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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "That's a poor attempt at a come back mick, 1 wrong is not like the other and that wrong that was done to Munster teams has been addressed and stopped for a good few years now.

Can the same be said in Leinster?"
The money thing is being addressed and for the last couple of years the money goi g to Dublin has decreased. The neutral game in Croke Park for super 8s is has been addressed and will be neutral if we ever see super 8s again. Donegal tried and failed earlier as Kerry voted to keep Dubs at Croker. Leinster counties have had ample opportunity to address Croker games but choose not to.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 08/02/2021 19:16:38    2330728

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "I initially was answering a post that pulled someone up for being wrong in not calling Dublin county. I found this ironic as technically Dublin is no longer a county."
Dublin is a County always was always will be :-)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 08/02/2021 19:38:38    2330730

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "I initially was answering a post that pulled someone up for being wrong in not calling Dublin county. I found this ironic as technically Dublin is no longer a county."
But Dublin is a traditional county. It is no longer administered as one county, similar to Cork, Galway, Limerick, Antrim, Down, Tyrone, Fermanagh, Armagh and Derry. Possibly Waterford too. Tipperary had 2 administrative areas for a long time as well.

The GAA has never used administrative areas as its basis for inter-county football and hurling. It has always used the traditional 32 counties of Ireland as its basis, and Dublin is one of them.

Whether the GAA should break from this tradition is the question of course but the fact that Dublin isn't administered as one county doesn't make it "technically" not a county anymore, especially in a GAA context.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 08/02/2021 19:57:37    2330735

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Replying To MesAmis:  "But Dublin is a traditional county. It is no longer administered as one county, similar to Cork, Galway, Limerick, Antrim, Down, Tyrone, Fermanagh, Armagh and Derry. Possibly Waterford too. Tipperary had 2 administrative areas for a long time as well.

The GAA has never used administrative areas as its basis for inter-county football and hurling. It has always used the traditional 32 counties of Ireland as its basis, and Dublin is one of them.

Whether the GAA should break from this tradition is the question of course but the fact that Dublin isn't administered as one county doesn't make it "technically" not a county anymore, especially in a GAA context."
Dublin is the only one of the traditional 32 counties in Ireland to be abolished in law. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Government_(Dublin)_Act_1993

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1413 - 08/02/2021 20:09:39    2330736

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Are you suggesting kingdomboy is not sincere ? -:)"
Kingdomboy1 is very sincere regarding not being happy with us being their masters of late.They put it down to athleticism but we all know you cannot beat a good Kerry side unless you have better footballers, and I can safely say we've more than proved that.

Not to worry though, soon the mighty kingdom will be beating the arse off new makey up Dublin teams. :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8746 - 08/02/2021 20:17:26    2330737

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Replying To MesAmis:  "But Dublin is a traditional county. It is no longer administered as one county, similar to Cork, Galway, Limerick, Antrim, Down, Tyrone, Fermanagh, Armagh and Derry. Possibly Waterford too. Tipperary had 2 administrative areas for a long time as well.

The GAA has never used administrative areas as its basis for inter-county football and hurling. It has always used the traditional 32 counties of Ireland as its basis, and Dublin is one of them.

Whether the GAA should break from this tradition is the question of course but the fact that Dublin isn't administered as one county doesn't make it "technically" not a county anymore, especially in a GAA context."
The basis of the tradational 32 counties of Ireland was the way the British shired Ireland into counties for local administration. Northern Ireland in the 70's moved away from the using counties as basis for administrating local government but never actually abolished their counties.
Tipperary used to be one county consisting of 2 ridings (ridings are a sub division of a county).
Technically the only one of the tradational 32 Irish counties to be abolished in law is County Dublin.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1413 - 08/02/2021 20:21:51    2330738

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "The money thing is being addressed and for the last couple of years the money goi g to Dublin has decreased. The neutral game in Croke Park for super 8s is has been addressed and will be neutral if we ever see super 8s again. Donegal tried and failed earlier as Kerry voted to keep Dubs at Croker. Leinster counties have had ample opportunity to address Croker games but choose not to."
100% Mick

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 08/02/2021 20:31:02    2330739

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I'm not trying to be deliberately smart here....but the thread is called splitting Dublin so I've a question for the Dublin posters..... is it a no go at any time ever ? ... or is it a wait and see what happens in the future ?

