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Cluxton has 6 all stars so for a winni g goalkeeper he has maybe overachieved as its hard on winning keepers as the might not have the big saves to make. Now I'll be the devil's advocate. I'm a massive admirer of Cluxton and imo he is the greatest keeper I have seen.However because of that people (especially his own fans feel he should get an all star every year). The big one was 2016 because David Clarke got an all star after being dropped for final folk felt Cluxton was wronged. However Cluxton had a very shaky semi v Kerry that year before half time so for me he did nt deserve ré an all star in 2016 (albeit I think Comerford of Tipp should ve got it)..Cluxton might have won another all star or two that he might have deserved but on the other hand he was lucky to win all star in 02 and maybe a bit lucky in 06 and 07 too. So all in all I can't say Cluxton has been unlucky at all. One has to look at the full picture. On this year he was a bit unlucky but Galligan caught the eye more especially with the late free v Monaghan. Overall he not doing bad with 6 all stars.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 20/02/2021 12:48:44 2332119 Link 0 |
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How does this 'splitting of the dublin vote' manifest itself? I dont see it myself. If everyone who gets a vote in the country, votes for who they think should win it, then there is no issue. How does this splitting thing come into it? Furthermore, if kilkenny does win it this year, doesnt that disprove the 'splitting the dublin vote' rhetoric? Some dublin fans seem to get up in a heap over these awards. You see endless comments on fb with sarcastic remarks from dubs saying they think more mayo players getting all stars. Yet Dublin got more this year than anyone, ever. Truth be told, john small and fitzsimons got roasted in the final and are lucky to get in, while cluxton has nothing to do for 98% of the championship while other keepers are pulling off more saves in one game than he does all season. You cant have it both ways. Personally, I think the people who have won the poty up to now have deserved it. I think kilkenny would be a deserving winner also, but in fairness to oconnor he had an unbelievable season where nobody was able to mark him and scored an amazing amount, and in a lot of other years, he would be a deserving winner. People should give people their credit when it is due, and drop these sour excuses. HardCase (USA) - Posts: 64 - 20/02/2021 13:26:31 2332120 Link 0 |
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Yes it's all about opinions
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 20/02/2021 13:30:48 2332122 Link 2 |
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The high ball is one area where Cluxton struggles. Not sure why you're confident he would have dealt with that Cork goal.
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 20/02/2021 13:56:59 2332127 Link 1 |
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That is a hilarious comment, that Cluxton struggles with the high ball. Cluxton is the leader of that Dublin team, the most influential player on the Dublin team, he is assured of legendary status.
fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 20/02/2021 14:40:01 2332129 Link 3 |
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Urban myth, having attended nearly all of Dublins games in Cluxton's time, and well before it, this theory that Dublin's defence is weak under the high ball, I can assure you is fake news. All the top teams tried it against Dublin and got no change ( bar one penalty incident, cooper on clifford) and quickly learned it wasn't working. Yet every year come the semifinal and final it comes up again, a few years ago it was Kieran Donaghy on the edge of the square, Mayo tried it with Aido, Tyrone even put Colm Cavanagh in for a while, none worked. Anything high coming in there is met by a strong fist from Clucko, and if you haven't noticed that you need to pay more attention.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 674 - 20/02/2021 14:47:13 2332130 Link 1 |
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So In your opinion when should he have won one when he didn't?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 20/02/2021 14:59:06 2332132 Link 0 |
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Yes you are probably right Joe but on the other side he has much less saves to make too as Dublin so strong outfield and keep ball a lot.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 20/02/2021 15:11:42 2332134 Link 1 |
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Actually Joe it was the back line that did most of the work and with a sweeper. Cluxton was caught badly a few times under high ball 2 notable times was 2016 v Kerry with Paul Geaney and 2018 semi v Galway with Damian Comer.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 20/02/2021 16:14:24 2332140 Link 0 |
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I'm talking about Cluxton himself not the full back line. He's not the tallest of keepers so wouldn't be as comfortable under the high ball I have seen plenty of Dublins too. FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 20/02/2021 16:23:02 2332141 Link 0 |
