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Replying To oneoff:  "Don't say that too loud of you're never going to be left live it down!"
Go away with your petty nonsense !

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 01/02/2021 10:05:26    2329952

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Go away with your petty nonsense !"
It's not though. Not one Dublin poster here will even entertain the very notion that Cluxton is anything less than the greatest player in the history of the GAA. Anyway who dares suggest otherwise will get the usual lines about jealous or something along those lines.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 01/02/2021 11:23:41    2329962

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Replying To jacktheboy:  "Cillian O Connor should be on that team, he is the leading scorer of all time in the Championship, still a young man who was injured for a lot of games and should increase that lead by a lot more over the next few years.

If Colm Cooper was that good why is he not the leading scorer , he was on a very good team that got to the final most years , had lots of easy games in Munster against weak team and he also took numerous free for Kerry. He also played a lot more games than Cillian."
A player who should be on the list is the late John Egan of Kerry. A very good player on the Kerry teams of the 1970s and 1980s.
Most of these lists are dominated by players from Kerry or Kilkenny. There are excellent players in other counties, not included on the teams.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 01/02/2021 11:58:55    2329967

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Replying To oneoff:  "It's not though. Not one Dublin poster here will even entertain the very notion that Cluxton is anything less than the greatest player in the history of the GAA. Anyway who dares suggest otherwise will get the usual lines about jealous or something along those lines."
And rightly so. He is the greatest goalkeeper of all time so why deny the obvious for petty jealous reasons.

dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 01/02/2021 12:01:00    2329968

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Replying To superdub:  "I think anybody on here outside of mayo would have cooper way ahead of o'connor. Not to even mention Maurice fitz as well"
Not sure about everyone opting for Cooper outside Kerry.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 01/02/2021 12:01:23    2329970

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Virtually impossible to pick such a team, there will always be huge debate concerning players from different eras and no one can say for sure how individuals would have performed in a different time

CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 271 - 01/02/2021 12:22:35    2329977

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Replying To oneoff:  "It's not though. Not one Dublin poster here will even entertain the very notion that Cluxton is anything less than the greatest player in the history of the GAA. Anyway who dares suggest otherwise will get the usual lines about jealous or something along those lines."
Again go away with your petty nonsense

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 01/02/2021 12:23:38    2329978

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Replying To Breffni40:  "Cluxton lucky imo :)"
Cluxton is an interesting one. In my opinion in the traditional role of goal keeper (saving shots, strong under a high ball) Cluxton is average. But his accurate kickouts to team mates changed the game hugely and became crucial to a teams chances of winning games. As other teams adapted to employing kick out strategies Cluxton remained the best at accurate kickouts and was adaptable, if a team pushed up on the kickouts he could go long and punish them.
But pre the kicking tee no goal keeper could have tried to do what Cluxton did with kickouts.
That's why I find it nearly impossible to compare Cluxton to top goal keepers of the olden days.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1358 - 01/02/2021 12:26:20    2329979

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Again go away with your petty nonsense"
Is it not true? It's Dublin posters option that hr is and according to them no other option matters

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 01/02/2021 13:27:53    2329990

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "Cluxton is an interesting one. In my opinion in the traditional role of goal keeper (saving shots, strong under a high ball) Cluxton is average. But his accurate kickouts to team mates changed the game hugely and became crucial to a teams chances of winning games. As other teams adapted to employing kick out strategies Cluxton remained the best at accurate kickouts and was adaptable, if a team pushed up on the kickouts he could go long and punish them.
But pre the kicking tee no goal keeper could have tried to do what Cluxton did with kickouts.
That's why I find it nearly impossible to compare Cluxton to top goal keepers of the olden days."
The point about the kicking tee is the main one. As Shane Curran is the one who came up with it is he not the one who changed the role of a keeper?

There would be no short kick outs etc had there never been a tee.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 01/02/2021 13:32:59    2329993

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Replying To oneoff:  "Is it not true? It's Dublin posters option that hr is and according to them no other option matters"
Jesus wept

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 01/02/2021 13:38:43    2329995

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Jesus wept"
Tell so why we're all wrong?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 01/02/2021 13:49:46    2329996

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I read that on Saturdays Independent...a load of codswallop conjecture...a sure sign there's nothing happening in the GAA World.Readers would be better served if they addressed the problems within the GAA structure as Colm O'Rourke has done in the Sunday Independent the past two Sundays....much more constructive !

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 01/02/2021 14:33:41    2330002

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Replying To oneoff:  "It's not though. Not one Dublin poster here will even entertain the very notion that Cluxton is anything less than the greatest player in the history of the GAA. Anyway who dares suggest otherwise will get the usual lines about jealous or something along those lines."
Incorrect and presumptuous.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 01/02/2021 19:01:59    2330033

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Replying To MicktheMiller:  "A player who should be on the list is the late John Egan of Kerry. A very good player on the Kerry teams of the 1970s and 1980s.
Most of these lists are dominated by players from Kerry or Kilkenny. There are excellent players in other counties, not included on the teams."
I've always argued with Kerry folk that he was a better player than Mikie Sheehy. Quite a number of them actually agree with me. Egan was a tougher customer, who could win his own ball and play the game whatever way 'twas thrown at him. Sheehy was an exceptional stylist and a great freetaker. However, I'd rate Egan higher. In the modern game which of the two do you think would be more effective, the one with the engine to track back to the other end of the field or the one who wasn't known for hard graft?

