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Hurling All Stars 2020

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Joe was exceptional from dead-balls and sidelines and was very good from general play against Kilkenny and decent against Tipp, but not very influential overall. He's playing a deeper role in general now. Not All-Star form.
Concannon and Whelan were our 2 best forwards by a distance this year. I'd hope one of them gets an All-Star. Both won't since we didn't get past the semi-final. Daithí Burke and one of those 2 will be our lot at best, I'd say."
Yeah I'd agree Mannion was a huge loss too, Canning is probably dwindling physically while Conor Cooney seems to be gone off the boil completely, opportunities possibly for the likes of Evan Niland and Ja Mannion next year.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 30/11/2020 20:57:47    2317147

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Some mad choices here! I wonder do people actually watch games!
Kelly definitely only player outside of last 4 to get in. Not been a vintage year for corner backs and I'm not sure Finn has been as impressive this year but probably does get in. Callum Lyons with a good final is not a million miles off hurler of the year. Hegarty is the front runner from a limerick perspective and I actually think cian lynch (who usually gets a lot of credit) has been excellent but not getting the full credit his performances have deserved. Bennet has been exceptional. Gillane and Canning have scored very little from play by their standards as has conor whelan. All have had big impacts but I can't fit them in. Limerick haven't had too many standout performers in ones sense but a lot have been consistently 8/10 all the same - if that makes sense!
Surprised to see Barron not in a lot of teams. Think he walks into that team. Reid probably gets in but outside of Delaney I'm not sure anyone else is in contention. Murphys form has certainly dipped the last two seasons which is surprising.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 01/12/2020 04:40:09    2317217

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For me, there are a number of certainties at this stage, and the rest are up for grabs depending on the final displays

1. Nicky Quaid
2. Sean Finn (is there any more consistent 8.5 or above defender?)
3. Dan Morrissey
4. Up for grabs, but the All Stars panel will probably put someone in the number 4 spot who hurls elsewhere (like Conor Delaney or Conor Prunty)
5. Callum Lyons / Diarmuid Byrnes (if Byrnes has a stormer i the final and Callum Lyons is held)
6. Tadgh de Burca
7. Kyle Hayes
8. Jamie Barron
9. Undecided (likely Will O'Donoghue if he has a good final)
10. Gearoid Hegarty
11. Stephen Bennett
12. TJ Reid or Tom Morrissey
13. Tony Kelly
14. Definitely up for grabs. Likely Aaron Gillane or Austin Gleeson (who was taken off twice and played one great 35 minutes. Would need to be MOTM in final to warrant this, but the media have a way of hyping up Gleeson, Gilland, pa Horgan, etc.)
15. Conor Whelan (Dessie Hutchinson or Graeme Mulcahy could sneak in if they have a great final. Mulcahy had a great year so far, just quiet yesterday)

stpats1886 (Limerick) - Posts: 39 - 01/12/2020 05:22:21    2317218

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Replying To stekhli:  "I would tend to agree with about Dan Morrisey ahead of McNulty, even though McNulty has been outstanding throughout. With the all stars there is always a degree of creative rearranging so I suspect Daithi Burke and Dan Morrisey may both end up in the full back line despite both playing the same position. I do think Jamie Barron has done enough to get in there ahead of Tom Morrisey indirectly. Thought Morrisey was quiet enough in the Munster campaign. Honourable mention to Conor Delaney who has turned into a real man-marking specialist for Kilkenny"
It will really depend on the final and who wins and play well. AI winners generally get around 7 and losers around 4. Only nailed on so far are Hayes, Kelly, Reid, Hegarthy, Bennett. Galway will have to get 1 somewhere as beaten semi finalists with Burke most likely.

journeyman (Limerick) - Posts: 112 - 01/12/2020 09:18:25    2317229

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Replying To stpats1886:  "For me, there are a number of certainties at this stage, and the rest are up for grabs depending on the final displays

1. Nicky Quaid
2. Sean Finn (is there any more consistent 8.5 or above defender?)
3. Dan Morrissey
4. Up for grabs, but the All Stars panel will probably put someone in the number 4 spot who hurls elsewhere (like Conor Delaney or Conor Prunty)
5. Callum Lyons / Diarmuid Byrnes (if Byrnes has a stormer i the final and Callum Lyons is held)
6. Tadgh de Burca
7. Kyle Hayes
8. Jamie Barron
9. Undecided (likely Will O'Donoghue if he has a good final)
10. Gearoid Hegarty
11. Stephen Bennett
12. TJ Reid or Tom Morrissey
13. Tony Kelly
14. Definitely up for grabs. Likely Aaron Gillane or Austin Gleeson (who was taken off twice and played one great 35 minutes. Would need to be MOTM in final to warrant this, but the media have a way of hyping up Gleeson, Gilland, pa Horgan, etc.)
15. Conor Whelan (Dessie Hutchinson or Graeme Mulcahy could sneak in if they have a great final. Mulcahy had a great year so far, just quiet yesterday)"
TJ Reid or someone? Are you mad?