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Look it's not that big a deal but being a keeper on a winning team seems to be a disadvantage when it comes to these awards and I suppose it looks a little peculiar that he only got awarded once in last 6 yrs, not saying any of the all stars awarded were not worthy. During this period I have no doubt if an opposing manager could remove a player from the Dublin team they had to face, Cluxton would feature in the conversation along with Fenton and Kilkenny, not necessarily in that order.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 674 - 20/02/2021 16:36:23 2332144 Link 2 |
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Good for you. He's obviously a great leader not doubting that. People get outraged easily
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 20/02/2021 16:49:02 2332145 Link 0 |
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All in all I think the Dublin players and others that get All Stars are deserving and happy to get the acknowledgment for their achievements. Will the ones who don't collect one be distraught, no ,not at all. On the whole ,I don't think the all stars mean a great deal to most players. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 20/02/2021 16:56:24 2332146 Link 2 |
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You are correct on both counts Joe. It is for sure a disadvantage being on a dominant team as one does nt shine as much as a keeper that has shots taken at him more often and also you are correct in that I'm sure opposing managers would be delighted to see Cluxton missing. He is deffo in top 4 players on Dublin team. For me Fenton Mccarthy Cluxton Kilkenny.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 20/02/2021 17:39:06 2332150 Link 0 |
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Stephen Cluxton's 2020 Championship evano11 (Cavan) - Posts: 265 - 20/02/2021 17:49:26 2332153 Link 2 |
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My own county man Charlie Nelligan won 7 all Irelands and has two all stars.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 20/02/2021 18:28:18 2332158 Link 0 |
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I hope there is a lid put on this Dubh_linn. Raymond Galligan deserves his award. He also deserves to be allowed to enjoy his award. Two years ago Rory Beggan won his first and to date only All Star. He thoroughly deserved that All Star. There was a furore in the media. Some people took up Stephen Cluxton's case. The one person who didn't comment was Stephen Cluxton himself. He maintained a quiet dignity. The furore nearly took the good out of Rory Beggan's award. Rory Beggan himself also behaved with great dignity. On receiving his award he was asked who his sporting hero was. His answer was Stephen Cluxton. The dignity of both men put the mouthpieces in the media to shame.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 20/02/2021 18:43:46 2332162 Link 3 |
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Colm Cavanagh was fouled for a penalty too when moved in. Someone does need to pay more attention alright! cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 20/02/2021 19:51:06 2332182 Link 9 |
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In fairness, in those instances dublin dropped the likes of flynn and mccarthy back to help out when those things did happen. I dont think that qualifies the dublin defense as solid in the air. In fact id say it is one of the rare occasions where dublin let the tactics of the opposition dictate their gameplan. To any objective observer, Id suggest that would indicate an acknowledgement of a weakness, personally. They dealt with it well, but it was well signposted, not unlike aidan oshea going in to mark donaghy a few years back - the fact that donaghy is starting lets you make that call. However, if it wasnt signposted, and a michael murphy drifted in from midfield with an opportune ball put it, that would be a proper test. However, the reality is since dublin keep so much possession, and look to get ahead and then set up quite defensively, this doesnt come about. Again, I would argue that this is deliberate with their aerial weakness in mind.
HardCase (USA) - Posts: 64 - 20/02/2021 20:17:37 2332191 Link 1 |
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100%. The thing about these awards is that they create a vacuum for disagreement. There are players just as deserving who have to be and are left out. Players given awards in positions that deny other players an award and so on. There is a lot unfair about them. Fair play to all those that got one and congratulations to Gearoid Hegarty of Limerick on his Hurler of the year and Brian Fenton on his Footballer of the year award, his second in three years. Galligan mentioned the honour of being considered in the running and being in a conversation that included Cluxton. Beggan and Galligan both top keepers know Cluxtons value and the standard he sets. I think he would would be the first to congratulate them. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 20/02/2021 20:30:27 2332196 Link 1 |