CSO puts projected population growth for Dublin up by 400,000 in the next 15 years ( not that far away really )......that'll bring the population up to 1,750,000.... would that still be a no to a split then ?.... would 2 million be a no ?..... just curious if there is a line in the sand....

Black+Blue (Galway) - Posts: 134 - 08/02/2021 21:05:55    2330745

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "The basis of the tradational 32 counties of Ireland was the way the British shired Ireland into counties for local administration. Northern Ireland in the 70's moved away from the using counties as basis for administrating local government but never actually abolished their counties.
Tipperary used to be one county consisting of 2 ridings (ridings are a sub division of a county).
Technically the only one of the tradational 32 Irish counties to be abolished in law is County Dublin."
County Dublin hasn't been abolished though. You seem to think it has because Dublin County Council was split into DLRD, SD and Fingal in 1994. It was already separate from Dublin Corporation.

Same way just because there is Cork City Council and Cork County Council doesn't mean that the County of Cork, which includes the city, stops existing. Or that county Derry stops existing because it is split into different administrative zones.

Especially in a GAA context which has used the counties as they were traditionally since its inception.

Your argument that County Dublin has ceased to exist is wrong and also irrelevant to the current discussion.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 08/02/2021 21:19:30    2330747

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Replying To superbluedub:  "As I have already said , you are entitled to your opinion as am i however, and it's my opinion that Dublin should not be split , it would be the ruination off Gaa in Dublin again in my opinion, so we will have to agree to disagree ."
How do you feel about having more Dublin club players get an opportunity to compete at elite level,do you agree that would be a positive for Dublin club players?Does more opportunity for Dublin club players matter in the context of the discussion?

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 08/02/2021 21:40:38    2330750

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "The money thing is being addressed and for the last couple of years the money goi g to Dublin has decreased. The neutral game in Croke Park for super 8s is has been addressed and will be neutral if we ever see super 8s again. Donegal tried and failed earlier as Kerry voted to keep Dubs at Croker. Leinster counties have had ample opportunity to address Croker games but choose not to."
What their money was cut by what 50/60 k? Considering the money they can now draw in from their 30 odd sponsors thats only pennies to them.

Was the super 8 thing sorted? I guess we'll never know now anyway dublin will still play 90% of their games in their home ground every year.

As for my Province of Munster we have not only "addressed" the issue of seedling Kerry and Cork but we have fixed the issue and it is no longer an issue, can you say the same about leinster?

Also Tipp Limerick Waterford and Clare County boards all voted for the seeding of Kerry and Cork when their teams found out what their county board had done they threatened to strike and that was the end of the issue.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 08/02/2021 21:57:31    2330754

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "How do you feel about having more Dublin club players get an opportunity to compete at elite level,do you agree that would be a positive for Dublin club players?Does more opportunity for Dublin club players matter in the context of the discussion?"
No i do not agree , that would mean splitting Dublin

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 08/02/2021 21:59:58    2330755

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Replying To lilylanger:  "I asked this exact question re splitting Cork next if Dublin were to split. If its all about population and amount of clubs then Cork are right up there."
You are correct Lily. Cork have a playing population of about 35000 and Dublin 40000 so yes one would have to say if Dublin were to be split then so would Cork. Dublin have a massive population but its registered playing population people should look at. Per capita Dublin numbers very low. In Kerry we have nearly 15000 registered players which is high per capita. Dublin have a population 9 times that of Kerry but in gaa numbers they have about 2. 5 times Kerry s numbers.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 08/02/2021 22:04:56    2330757

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Replying To MesAmis:  "County Dublin hasn't been abolished though. You seem to think it has because Dublin County Council was split into DLRD, SD and Fingal in 1994. It was already separate from Dublin Corporation.

Same way just because there is Cork City Council and Cork County Council doesn't mean that the County of Cork, which includes the city, stops existing. Or that county Derry stops existing because it is split into different administrative zones.

Especially in a GAA context which has used the counties as they were traditionally since its inception.

