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I love the delusion regarding sweepers - every team plays some form of defensive strategy, call it a sweeper, call it a deep-dropping covering centre back, call it whatever you like, every team has some extra body that drops deep when teams come at them. And they would be absolutely stupid not to! The result of this is less goals, at both ends. But teams will figure out ways around them. I just hope out-pointing them isn't the only solution because nothing lifts a crowd and atmosphere like goals in a match. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1737 - 18/12/2020 12:57:08 2323410 Link
Replying To StoreysTash: "I love the delusion regarding sweepers - every team plays some form of defensive strategy, call it a sweeper, call it a deep-dropping covering centre back, call it whatever you like, every team has some extra body that drops deep when teams come at them. And they would be absolutely stupid not to! The result of this is less goals, at both ends. But teams will figure out ways around them. I just hope out-pointing them isn't the only solution because nothing lifts a crowd and atmosphere like goals in a match." Can you see Coady, Davy or Kielys exhorting their teams to to any cost 'amuse the crowd', No, I could not either. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4344 - 18/12/2020 13:56:06 2323426 Link
Replying To StoreysTash: "I love the delusion regarding sweepers - every team plays some form of defensive strategy, call it a sweeper, call it a deep-dropping covering centre back, call it whatever you like, every team has some extra body that drops deep when teams come at them. And they would be absolutely stupid not to! The result of this is less goals, at both ends. But teams will figure out ways around them. I just hope out-pointing them isn't the only solution because nothing lifts a crowd and atmosphere like goals in a match." Ya Derek McGrath was close to being flogged as certain punters and commentators were obsessed with his team formations. One in particular lambasted him publicly and in a game shortly afterwards suggested in a commentary a team better put a sweeper back there or they will be destroyed. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2671 - 18/12/2020 15:10:52 2323458 Link
Under john Kiely's reign Limerick average 1.3 goals & concede 0.9 goals goals per championship match. Goalless games are not a new phenomenon. Goalless all Ireland finals in 1999 & 2004. Clare won the 97 final without getting a goal. Clare drew the 2013 final without getting a goal. Tipperary won the 1989 Munster Final without getting a goal. Tipperary put 6 goals past Limerick in the 2009 semi final and managed 0 against Kilkenny in the final. Maybe John Kiely's plan of scoring goals when needed actually makes sense ........ slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 18/12/2020 15:33:16 2323460 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Galway" Tune in tonight to TG4 7.30pm for the All Ireland U20 Semi Final/Leinster Semi Final Galway v Kilkenny because whoever wins this will be in the All Ireland Final. katser (Galway) - Posts: 2230 - 18/12/2020 16:04:08 2323461 Link
Replying To slayer: "Under john Kiely's reign Limerick average 1.3 goals & concede 0.9 goals goals per championship match. Goalless games are not a new phenomenon. Goalless all Ireland finals in 1999 & 2004. Clare won the 97 final without getting a goal. Clare drew the 2013 final without getting a goal. Tipperary won the 1989 Munster Final without getting a goal. Tipperary put 6 goals past Limerick in the 2009 semi final and managed 0 against Kilkenny in the final. Maybe John Kiely's plan of scoring goals when needed actually makes sense ........" Here we go. More statistics. Boring boring boring. Just like Limericks hurling. Well here's some stats for you. Limericks five championship matches this year. 36 points v Clare 3:23 v Tipperary 25 points v Waterford Munster final 27 points v Galway All Ireland semi final 30 points v Waterford All Ireland final. Three goals in one match and then four blanks. Every other championship match this year not involving Limerick had at least 1 goal. BORING BORING BORING As I said in an earlier post Limericks hurling was more enjoyable to watch in 2018. Let them loose and let them express themselves... Armchairreporter (Galway) - Posts: 76 - 18/12/2020 17:49:59 2323484 Link
Replying To katser: "Tune in tonight to TG4 7.30pm for the All Ireland U20 Semi Final/Leinster Semi Final Galway v Kilkenny because whoever wins this will be in the All Ireland Final." Might watch ye beating the cats for half hour if I get home by 7.30. I'll be back for the real Leinster u20 semifinal between 2 Leinster counties at 8pm. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12101 - 18/12/2020 18:03:38 2323487 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "The last time Galway played, without a sweeper, Limerick scored three goals and only a very daring save by Shehill prevented a fourth. Mulcahy got a goal and two points- he was completely deprived of possession against them this year so well did O'Neill's and Fitzgerald's system work. . Remember Limerick never looked like conceding a goal against Galway, and were secure enough in that regard both days against Waterford, although in fairness to the the Deise they they did batter Quaids goal and played an expansive brand of hurling- we have heard the last of them." Above should have read, in relation to Waterford, 'we have not heard the last of them' and I firmly believe we have not. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4344 - 18/12/2020 19:14:50 2323499 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Might watch ye beating the cats for half hour if I get home by 7.30. I'll be back for the real Leinster u20 semifinal between 2 Leinster counties at 8pm." Galway 0-19 Kilkenny 1-11......made hard work of that but as expected All Ireland Final here we come. katser (Galway) - Posts: 2230 - 18/12/2020 21:25:48 2323544 Link
Replying To katser: "Tune in tonight to TG4 7.30pm for the All Ireland U20 Semi Final/Leinster Semi Final Galway v Kilkenny because whoever wins this will be in the All Ireland Final." Hon Galway! Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2138 - 18/12/2020 21:28:52 2323549 Link
