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Yeah the headlines are fairly meaningless really. You'd need to do a review of the Balance Sheet and P & L for both to make any sort of reasonable comparison, debts, grants, commercial and other income etc. Dublin also has a number of CLG's registered to run things as far as I know, those numbers probably don't even account for all income. Worth noting Kerry's revenue the previous year was much lower at €3.5 m and they are also trying to service debts of €3m on their Curran's facility. My understanding is that they had to cut back on certain expenses this year such as physical therapy and nutrition etc. Not that they are badly off or anything, they are absolutely one of the better off counties, but they certainly don't have money to burn. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 06/12/2020 20:59:40 2319492 Link 7 |
Maths was never my strong point but a county with €1.2 m people making only 1.5 times the amount of a county with 150,000 people isn't exactly excessive. Kerry, led by the Kerry Group have 14 sponsors which weren't listed above. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-30947162.html%3ftype=amp There are many, many counties on this Island of ours that have legitimate reasons for being left behind. Kerry is not one of them. Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 06/12/2020 21:19:55 2319508 Link 7 |
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CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 06/12/2020 21:31:56 2319516 Link 2 |
Right so we are at the point were income figures don't matter, it's about profit and loss and what it's spent on. So that's all the Dublin irrelevant then. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/12/2020 21:40:08 2319524 Link 4 |
Someone mentioned earlier about profit. Another reason the likes of Kerry had nt big profit is because of location. Last year for example Kerry played super 8 game in CP semi in CP and two finals and Meath in Navan meaning large hotel bills for panel and backroom teams and travel etc. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 06/12/2020 21:41:30 2319527 Link 1 |
link Seeing as being able to use google is all that is required to show you are smarter than everyone else.... you picked one anomalous year and try to say it is the norm. Btw if you don't understand the difference between revenue and profit I can't help you I am afraid. Seeing as Dublin are so transparent can you post a usable link to the financial statements, I can't seem to find them online. I will quickly be able to tell you if there are linked enterprises, if not, I will stand corrected. Your grandstanding and playing gotcha based regurgitating a short newspaper article with minimal information in it and trying to make out you have done all this background research is gas. You are one hell of a bluffer, I will give you that. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 06/12/2020 22:07:34 2319534 Link 11 |
Maths doesn't need to be your strong point to work out which situation you would prefer financially. Dublin income: 2019: €5.25 mill, to operate GAA for 1.345million people. Kerry income 2019: €6.14mill to operate GAA for 147k people. If you landed in Ireland tonight and knew nothing about GAA which county would you think need intervention from the GAA in terms of financial fairness. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/12/2020 22:17:28 2319540 Link 7 |
Don't get me wrong Mick, I don't resent Kerry's big income in any way, nor Curran's or IT Tralee etc, fair play to Kerry, I'm delighted for them. I'm just providing a comparison of facts based on calls of sporting unfairness and competitiveness about Dublin, you know I don't accept. We've often said that Counties have natural advantages and disadvantages the cost of travel and accommodation in one for Kerry. But then you look at the cost of Curran's Vs Spawell and Hollystown. It's 7 mill land and finished facility via 3 mill in capital grants for Kerry GAA vs 24 mill and no capital grants just for the land for the DCB. Again I don't begrudge Kerry any of that, nor moaning about poor us, I'm just providing context and I hope balance to the debate. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/12/2020 22:27:11 2319544 Link 3 |
My first post on this subject. Split Dublin is bull., they have a phenomenal football team at the moment but there hurling team is average. Why cant Dublin be All Ireland contenders in Hurling. The problem with the GAA is they are money driven so wont get rid of proventual championship which are a joke in both codes. We need a champions league format for both codes and knockout after group stages. heartbroken (Galway) - Posts: 370 - 06/12/2020 22:58:17 2319557 Link 0 |
