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Oh I admire Cillian Liaw. I was just making a point to a poster that he d prefer him to Gooch cos Gooch is nt the all time top scorer. That's a silly statement. Also that poster was saying Gooch was playing against weak teams so I pointed out about New York and London. Gooch has scored 4.-33 in all Irelands alone. I did nt mean disrespect to Cillian who I admire and a brilliant score nó doubt. For me I would have many forwards ahead of him like Maurice Fitz Diarmuid Connolly and your own Ciarán McDonald but that's just my opinion and I might be wrong. I love war hing Cillian play and yes a true great player.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 02/02/2021 12:16:30 2330095 Link 0 |
Picking a team of 15 'supreme' players, in football or hurling, from the last 50 years is always going to be a difficult and subjective task. What usually catches peoples attention is not so much the players picked, but the ones left out. I think you could pick a second team, from the players omitted, in both codes, that would be just as good. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2478 - 02/02/2021 12:19:00 2330096 Link 1 |
Let's not forget the bould Gooch got a nice fat testimonial too. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 02/02/2021 12:38:04 2330102 Link 1 |
For sure Cockney. Also alot of us are biased towards our own as we ve seen them play more with their county and club. Also we tend to remember things done in big matches more so than the lesser games. However you are so right in what you say. If we picked a second team it would be just as good
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 02/02/2021 12:39:32 2330103 Link 0 |
Exactly. Also when it comes to teams like this, people can list 20 players that should be on the teams as well, but rarely name who they should replace. There's maybe half the team at most, that the vast majority would agree on. The rest are all up for debate.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2046 - 02/02/2021 13:01:31 2330106 Link 0 |
Nor would he have the stones to do it either. Still ye can't blame the Gooch for milking it while he could.
lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 02/02/2021 13:01:49 2330107 Link 1 |
Sure why don't you arrange one for him?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 02/02/2021 13:17:08 2330108 Link 1 |
The role of goalkeeper has changed from the 1970s to 1990s. Nowadays a goalkeeper's kick out is part of a team's tactics, the launchpad for attacks. In times past the full back usually kicked out the ball, to midfield, where the midfielders contested the ball, looking to start an attack. The keeper's primary role was to prevent scores. This is the primary function of the No 1 position, at all times Goalkeepers are free takers today, rarely happened in former times, when teams had specialised place kickers. Different eras require a different skill set for the goalies, while retaining their primary shot stopping role. Stephen Cluxton is a very good player of the modern game, but there were other excellent goalkeepers down the years, as there are today. MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 02/02/2021 18:25:55 2330154 Link 0 |
Was it Shane Curran ?, I thought the GAAs justification for bringing the kicking tee in for kickouts was because it was suspossed to save people damaging their ankles over time from repeatedly kicking the ball out ?
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1358 - 02/02/2021 22:08:11 2330186 Link 0 |
Who was right corner back (no. 4)?
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1358 - 02/02/2021 22:09:23 2330187 Link 0 |
He came up with the original design for them
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 03/02/2021 11:04:39 2330199 Link 0 |
Keith Higgins
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 03/02/2021 12:13:34 2330205 Link 6 |
Couldn't argue too much with this team, being honest you could probably pick another team with maybe only 2 of the 15 names (Jack O'Shea, best footballer of all time for me and Peter Canavan) and it would be equally valid for me, so many good names left out but nearly an impossible task. From Meath point of view I could have picked a fair few that I think would be in the running (especially Colm O'Rourke) but I'm sure loads of counties would say the same. I would have had Brian Mullins there instead of Fenton.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1358 - 03/02/2021 14:44:05 2330215 Link 0 |
Growing up Brian Mullins was my idol, when he was on form Dublin won but he's not in the same league as Brian Fenton but then again who is?
DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 07/02/2021 11:41:39 2330509 Link 0 |
Growing up Brian Mullins was my idol, when he was on form Dublin won but he's not in the same league as Brian Fenton but then again who is?
DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 07/02/2021 11:42:06 2330510 Link 0 |
I would agree John. Up to a few years ago I would say the best two midfielders I have seen were Jacko and Mullins but now I would have Fenton ahead of Mullins. Jacko was special. I think we forget sometimes how could he was. He had some engine and was a big scorer too. Fenton has a big engine too and a good scorer also.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 07/02/2021 13:56:00 2330519 Link 0 |
Agreed. Jacko was the best player that I've seen play the game. And while I would rate Fenton as a better player than Mullins, I much preferred Mullins' style of play. Mullins was far better to watch than Fenton. While Fenton is a Rolls-Royce of a player, he would not have (prob doesn't need) the same type of aggression that Mullins had. Mullins was really tough. That he came back from such a serious injury (broken pelvis, I think) to win another AI in 1983 illustrates that toughness.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1926 - 07/02/2021 18:12:46 2330547 Link 0 |
I think you hit the nail on the head there. Fenton does nt need to play tough and yes what Mullins did after the car crash was unbelievable. I think he ended up having one leg a little shorter but played in 3 more all ireland finals afterwards. On a Kerry note Fenton Dad is a Kerryman and Mullins Mom a Kerry woman. Mullins s uncle Bill Casey won a few all irelands with Kerry.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 07/02/2021 19:08:55 2330551 Link 0 |
Bill Casey, yeah, he won 4 with Kerry: 39-41 and again in 1946. All at center-back. He was supposedly a powerfully strong man.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1926 - 08/02/2021 11:42:57 2330623 Link 1 |
It'll be very unpopular but I think Fenton is very overrated. Yes he's one of many fantastic players Dublin have but right know I'd have Kilkenny and O'Callaghan ahead of him and in more of an all time context I'd have McCarthy and Kilkenny well ahead of him. For me he is the best midfielder around at the moment (very little competition) but I'd have him just outside the top 5 footballers in the country currently. Kerry15 (Kerry) - Posts: 958 - 08/02/2021 13:53:27 2330638 Link 2 |