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Replying To FoolsGold:  "The parentage rule is grand. Conor Cox with Roscommon, lots of other examples.
Moving ala Johnston to Kildare with no connection to a County shouldn't be considered."
Why not?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1711 - 30/01/2021 12:40:38    2329692

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So many players have played for two counties. Pádraig Brogan (r. I. p.) and Martin Carney (Donegal and Mayo) Paul McGettigan(Donegal and Galway) Sean Lowry (Offaly and Mayo) Billy Joe Padden (Mayo and Armagh) Declan D'Arcy (Leitrim and Dublin) Niall ó Donoghue (Roscommon and Dublin) Brian Murphy (Kerry and Dublin). Karl Ó Dwyer (Kerry and Kildare) James Ó Shea (Kerry and Cork) Conor Cox (Kerry and Roscommon) (Stephen Kinneavey (Galway and Kildare) Garvan Ware (Carlow and Kildare) Larry Tompkins Shay Fahy (Kildare and Cork) (Seanie Johnson (Cavan and Kildare) Thomas Walsh(Carlow and Wicklow) In Hurling Patrick Kelly (Clare and Kerry) Willie ó Dwyer (Kilkenny and Kerry) Vinny Murphy (Dublin and Kerry) Darragh Ó Connell (Kerry and Dublin) and Éamonn Morrissey and Shiner Brennan (Kilkenny and Dublin). Mossy Cartoll(Limerick and Tipp) Ryan ó Dwyer (Tipp and Dublin) Maurice ó Callaghan (Limerick and Dublin) and many more I'm sure. Football (Pat Burke (Dublin to Clare)

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 30/01/2021 12:40:50    2329693

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "[quote=hopballref:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  "Kilkenny do field a county football team."
Not in the National League or All Ireland championship?"
12 counties contested the 2019 All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship, does that mean the other 20 counties in Ireland do not have hurling teams?"]I know what you ré saying Cockney but all the counties play hurling I. e. Joe McDonagh Christy Ring Lory Maher cups etc. Kilkenny are not playing football at the moment at adult level. A couple of years ago they were playing div 4 league but withdrew. Sometimes their minor footballers enter Leinster but at present Kilkenny do Not play football at adult level."]No Mick. They do play football at adult level. They play in the All Britain Inter-County Junior Football Championship, which they have won in 2015, 2017 & 2018 (lost to Scotland in the semi-final in 2019).

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2476 - 30/01/2021 13:31:25    2329701

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Replying To ulsterrules:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "[quote=hopballref:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  "Kilkenny do field a county football team."
Not in the National League or All Ireland championship?"
12 counties contested the 2019 All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship, does that mean the other 20 counties in Ireland do not have hurling teams?"]No but the other counties play in the national competitions in hurling. Can you tell us who where and when the killkenny football team last played.
Are you mixing them up with kildare"]"Can you tell us who where and when the killkenny football team last played."

15th June 2019 - Scotland 1.15 v 0.11 Kilkenny - All Britain Inter-County Junior Football Championship Semi Final

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2476 - 30/01/2021 13:55:41    2329703

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "
Replying To CiarraiMick:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  "[quote=hopballref:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  "Kilkenny do field a county football team."
Not in the National League or All Ireland championship?"
12 counties contested the 2019 All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship, does that mean the other 20 counties in Ireland do not have hurling teams?"]I know what you ré saying Cockney but all the counties play hurling I. e. Joe McDonagh Christy Ring Lory Maher cups etc. Kilkenny are not playing football at the moment at adult level. A couple of years ago they were playing div 4 league but withdrew. Sometimes their minor footballers enter Leinster but at present Kilkenny do Not play football at adult level."]No Mick. They do play football at adult level. They play in the All Britain Inter-County Junior Football Championship, which they have won in 2015, 2017 & 2018 (lost to Scotland in the semi-final in 2019)."]Ah well you have me again. I think you should change name to the Crafty Cockney lol

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 30/01/2021 14:33:28    2329709