TJ Should be an absolute certainty.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 01/12/2020 10:54:21    2317253

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Replying To Onfor15:  "
Replying To stpats1886:  "For me, there are a number of certainties at this stage, and the rest are up for grabs depending on the final displays

1. Nicky Quaid
2. Sean Finn (is there any more consistent 8.5 or above defender?)
3. Dan Morrissey
4. Up for grabs, but the All Stars panel will probably put someone in the number 4 spot who hurls elsewhere (like Conor Delaney or Conor Prunty)
5. Callum Lyons / Diarmuid Byrnes (if Byrnes has a stormer i the final and Callum Lyons is held)
6. Tadgh de Burca
7. Kyle Hayes
8. Jamie Barron
9. Undecided (likely Will O'Donoghue if he has a good final)
10. Gearoid Hegarty
11. Stephen Bennett
12. TJ Reid or Tom Morrissey
13. Tony Kelly
14. Definitely up for grabs. Likely Aaron Gillane or Austin Gleeson (who was taken off twice and played one great 35 minutes. Would need to be MOTM in final to warrant this, but the media have a way of hyping up Gleeson, Gilland, pa Horgan, etc.)
15. Conor Whelan (Dessie Hutchinson or Graeme Mulcahy could sneak in if they have a great final. Mulcahy had a great year so far, just quiet yesterday)"
TJ Reid or someone? Are you mad?

TJ Should be an absolute certainty."
I agree with you, that he has put in the performances to warrant an all-star. However, the panel may go with Tom Morrissey if he has a great final, or give a wing-forward spot to Tony Kelly in order to get him into the team. Personally I think it is fairer to put Tony Kelly corner-forward as (1) he actually lined out there at least once and (2) it frees up the number 12 spot which will be a straight shoot between TJ (odds-on) and possibly Toim Morrissey if he gets 1-4 in the final.

stpats1886 (Limerick) - Posts: 39 - 01/12/2020 18:47:40    2317416

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All Stars are always a farce. In 1998 Brian Whelehan Got hurler of the year and didn't get an All Star enough said.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 01/12/2020 21:40:24    2317482

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Replying To gatha:  "All Stars are always a farce. In 1998 Brian Whelehan Got hurler of the year and didn't get an All Star enough said."
Think that was a watershed moment for the process changing, think that was 94 too

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 01/12/2020 22:19:15    2317495

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Joe was exceptional from dead-balls and sidelines and was very good from general play against Kilkenny and decent against Tipp, but not very influential overall. He's playing a deeper role in general now. Not All-Star form.
Concannon and Whelan were our 2 best forwards by a distance this year. I'd hope one of them gets an All-Star. Both won't since we didn't get past the semi-final. Daithí Burke and one of those 2 will be our lot at best, I'd say."
Concannon should get in but depends on the final. Both wont get in for the reason you said. Due to Limerick getting to the final, Dan Morrissey may get in ahead of Burke.

For the 6 forward positions you have TJ, Hegarty, Morrissey, (potentially Lynch if not midfield), Whelan, Concannon, Bennett, Gleeson (only if he has a good final), Fagan, Hutchison and Tony Kelly so theres a lot of competition there to.

One of Kelly or Lynch could be picked at midfield with Barron. Honourable mentions also to Burke from Dublin and Mannion from Galway.

A lot depends on the final. Stephen O'Brien in the football would have definitely got one last year if they had lost their semi final but quietish finals done him out of it - so it can be a funny process.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 01/12/2020 23:53:38    2317525

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Outside of Conor Whelan, for the left corner forward spot, Peter Casey and Graeme Mulcahy are neck and neck for this, along with Dessie Hutchinson. If Peter Casey starts and plays well in the final, he should get it. He has 3 points vs Clare and Waterford, 1 vs Tipp, and 2 vs Galway. He did trojan work in all three games. Similar story for Graeme Mulcahy. Uncharacteristically quiet in the semi final but as folks have pointed out, he was hampered by the sweeper systems and got no ball. Dessie Hutchinson would need to have a very good final to merit an all-star (Rory Hayes recovered well after the 2 goals in the game against Waterford)

stpats1886 (Limerick) - Posts: 39 - 02/12/2020 01:20:49    2317538

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Replying To stpats1886:  "
Replying To Onfor15:  "[quote=stpats1886:  "For me, there are a number of certainties at this stage, and the rest are up for grabs depending on the final displays

1. Nicky Quaid
2. Sean Finn (is there any more consistent 8.5 or above defender?)
3. Dan Morrissey
4. Up for grabs, but the All Stars panel will probably put someone in the number 4 spot who hurls elsewhere (like Conor Delaney or Conor Prunty)
5. Callum Lyons / Diarmuid Byrnes (if Byrnes has a stormer i the final and Callum Lyons is held)
6. Tadgh de Burca
7. Kyle Hayes
8. Jamie Barron
9. Undecided (likely Will O'Donoghue if he has a good final)
10. Gearoid Hegarty
11. Stephen Bennett
12. TJ Reid or Tom Morrissey
13. Tony Kelly
14. Definitely up for grabs. Likely Aaron Gillane or Austin Gleeson (who was taken off twice and played one great 35 minutes. Would need to be MOTM in final to warrant this, but the media have a way of hyping up Gleeson, Gilland, pa Horgan, etc.)
15. Conor Whelan (Dessie Hutchinson or Graeme Mulcahy could sneak in if they have a great final. Mulcahy had a great year so far, just quiet yesterday)"
TJ Reid or someone? Are you mad?