Your argument that County Dublin has ceased to exist is wrong and also irrelevant to the current discussion."
But county Dublin, having existing for hundreds of years was technically abolished on the first on Jan 1994 under an act of the Oireachtas as per the link below. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Government_(Dublin)_Act_1993
Most people didn't realise at the time that but that is what actually was in the law. Section 9 Part 1(a)
of the law includes on the establishment day (1 January 1994) the previous county of Dublin "shall cease to exist" Technically it is the only one of the tradational 32 counties to have been formally abolished.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1413 - 08/02/2021 22:17:46    2330759

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Replying To Black+Blue:  "I'm not trying to be deliberately smart here....but the thread is called splitting Dublin so I've a question for the Dublin posters..... is it a no go at any time ever ? ... or is it a wait and see what happens in the future ?

CSO puts projected population growth for Dublin up by 400,000 in the next 15 years ( not that far away really )......that'll bring the population up to 1,750,000.... would that still be a no to a split then ?.... would 2 million be a no ?..... just curious if there is a line in the sand...."
I'd argue it's up to more established teams to catch up. Galway for example have a population over 250,000...Leitrim 30,000....the gap between Galway and Leitrim is never going to be bridged. Galway should be getting closer to Dublin. Same with Meath, Kildare, Cork (more clubs than any other county). Mayo, Donegal, Kerry have been able to compete...what is everyone else at?

Let's get more involvement into Wicklow and Louth (big populations).

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11557 - 08/02/2021 22:57:44    2330760

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Replying To Black+Blue:  "I'm not trying to be deliberately smart here....but the thread is called splitting Dublin so I've a question for the Dublin posters..... is it a no go at any time ever ? ... or is it a wait and see what happens in the future ?

CSO puts projected population growth for Dublin up by 400,000 in the next 15 years ( not that far away really )......that'll bring the population up to 1,750,000.... would that still be a no to a split then ?.... would 2 million be a no ?..... just curious if there is a line in the sand...."
I would see it as a no go ever. Its an inter county championship and if you are to split Dublin you must look to split other counties and join others and then we dont have an inter county championship any more.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3748 - 08/02/2021 23:19:02    2330763

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "But county Dublin, having existing for hundreds of years was technically abolished on the first on Jan 1994 under an act of the Oireachtas as per the link below. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Government_(Dublin)_Act_1993
Most people didn't realise at the time that but that is what actually was in the law. Section 9 Part 1(a)
of the law includes on the establishment day (1 January 1994) the previous county of Dublin "shall cease to exist" Technically it is the only one of the tradational 32 counties to have been formally abolished."
It would be useful to read the link you posted.

The "County Dublin" that was abolished was the old administrative area covered by Dublin County Council which did not include the city.

Dublin County Council was abolished and split into three (DLR, SD, Fingal). So an administrative area, that did not cover all of the traditional area of County Dublin was split into three administrative areas.

"The previous county of Dublin that ceased to exist" was a council area that wasn't all of the county of Dublin. It like saying that because Clones Town Council was abolished that Monaghan has ceased to exist as a county.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 08/02/2021 23:47:56    2330764

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "You are correct Lily. Cork have a playing population of about 35000 and Dublin 40000 so yes one would have to say if Dublin were to be split then so would Cork. Dublin have a massive population but its registered playing population people should look at. Per capita Dublin numbers very low. In Kerry we have nearly 15000 registered players which is high per capita. Dublin have a population 9 times that of Kerry but in gaa numbers they have about 2. 5 times Kerry s numbers."
Well Cork is not for splitting let me tell ya. This is the worry I have about messing with counties in the way that people are talking about here.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 09/02/2021 08:45:17    2330771

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Replying To KillingFields:  "I would see it as a no go ever. Its an inter county championship and if you are to split Dublin you must look to split other counties and join others and then we dont have an inter county championship any more."
Exactly!!

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 09/02/2021 08:46:20    2330772

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Replying To KillingFields:  "I would see it as a no go ever. Its an inter county championship and if you are to split Dublin you must look to split other counties and join others and then we dont have an inter county championship any more."
But dublin aren't been treated like a county killingfields they're being treated as a province by the gaa and the funding they get proves that.

So if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its pretty safe to assume dublin is now a province in all but name.

Intercounty teams need to be playing other intercounty teams and provincial teams should be playing in a revamped railway Cup competition.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/02/2021 10:14:40    2330780

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