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "So many players have played for two counties. Pádraig Brogan (r. I. p.) and Martin Carney (Donegal and Mayo) Paul McGettigan(Donegal and Galway) Sean Lowry (Offaly and Mayo) Billy Joe Padden (Mayo and Armagh) Declan D'Arcy (Leitrim and Dublin) Niall ó Donoghue (Roscommon and Dublin) Brian Murphy (Kerry and Dublin). Karl Ó Dwyer (Kerry and Kildare) James Ó Shea (Kerry and Cork) Conor Cox (Kerry and Roscommon) (Stephen Kinneavey (Galway and Kildare) Garvan Ware (Carlow and Kildare) Larry Tompkins Shay Fahy (Kildare and Cork) (Seanie Johnson (Cavan and Kildare) Thomas Walsh(Carlow and Wicklow) In Hurling Patrick Kelly (Clare and Kerry) Willie ó Dwyer (Kilkenny and Kerry) Vinny Murphy (Dublin and Kerry) Darragh Ó Connell (Kerry and Dublin) and Éamonn Morrissey and Shiner Brennan (Kilkenny and Dublin). Mossy Cartoll(Limerick and Tipp) Ryan ó Dwyer (Tipp and Dublin) Maurice ó Callaghan (Limerick and Dublin) and many more I'm sure. Football (Pat Burke (Dublin to Clare)"
I think you might mean Maurice O'Brien from Garryspillane played with Dublin and Limerick. David Reidy played with Kildare for a season before John Kiely asked him back to play with Limerick. Cathal Mullane from Kileedy played with Limerick for Justin McCarthy when most of the 2009 panel went on strike and later played with Longford I think.

Our footballers got Tom Lee from Galway(not sure if he played senior football for Galway) and Killan Phair from Cavan in the recent past.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 1038 - 30/01/2021 15:18:42    2329718

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Replying To DUALSUPPORT:  "I think you might mean Maurice O'Brien from Garryspillane played with Dublin and Limerick. David Reidy played with Kildare for a season before John Kiely asked him back to play with Limerick. Cathal Mullane from Kileedy played with Limerick for Justin McCarthy when most of the 2009 panel went on strike and later played with Longford I think.

Our footballers got Tom Lee from Galway(not sure if he played senior football for Galway) and Killan Phair from Cavan in the recent past."
Sorry yes Maurice ó Brien

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 30/01/2021 15:49:39    2329721

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Why not?"
Johnston wasn't working or living in Kildare. Played a few club games to be eligible but its not the Premier League.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 30/01/2021 15:56:44    2329724

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Replying To Rosineri1:  "but on the other hand a player from a weaker county could opt to transfer to a stronger county, in the hope of success, instead of trying to balance up it could actually make weaker teams weaker. In club football the transfers inter club you usually see are from Junior clubs to Senior not the other way round."
Spot on. That's the way it has gone in every other sport. Only other way would be the American style draft system. Wouldn't work inter county either.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11893 - 30/01/2021 16:13:53    2329725

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Johnston wasn't working or living in Kildare. Played a few club games to be eligible but its not the Premier League."
But why should a player with no connection to a county not be allowed transfer?
I know it goes against tradition but pretty much every other sport on earth does it.
The best players should be allowed to compete on the biggest stage regardless of where they're from imo.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1711 - 30/01/2021 17:10:41    2329734

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Most other Sports where its professional businesses. If you go down that road it will lead to calls for the GAA to be professional

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 30/01/2021 18:04:18    2329743

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Most other Sports where its professional businesses. If you go down that road it will lead to calls for the GAA to be professional"
I agree it would be almost impossible to implement without going pro,, but I hate the idea of talented footballers and hurlers bring unable to reach their potential due to boundaries.
I also think that both codes,, hurling especially,, could see an increase in participation among youngsters in non traditional counties if they feel there's a realistic chance of reaching the highest level and winning the major prizes.
Yes there are difficulties in bringing it in but tradition shouldn't stand in the way.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1711 - 30/01/2021 18:31:34    2329750

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "So many players have played for two counties. Pádraig Brogan (r. I. p.) and Martin Carney (Donegal and Mayo) Paul McGettigan(Donegal and Galway) Sean Lowry (Offaly and Mayo) Billy Joe Padden (Mayo and Armagh) Declan D'Arcy (Leitrim and Dublin) Niall ó Donoghue (Roscommon and Dublin) Brian Murphy (Kerry and Dublin). Karl Ó Dwyer (Kerry and Kildare) James Ó Shea (Kerry and Cork) Conor Cox (Kerry and Roscommon) (Stephen Kinneavey (Galway and Kildare) Garvan Ware (Carlow and Kildare) Larry Tompkins Shay Fahy (Kildare and Cork) (Seanie Johnson (Cavan and Kildare) Thomas Walsh(Carlow and Wicklow) In Hurling Patrick Kelly (Clare and Kerry) Willie ó Dwyer (Kilkenny and Kerry) Vinny Murphy (Dublin and Kerry) Darragh Ó Connell (Kerry and Dublin) and Éamonn Morrissey and Shiner Brennan (Kilkenny and Dublin). Mossy Cartoll(Limerick and Tipp) Ryan ó Dwyer (Tipp and Dublin) Maurice ó Callaghan (Limerick and Dublin) and many more I'm sure. Football (Pat Burke (Dublin to Clare)"
CiarraiMick good bit of results there one more , des Newton Roscommon and donegal.