TJ Should be an absolute certainty."
I agree with you, that he has put in the performances to warrant an all-star. However, the panel may go with Tom Morrissey if he has a great final, or give a wing-forward spot to Tony Kelly in order to get him into the team. Personally I think it is fairer to put Tony Kelly corner-forward as (1) he actually lined out there at least once and (2) it frees up the number 12 spot which will be a straight shoot between TJ (odds-on) and possibly Toim Morrissey if he gets 1-4 in the final."]Tony Kelly will get one of the midfielders slots.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 02/12/2020 10:01:22    2317580

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Replying To gatha:  "All Stars are always a farce. In 1998 Brian Whelehan Got hurler of the year and didn't get an All Star enough said."
I think he got an All-Star in 1998 at full forward. Despite only playing in that position for 20 odd minutes in the final. He had a good 20 minutes mind you..
Its impossible to pick a team that will please everyone.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 02/12/2020 11:03:36    2317606

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Replying To Ban:  "I think he got an All-Star in 1998 at full forward. Despite only playing in that position for 20 odd minutes in the final. He had a good 20 minutes mind you..
Its impossible to pick a team that will please everyone."
You are right he was an All Star at full forward in 98. He was HOTY in 94 and didn't get an All Star. So the 2 years he was HOTY he didn't get an All Star at wing back. I don't put any value on All Stars but any team picked this year without T.J. Reid is ridiculous. He carried a weak Kilkenny team all year to a semi-final. He would be the 1st pick forward on both Waterford and Limerick in 2 weeks. No one better in he country the last 5 or so years.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 02/12/2020 12:39:31    2317635

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Replying To gatha:  "You are right he was an All Star at full forward in 98. He was HOTY in 94 and didn't get an All Star. So the 2 years he was HOTY he didn't get an All Star at wing back. I don't put any value on All Stars but any team picked this year without T.J. Reid is ridiculous. He carried a weak Kilkenny team all year to a semi-final. He would be the 1st pick forward on both Waterford and Limerick in 2 weeks. No one better in he country the last 5 or so years."
Agree T.J. the first of four certain picks in a badly flawed and useless process. The other three Tadgh DeBurca, Tony Kelly and Stephen Bennett.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 02/12/2020 13:43:55    2317665

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Sean Finn and gearoid hegarty?

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2220 - 02/12/2020 14:04:19    2317670

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Whats with TJ Reid been a certainty?

Didn't see the Dublin game but that's not the sort of game you take too much notice of when it comes to All Stars and he didn't play that well against Galway.

Its far too early to be calling players out as certainties as All Stars when there's a final to be played.

TheBishop (Galway) - Posts: 260 - 02/12/2020 14:24:06    2317677

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Replying To TheBishop:  "Whats with TJ Reid been a certainty?

Didn't see the Dublin game but that's not the sort of game you take too much notice of when it comes to All Stars and he didn't play that well against Galway.

Its far too early to be calling players out as certainties as All Stars when there's a final to be played."
T.J. was very good in every game. He has limited talent around him yet he constantly wins balls in the air, best free taker in the country, sets up other players and scores goals. If you watched any of his games as soon as he touched the ball there were 2 or 3 defenders around him. Too say he is not am automatic is just ignorant.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 02/12/2020 14:40:30    2317681

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Replying To TheBishop:  "Whats with TJ Reid been a certainty?

Didn't see the Dublin game but that's not the sort of game you take too much notice of when it comes to All Stars and he didn't play that well against Galway.

Its far too early to be calling players out as certainties as All Stars when there's a final to be played."
He was the best player on the pitch on Saturday IMO (including Stephen Bennett), caught puck outs, hit 1-14, set up a few other scores.

His performance probably saved KK from a 10+ point defeat.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 02/12/2020 14:42:24    2317685

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Sean Finn and gearoid hegarty?"
Limerick could be considered to fill the other 11 spots or most. Especially if they complete a sweep. I was not ruling these great players out just pondering outside of Limerick. No slight intended. Anyway I disagree with the whole All Star concept. "Star". Every county no matter what level they play at have a star. Every county nominate their best player. Having an All Star game is of no interest to anyone. If it is you have 36 players and you can play a game with them. Do something nice to promote the game.There seems to be no need to select as per position played anymore anyway.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 02/12/2020 18:25:20    2317758

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Jack Fagan

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 02/12/2020 19:42:11    2317785

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