Replying To katser: "Galway 0-19 Kilkenny 1-11......made hard work of that but as expected All Ireland Final here we come." Seven scores from play. Alot of improving to do... Armchairreporter (Galway) - Posts: 76 - 18/12/2020 21:52:51 2323571 Link
Replying To Armchairreporter: "Seven scores from play. Alot of improving to do..." Against Kilkenny you're not going to get an awful lot from play. Any time you beat them you've done some work no matter how you get it done. Good composure by Galway to recover from KKs goal. Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2138 - 18/12/2020 22:31:57 2323588 Link
Replying To Armchairreporter: "Seven scores from play. Alot of improving to do..." The Man of the Match is from a Intermediate Club who were involved in Relegation dogfight this year. Anytime Galway tried to score from play they were cut down and fouled by Kilkenny. katser (Galway) - Posts: 2230 - 18/12/2020 22:57:46 2323596 Link
Replying To katser: "The Man of the Match is from a Intermediate Club who were involved in Relegation dogfight this year. Anytime Galway tried to score from play they were cut down and fouled by Kilkenny." Lol. What's his club got to do with getting man of the match and the team scoring seven from play???? I hope your right with with Kilkennys fouling. Time will tell. Armchairreporter (Galway) - Posts: 76 - 19/12/2020 12:34:56 2323705 Link
Replying To Armchairreporter: "Lol. What's his club got to do with getting man of the match and the team scoring seven from play???? I hope your right with with Kilkennys fouling. Time will tell." It shows how strong young hurlers in Galway are with the man of the match from an Intermediate Club ( ranked 30) and the free Taker from a Junior Club (ranked 40).......rankings subject to Senior- Junior Clubs. IE Co.Champions St.Thomas' (rank 1) katser (Galway) - Posts: 2230 - 21/12/2020 20:46:01 2325234 Link
Replying To Armchairreporter: "Lol. What's his club got to do with getting man of the match and the team scoring seven from play???? I hope your right with with Kilkennys fouling. Time will tell." Yes indeed. Ger Hegarty was from a Junior Club in '18, they were are still only intermediate as is Seamus Flanagan's and Tom Condon's clubs. I am sure there a few in the current Galway senior also who with Intermediate teams. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4344 - 21/12/2020 21:16:23 2325255 Link
Replying To katser: "It shows how strong young hurlers in Galway are with the man of the match from an Intermediate Club ( ranked 30) and the free Taker from a Junior Club (ranked 40).......rankings subject to Senior- Junior Clubs. IE Co.Champions St.Thomas' (rank 1)" Rubbish... At 18, 19 or 20 I don't think the standard of their senior team is relevant to their success on the field. It's all got to do with the coaching from a young age and through their teenage years within their club. Of which an awful lot goes unnoticed to alot of parents. Armchairreporter (Galway) - Posts: 76 - 21/12/2020 22:37:40 2325278 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "Yes indeed. Ger Hegarty was from a Junior Club in '18, they were are still only intermediate as is Seamus Flanagan's and Tom Condon's clubs. I am sure there a few in the current Galway senior also who with Intermediate teams." Unfortunately Gearoid's club will be Junior again next year. Obviously there is no relationship between the ability of a player and the grade of his club. All good examples you gave there OTM and there are countless more slso. Up to the age of 20 Christy Ring, was playing with a junior club. Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 944 - 21/12/2020 23:12:38 2325286 Link
Replying To The_Bull: "No need for me to add that this is a good Limerick team. However lets keep things in perspective about how good they are. Cork (who in my opinion are one of the worst Cork teams I can remember apart from 1996) drew with Limerick in Pairc Ui Chaoimh in the 2018 Munster Championship round robin. Threw away the All-Ireland Semi-Final 2018 (draw in normal time), beat Limerick in the league and championship in 2019. The gap between the top teams in hurling is very marginal so no Limerick won't dominate. As for saying Limerick's success is down to JP, Ard Scoil Ris have a a say in the Harty Cup over the past decade and the Limerick clubs have been strong enough also. Limerick have finally got their reward especially considering the gallant teams in 94 and 96 that were probably good enough to win 3 or 4 All-Ireland's. Last year people were wondering who would stop Tipp after the All-Ireland." You would have to say the gap between Limerick and Cork is much wider now though. In 18, it was limericks break out year, most of them 21 and a couple of 19 year olds against an experienced cork team in their third semi in a row, and the draw that year in cork was with 14 men. In 19 they had a slow start which is understandable after ending that famine and cork had a big point to prove that day. blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 22/12/2020 02:00:57 2325297 Link
Replying To Westfester: "Unfortunately Gearoid's club will be Junior again next year. Obviously there is no relationship between the ability of a player and the grade of his club. All good examples you gave there OTM and there are countless more slso. Up to the age of 20 Christy Ring, was playing with a junior club." Indeed it is amazing how much this Limerick team has achieved, in the light of how many Limerick clubs have gone down over the last fifty years in both the city and county. Claughaun, St Patricks, Treaty Sarsfields and Old Christians come to mind in the city. In the county teams like Cappamore, Fedamore, Croom, Caherline and Drom, Braodford and Feenagh Kilmeedy, where there was once two strong Hurling clubs, even my own club, which had a fairly good senior team fifteen years ago, are all only a shadow of what they once were at different times over the past century. Even once mighty Ahane, of so many great hurling families, have nobody near the panel except the two, except theadmittedly hugely significant Morrisseys, None of our towns are hurling first either, so overall it is amazing what has been achieved and the potential out there for further improvement. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4344 - 22/12/2020 09:44:25 2325317 Link