Tyrion (Donegal) - Posts: 160 - 30/01/2021 18:43:40    2329751

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Most other Sports where its professional businesses. If you go down that road it will lead to calls for the GAA to be professional"
The gaa is semi pro for years especially the club. In Dublin players were promised things to go to certain clubs. Stephen Cluxton went public a few years ago in disgust the way his club paid mobile phone bills etc for players they poached..Cluxton would nt play for the senior team for a period over this carry on saying they were not the players he grew up with. Also loads of clubs all over the country are paying managers even at a low level. Amateur my foot.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 30/01/2021 18:50:54    2329756

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "The gaa is semi pro for years especially the club. In Dublin players were promised things to go to certain clubs. Stephen Cluxton went public a few years ago in disgust the way his club paid mobile phone bills etc for players they poached..Cluxton would nt play for the senior team for a period over this carry on saying they were not the players he grew up with. Also loads of clubs all over the country are paying managers even at a low level. Amateur my foot."
Difference between paying 1 manager and a panel of 26 players. Dublin clubs might operate different with grants and some players employed as coaching officers but doesn't impy to all 32 counties

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 30/01/2021 19:32:20    2329764

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "So many players have played for two counties. Pádraig Brogan (r. I. p.) and Martin Carney (Donegal and Mayo) Paul McGettigan(Donegal and Galway) Sean Lowry (Offaly and Mayo) Billy Joe Padden (Mayo and Armagh) Declan D'Arcy (Leitrim and Dublin) Niall ó Donoghue (Roscommon and Dublin) Brian Murphy (Kerry and Dublin). Karl Ó Dwyer (Kerry and Kildare) James Ó Shea (Kerry and Cork) Conor Cox (Kerry and Roscommon) (Stephen Kinneavey (Galway and Kildare) Garvan Ware (Carlow and Kildare) Larry Tompkins Shay Fahy (Kildare and Cork) (Seanie Johnson (Cavan and Kildare) Thomas Walsh(Carlow and Wicklow) In Hurling Patrick Kelly (Clare and Kerry) Willie ó Dwyer (Kilkenny and Kerry) Vinny Murphy (Dublin and Kerry) Darragh Ó Connell (Kerry and Dublin) and Éamonn Morrissey and Shiner Brennan (Kilkenny and Dublin). Mossy Cartoll(Limerick and Tipp) Ryan ó Dwyer (Tipp and Dublin) Maurice ó Callaghan (Limerick and Dublin) and many more I'm sure. Football (Pat Burke (Dublin to Clare)"
Plus players from all over Ireland who represented Dublin if you go back to the first half of the last century

dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 01/02/2021 12:18:00    2329972

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Replying To dubarra:  "Plus players from all over Ireland who represented Dublin if you go back to the first half of the last century"
Yes you are correct Dubarra and if you want to be politically correct Wicklow have an all ireland football title and Dublin have one less. Not sure of the year but in the early years a wicklow club team represented Dublin in the championship and won the all ireland. The records books say Dublin but it was Wicklow club team

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 01/02/2021 18:40:42    2330031

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Yes you are correct Dubarra and if you want to be politically correct Wicklow have an all ireland football title and Dublin have one less. Not sure of the year but in the early years a wicklow club team represented Dublin in the championship and won the all ireland. The records books say Dublin but it was Wicklow club team"
I think this is what you're referring to (link below). Bray Emmets represented Dublin (and won) in the 1902 All-Ireland. link

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2476 - 01/02/2021 22:15:18    2330057

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I'm in favour of it anyway.
It could make the championship more competitive, giving weaker counties the chance to improve.
It would also mean that, just like pretty much every other sport on earth,, EVERY kid in Ireland can finally dream of playing on the biggest stage.
Transfers in other sports have also proven to have no effect on the support those teams get.

I think it would be very difficult to implement however.
Would a fella from wexford transfer to donegal for example? How would that work unless the gaa became professional?"
I was kind of thinking that a scheme be set up allowing Kilkenny lads with an interest in football to declare for a neighboring county, I would imagine the scheme would be temporary until such time as Kilkenny field senior football teams again then they would revert back to their own county, in the short term it could be seen as a way to declare for a county other than transfer to a county. It could be monitored over time and opinions formed.

Cuhullain (Kildare) - Posts: 271 - 02/02/2021 20:09:45    2330167

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "I think this is what you're referring to (link below). Bray Emmets represented Dublin (and won) in the 1902 All-Ireland. link"
Yes indeed Cockney.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 02/02/2021 21:50:58    2330182

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