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Replying To realdub:  "Look, I support a team, as I have for the last 50 years, how could I possibly change now?
The teams that nearly caught are the same teams that will catching us in the future, not much will change."
I get where you are coming from realdub and I don't actually think Dublin will be split anyway... BUT my fear is that the only thing that won't change is Dublins complete and utter dominance at Leinster and National level any time soon...think thats a realistic fear for many many fans of our National games.

Black+Blue (Galway) - Posts: 134 - 07/02/2021 22:15:37    2330589

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "Dublin V Dublin would be great,two individual teams,a great moment for our capital city.
Splitting Dublin is just part of the answer as outlined several times on this thread and also flagging the greater number of players playing county representative football....another 90 players with the three additional panels,sure its a win win for those partaking of gaelic football in Dublin.
There will be a handful of supporters peeved but that will wear off in time when the come to realize the success it will have been."
Pure nonsense , Dublin is one County , one team , Dublin Gaa fans will never accept a split , it will never wear off
EVER !!

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 07/02/2021 22:19:58    2330590

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Look ontheditch yes in time people and fans will adapt. We always adapt to change but it would take time. For future generations yes it would be fantastic but for us now I don't think we would buy into it too easily and might water down our interest. I suppose try look at it from your own county perspective. Would you like Limerick split between city and county. It might be good for players but not for the fans. It does make for good discussion but it should ve left at that. End of!"
No we wont never ever !!

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 07/02/2021 22:20:58    2330591

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Replying To realdub:  "Yes Mick, no sincere Kerryman would get a kick out if beating half or quarter of a Dublin side I'd wager."
Are you suggesting kingdomboy is not sincere ? -:)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 07/02/2021 22:24:30    2330592

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Look ontheditch yes in time people and fans will adapt. We always adapt to change but it would take time. For future generations yes it would be fantastic but for us now I don't think we would buy into it too easily and might water down our interest. I suppose try look at it from your own county perspective. Would you like Limerick split between city and county. It might be good for players but not for the fans. It does make for good discussion but it should ve left at that. End of!"
The Limerick analogy is unrealistic at the moment but as you say we are capable of adapting.If this generation left a legacy of a fantastic even and fair AI football competition with all competing teams aspiring to and capable of winning it,that would be a great legacy and we owe it to those following behind in the generations to come.One has to believe and I believe its not only possible but probable.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 07/02/2021 22:24:33    2330593

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Splitting Dublin up into chunks would work if it was based on fairness, similar to the Irish electoral constituencies. Catchments based on population because that is what people asking Dublin to be split seem to suggesting. But of course we know it is not about that at all. It is not about fairness, it is about "stopping Dublin". These people are "football heads" who loathe hurling and the club game and couldnt care less about the sport they are "following". The inter county football game/sport in Dublin would fall apart. But I am confident and I will state here and now it will never happen. Those who think it will do not know anything about how this Association works.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4953 - 07/02/2021 22:48:58    2330595

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It could also lead to some interesting times on the terraces, if 2 Dublins were to meet :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8746 - 07/02/2021 23:21:20    2330598

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Replying To Black+Blue:  "The worry realdub, is that there could be plenty walking away from other counties if things are left as is...

I don't think I've seen a suggestion yet that you could put your finger on and say " thats the single best solution for the All Ireland Championship " so I'm guessing it'll be a long series of small gestures over a long time to try and address the imbalance between Dublin and the chasing pack and from the chasing pack to the rest of the counties.

As an aside... if Dublin was split into North and South would those 2 entities have the biggest and next biggest populations in Ireland ?.... with the 2biggest GAA development budgets to work with ?...

if thats true or factual, then splitting Dublin into North and South won't solve the current argument re Dublins population - financial advantages ...."
Its a conundrum alright, but I can only speak for myself. The future will bring what it will bring and auld lads like meself will just have to suck it up.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8746 - 08/02/2021 00:08:58    2330599

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Replying To realdub:  "Its a conundrum alright, but I can only speak for myself. The future will bring what it will bring and auld lads like meself will just have to suck it up."
I'm in the auld lads gang too unfortunately !!... cheers

Black+Blue (Galway) - Posts: 134 - 08/02/2021 09:59:40    2330604

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Mick it's wrong of you to degrade the achievements of Cavan Tipp and Mayo in 2020, they won their provincial championships fair and square and deserved their wins."
Indeed in not degrading those teams at all. I'm just stating a fact. Dublin were hot favourites to win Sam with the bookies and the top contenders were Kerry Donegal and Tyrone. All 3 were beaten so it made Dublin's job a little easier. Mayo were nt considered top contenders by the bookies and neither were Cavan or Tipp. Definately not putting down those teams that fave us great enjoyment last year

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 08/02/2021 10:05:03    2330605

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Pure nonsense , Dublin is one County , one team , Dublin Gaa fans will never accept a split , it will never wear off
EVER !!"
Technically Dublin is no longer 1 county, 3 counties now exist in the traditional area that used to be county Dublin since county Dublin was abolished in law in the nineties. The reason it was technically split for local government was similar to why people are suggesting it should be split for GAA intercounty, it's population was seen to have grown too much.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1413 - 08/02/2021 10:31:44    2330609

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Replying To MesAmis:  "It is silly to suggest that if there were a split that there wouldn't be people (players, fans, volunteers etc) who walk away from the sport.

