk and cheese.
What is also chalk and cheese is the attitude to the referee, and that is cultural rather than to do with the game.
I know 2 lads who play rugby and GAA. When one of them plays rugby, he never opens his mouth to the referee. On the GAA field, he is the greatest mouth piece I have ever played with and is ALWAYS moaning at the referee. Don't tell me that the reason for that isn't because he can get away with it on the GAA pitch and can't on the rugby pitch?
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 16/02/2021 16:30:00
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