To answer pat Gilroy question of why Kerry and kilkennys dominance was sifferent to the way dublins dominance is now because kerry or Kilkenny never had a board set up by the GAA with the specific purpose to help them compete. There dominance was all driven from within the county and not a board set up by the GAA in 2003 . galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 06/12/2020 23:02:05 2319559 Link 2 |
Pat Gilroy was talking sense on Sunday game, no one else has a clue what the issue is even never mind a solution. This is a numbers game, but its not about how much money you have, it is all about what you spend it on. It is clear too the more rural/dospersed your county is, the worse off your county is likely to be, because the numbers are just not there to sustain a Division 1 team. And no amount of money will change this. If Dublin is to be split the other sacred cow will also happen in that some counties will have to amalgemate to compete in championship, end of Provincial system and hopefully you will end up with 16 odd highly competive teams. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 06/12/2020 23:15:55 2319565 Link 1 |
BTW you claim Dublin GAA acquired land to the value of €25m with no financial aid? With revenues of €5m and profits around €1m? Impossible! And I mean totally impossible. Can you explain how they funded those deals? And that is before they develop those sites, I understand that is moving on and will cost at least the same again. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 06/12/2020 23:32:42 2319569 Link 7 |
Awful panel, Mcentee as meath manager couldn't put a nose out of joint, Gilroy seemed on another planet while Des is the man who asked Gooch and Cavanagh 2 weeks ago is the leinster championship in trouble. bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 06/12/2020 23:32:45 2319570 Link 3 |
Right grand, we're claiming 2019 was a financial anomaly and financial results during a pandemic are the norm now, awful stuff to use a pandemic to minimise and try and push an agenda on a financial debate. In fact that enough interaction, I've no interest in engaging at that low level. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/12/2020 23:36:16 2319571 Link 2 |
Very interesting listening to pat gilt our tonight,on the offer from Dublin administration to other leinster counties but none took up the offer..is this down to being stubborn or these counties not wanting it known what is going in their own county?i thought gilroy spoke since,identify problems before pumping money.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2226 - 06/12/2020 23:46:25 2319574 Link 1 |
Seán Kelly said job done mission accomplished dublin are saved yeehaw we can all rest easy now and enjoy Christmas and can take you con's picture off the trócaire box. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 07/12/2020 08:12:18 2319609 Link 1 |
Oh I respect that Username. Also I don't believe for a second the gaa funding is the reason for Dubs success. As Ive said many a time the gaa are wrong the way they do it and now Dubs getting the brunt of it. Kerry have always had plenty of money as do other big counties. I ve no prob with sponsorship etc but I do believe the less fortunate counties should be helped by the gaa more so than the rest of us.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 07/12/2020 08:56:31 2319617 Link 1 |
2018 income was only just above half of 2019, you are trying to use an exception to prove your point and well you know it. I have never once claimed Kerry are badly off, even on this thread I have said we are one of the more privileged counties. Can you post a link to the unabridged financial statements for Dublin as requested. You were posting links all over the place not long ago trying to be the hero. It is a reasonable request in the context of the debate and your continuing narrative pushing Dublin as the bastions of transparency. It will only take you a moment. As I have said above Dublins revenue is miles out of whack with their planned CapEx projects. By your own admission they have spent €25m on land acquisition before they've even broken ground. I'm genuinely intrigued to know how they are paying for it all with so little income relatively speaking. The figures just don't add up. No doubt you will try to scamper to the high moral ground now because I doubt you have a clue as to the real story beyond a basic google search, but something is seriously amiss in those figures. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 07/12/2020 10:16:39 2319650 Link 9 |
Pat Gilroy who is a very smart man was not really on top of his brief last night. McEntee was a like an auld lad I would meet in the pub after a pint of two shooting the breeze. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 07/12/2020 10:18:03 2319651 Link 5 |
I felt a bit sorry for Andy in fairness, i think its was a bit of mismatch. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/12/2020 10:35:56 2319664 Link 1 |