Of course people will walk away if Dublin as is was removed from the Championship. How many walk away is open to debate and is what the decision over a split will come down to imo."
True enough, but do you think that people are not walking away from the sport because the system is so biased? Look at the attendance figures, it is there in front of you. Literally tens of thousands of people arent going to the games any longer. There has been a huge increase in people opting out of playing intercounty football in the last 10 years. I know personally, there is a growing apathy there to football and I dont bother watching dublin games at all. I doubt Im alone.
At a base level, there is nothing that disinterests people more than something being unfair. So while losing a few dublin fans may be a reality, the ones that would leave are probably a drop in the ocean to what the gaa will lose if things continue as they are.
The reality is the gaa are far too concerned with money. There is an issue there with people, whose personal professional interests hinge on cash rolling in, calling the shots. It has corrupted decision making. Again, that is quite a turn off for the average fan. If these things dont change, more and more people will become disinterested.

HardCase (USA) - Posts: 64 - 08/02/2021 10:40:00    2330611

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Indeed in not degrading those teams at all. I'm just stating a fact. Dublin were hot favourites to win Sam with the bookies and the top contenders were Kerry Donegal and Tyrone. All 3 were beaten so it made Dublin's job a little easier. Mayo were nt considered top contenders by the bookies and neither were Cavan or Tipp. Definately not putting down those teams that fave us great enjoyment last year"
Ok. So how about the other 7 all ireland then?

HardCase (USA) - Posts: 64 - 08/02/2021 10:42:13    2330612

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Replying To arock:  "Splitting Dublin up into chunks would work if it was based on fairness, similar to the Irish electoral constituencies. Catchments based on population because that is what people asking Dublin to be split seem to suggesting. But of course we know it is not about that at all. It is not about fairness, it is about "stopping Dublin". These people are "football heads" who loathe hurling and the club game and couldnt care less about the sport they are "following". The inter county football game/sport in Dublin would fall apart. But I am confident and I will state here and now it will never happen. Those who think it will do not know anything about how this Association works."
I wouldnt be so sure to be honest. The 'association works' on cash, plain and simple. And while it has suited their cause to squeeze as much money out of dublin as they can, if they go to the point of alienating the rest of the country, an about face wouldnt be long coming about. Remember there is one fifth of the island population in dublin, but that also means there are four fifths not in dublin. If that scenario is created, where it is dublin against the rest, the association would throw dublin to the lions in a flash.
In all honesty, if they were happy to treat everyone else so unfairly to cash in on the dubs, you are deluded to think the same thing wouldnt be repeated the other way around.

HardCase (USA) - Posts: 64 - 08/02/2021 10:51:34    2330615

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I have seen people here who know the area saying DLRD practically does not have enough clubs to support a intercounty team.
What would other potential splits for Dublin county teams would be most realistic?
A) 2 teams: (with Dublin city area split off from the rest of the traditional county area)?
B) 2 teams: North Dublin (maybe Fingal plus the city North of the Liffey) and South Dublin (2 other southern administrative counties plus the city South of the Liffey)?
C) 3 teams: the City, Fingal and a South Dublin team comprising of the other southern administrative counties

Player wise would splitting as give anyway similar playing numbers?.
I remember when a north/ south split was first talked of in the early noughties talking to a Dublin work colleague who said a split wouldn't bother him as at the time he thought north Dublin would be the real Dublin team as that's where most Dublin players were from back then, what roughly would be the player breakdown of the Dublin first 15 from the above 3 suggestions nowadays?

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1413 - 08/02/2021 10:52:30    2330616

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Replying To HardCase:  "Ok. So how about the other 7 all ireland then?"
Not sure what you mean?

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 08/02/2021 10:57:15    2330617

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Indeed in not degrading those teams at all. I'm just stating a fact. Dublin were hot favourites to win Sam with the bookies and the top contenders were Kerry Donegal and Tyrone. All 3 were beaten so it made Dublin's job a little easier. Mayo were nt considered top contenders by the bookies and neither were Cavan or Tipp. Definately not putting down those teams that fave us great enjoyment last year"
Fair enough mick, but there are no gaurentees Tyrone Donegal or Kerry would have beaten the dubs either though., in fact it's pretty easy to assume the pick of the 3 of Tyrone Donegal and kerry would not beat dublin as theyre a province not a county.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 08/02/2021 11:21:15    2330619

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Fair enough mick, but there are no gaurentees Tyrone Donegal or Kerry would have beaten the dubs either though., in fact it's pretty easy to assume the pick of the 3 of Tyrone Donegal and kerry would not beat dublin as theyre a province not a county."
No they might not have beaten Dublin but that's sport. When I last checked Dublin were a county.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 08/02/2021 11:33:46    2330621

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "No they might not have beaten Dublin but that's sport. When I last checked Dublin were a county."
You haven't checked in a while, technically Dublin is no longer a county https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Government_(Dublin)_Act_1993

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1413 - 08/02/2021 12:05:40    2330624

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No I never heard. So we've only 31 counties now in the Island of Ireland.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 08/02/2021 12:23:26    2330626

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