Would an out and out finisher like Sheehy even survive in the game at the moment?

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1926 - 01/02/2021 19:54:56    2330041

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "I've always argued with Kerry folk that he was a better player than Mikie Sheehy. Quite a number of them actually agree with me. Egan was a tougher customer, who could win his own ball and play the game whatever way 'twas thrown at him. Sheehy was an exceptional stylist and a great freetaker. However, I'd rate Egan higher. In the modern game which of the two do you think would be more effective, the one with the engine to track back to the other end of the field or the one who wasn't known for hard graft?

Would an out and out finisher like Sheehy even survive in the game at the moment?"
You have a point on Egan vs Sheehy. It's very much a question of preference of style. On the last question, the answer is absolutely in my opinion. A player of Sheehy's skill would more than survive in today's game.
He'd have to adapt his game slightly, but there are plenty forwards who spend the majority of their time up front, like Cillian O'Connor, Conor McManus, Brian Hurley, Conor Sweeney, David Clifford, Paddy McBrearty.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2046 - 01/02/2021 20:30:36    2330045

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "I've always argued with Kerry folk that he was a better player than Mikie Sheehy. Quite a number of them actually agree with me. Egan was a tougher customer, who could win his own ball and play the game whatever way 'twas thrown at him. Sheehy was an exceptional stylist and a great freetaker. However, I'd rate Egan higher. In the modern game which of the two do you think would be more effective, the one with the engine to track back to the other end of the field or the one who wasn't known for hard graft?

Would an out and out finisher like Sheehy even survive in the game at the moment?"
A tough one. I saw more of Sheehy at club level than Egan as Sheehy s club were more successful. The Sheehy was a stylist and deceptively quick. A great brain and I saw him do some magic stuff for his club not to mention Kerry. Egan a completely different player that could play in any era. Strong as a bull and once he had the ball it was near impossible to dispossess him. Paddy Cullen said one time Egan was the Kerry player he feared the most.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 01/02/2021 20:40:45    2330046

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Replying To gatha:  "I have to admit I am not a die hard football follower but I don't understand all the hype around Cluxton. How can a goalie change the game. How does he dominate his position. The same goes for Hurling. A goalie can go matches without making a save. I know puckouts have become an important part of the game but in football 90% of kick outs go about 15 meters. I have great respect for goalkeepers in both codes and you will win very little with a poor one. However I don't see how a keeper can dominate or change the way a game is played."
The game changed (because of the blanket defence).

Keepers reacted.

No keeper changed the game, but only 1 is fortunate enough to play for the best team in the country.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 01/02/2021 21:54:02    2330055

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Well Jack you ré entitled to your opinion but Cooper is 2nd top scorer of all time and his scoring record in all ireland finals very impressive. Also you say he scored against weaker teams. Cillian ó Connor scored very big against teams like Leitrim London and New York. Also he took frees but not as many as Cillian. For Gooch s first few years Dara ó Cinnéide was the free taker and even in the latter years Bryan Sheehan was the main free taker. For Mayo Cillian took all the frees."
I think you are doing Cillian a disservice in saying that he scored heavily in games against London, Leitrim and New York. In his championship career so far Cillian has scored a total of 30 goals and 339 points. 6 goals and 24 points of that were against those three teams which hardly distorts his scoring average. Apart from being the highest championship scorer of all time Cillian has also scored the most championship goals of all time, one more than the great Mikey Sheehy. He also has the highest average championship score of any player, ahead of Matt Connor and also the highest individual score in a championship game. To give the lie to the consensus that Cillian scores heavily against weaker teams, his average per game over his career is 7.3 points whereas his average against, arguably the greatest team of all time, Dublin is 8 points per game. I'm not pitting Cillian against Gooch, who are totally different type players, just putting the record straight regarding Cillians phenomenal scoring record.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 01/02/2021 23:22:06    2330062

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "I've always argued with Kerry folk that he was a better player than Mikie Sheehy. Quite a number of them actually agree with me. Egan was a tougher customer, who could win his own ball and play the game whatever way 'twas thrown at him. Sheehy was an exceptional stylist and a great freetaker. However, I'd rate Egan higher. In the modern game which of the two do you think would be more effective, the one with the engine to track back to the other end of the field or the one who wasn't known for hard graft?

Would an out and out finisher like Sheehy even survive in the game at the moment?"
I greatly admire both players. I would probably choose John Egan for the hard graft, he never seemed to get the praise that other players on that team attracted. A very strong player, which he used very effectively in getting scores. Mikey Sheehy was a classy player, I would have both on my team.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 02/02/2021 11:36:19    2330091

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