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Go away with your petty nonsense !
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 01/02/2021 10:05:26 2329952 Link 1 |
It's not though. Not one Dublin poster here will even entertain the very notion that Cluxton is anything less than the greatest player in the history of the GAA. Anyway who dares suggest otherwise will get the usual lines about jealous or something along those lines.
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 01/02/2021 11:23:41 2329962 Link 1 |
A player who should be on the list is the late John Egan of Kerry. A very good player on the Kerry teams of the 1970s and 1980s. Most of these lists are dominated by players from Kerry or Kilkenny. There are excellent players in other counties, not included on the teams. MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 01/02/2021 11:58:55 2329967 Link 1 |
And rightly so. He is the greatest goalkeeper of all time so why deny the obvious for petty jealous reasons.
dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 01/02/2021 12:01:00 2329968 Link 2 |
Not sure about everyone opting for Cooper outside Kerry.
MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 01/02/2021 12:01:23 2329970 Link 2 |
Virtually impossible to pick such a team, there will always be huge debate concerning players from different eras and no one can say for sure how individuals would have performed in a different time CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 271 - 01/02/2021 12:22:35 2329977 Link 0 |
Again go away with your petty nonsense
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 01/02/2021 12:23:38 2329978 Link 1 |
Cluxton is an interesting one. In my opinion in the traditional role of goal keeper (saving shots, strong under a high ball) Cluxton is average. But his accurate kickouts to team mates changed the game hugely and became crucial to a teams chances of winning games. As other teams adapted to employing kick out strategies Cluxton remained the best at accurate kickouts and was adaptable, if a team pushed up on the kickouts he could go long and punish them. But pre the kicking tee no goal keeper could have tried to do what Cluxton did with kickouts. That's why I find it nearly impossible to compare Cluxton to top goal keepers of the olden days. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1358 - 01/02/2021 12:26:20 2329979 Link 5 |
Is it not true? It's Dublin posters option that hr is and according to them no other option matters
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 01/02/2021 13:27:53 2329990 Link 1 |
The point about the kicking tee is the main one. As Shane Curran is the one who came up with it is he not the one who changed the role of a keeper? There would be no short kick outs etc had there never been a tee. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 01/02/2021 13:32:59 2329993 Link 2 |
Jesus wept
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 01/02/2021 13:38:43 2329995 Link 1 |
Tell so why we're all wrong?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 01/02/2021 13:49:46 2329996 Link 1 |
I read that on Saturdays Independent...a load of codswallop conjecture...a sure sign there's nothing happening in the GAA World.Readers would be better served if they addressed the problems within the GAA structure as Colm O'Rourke has done in the Sunday Independent the past two Sundays....much more constructive ! ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 01/02/2021 14:33:41 2330002 Link 2 |
Incorrect and presumptuous.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 01/02/2021 19:01:59 2330033 Link 9 |
I've always argued with Kerry folk that he was a better player than Mikie Sheehy. Quite a number of them actually agree with me. Egan was a tougher customer, who could win his own ball and play the game whatever way 'twas thrown at him. Sheehy was an exceptional stylist and a great freetaker. However, I'd rate Egan higher. In the modern game which of the two do you think would be more effective, the one with the engine to track back to the other end of the field or the one who wasn't known for hard graft? Would an out and out finisher like Sheehy even survive in the game at the moment? foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1926 - 01/02/2021 19:54:56 2330041 Link 0 |
You have a point on Egan vs Sheehy. It's very much a question of preference of style. On the last question, the answer is absolutely in my opinion. A player of Sheehy's skill would more than survive in today's game. He'd have to adapt his game slightly, but there are plenty forwards who spend the majority of their time up front, like Cillian O'Connor, Conor McManus, Brian Hurley, Conor Sweeney, David Clifford, Paddy McBrearty. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2046 - 01/02/2021 20:30:36 2330045 Link 1 |
A tough one. I saw more of Sheehy at club level than Egan as Sheehy s club were more successful. The Sheehy was a stylist and deceptively quick. A great brain and I saw him do some magic stuff for his club not to mention Kerry. Egan a completely different player that could play in any era. Strong as a bull and once he had the ball it was near impossible to dispossess him. Paddy Cullen said one time Egan was the Kerry player he feared the most.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 01/02/2021 20:40:45 2330046 Link 0 |
The game changed (because of the blanket defence). Keepers reacted. No keeper changed the game, but only 1 is fortunate enough to play for the best team in the country. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 01/02/2021 21:54:02 2330055 Link 14 |
I think you are doing Cillian a disservice in saying that he scored heavily in games against London, Leitrim and New York. In his championship career so far Cillian has scored a total of 30 goals and 339 points. 6 goals and 24 points of that were against those three teams which hardly distorts his scoring average. Apart from being the highest championship scorer of all time Cillian has also scored the most championship goals of all time, one more than the great Mikey Sheehy. He also has the highest average championship score of any player, ahead of Matt Connor and also the highest individual score in a championship game. To give the lie to the consensus that Cillian scores heavily against weaker teams, his average per game over his career is 7.3 points whereas his average against, arguably the greatest team of all time, Dublin is 8 points per game. I'm not pitting Cillian against Gooch, who are totally different type players, just putting the record straight regarding Cillians phenomenal scoring record.
Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 01/02/2021 23:22:06 2330062 Link 0 |
I greatly admire both players. I would probably choose John Egan for the hard graft, he never seemed to get the praise that other players on that team attracted. A very strong player, which he used very effectively in getting scores. Mikey Sheehy was a classy player, I would have both on my team.
MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 02/02/2021 11:36:19 2330091 Link 0 |