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Its very unfortunate - and disappointing - to see some of the threads springing up in the last couple of days following Tyrone's fully deserved All Ireland win. Surely a few months before a ball is kicked in the league leaves plenty of time to discuss these matters? After all the All Ireland final saved what was an otherwise poor championship - a great climax to an indifferent season. And how many sendings off, bookings etc did the Champs pick up - one yellow I think. So the referee saw nothing foul or sinister - nor did the majority of spectators. They did see some niggle and some unsavouries - but mostly they saw great scores, fielding, endeavour, athleticism and commitment. True they may have saw very little sportsmanship but in all honesty I'm struggling to remember much of that from a whole summer of football - never mind one game. JayoCluxton (Dublin) - Posts: 2688 - 23/09/2008 22:49:39 106121 Link 0 |
continued ........ JayoCluxton (Dublin) - Posts: 2688 - 23/09/2008 22:53:35 106126 Link 0 |
Just reading about the failure of the campaign in England, and thinking the GAA will need one of those. patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 23/09/2008 23:37:48 106169 Link 0 |
Excellent suggestions Jayo and posted with your usual eloquence. Sadly, this is as far as it will go, unless Boxtyeater (Leitrim) - Posts: 745 - 23/09/2008 23:46:50 106175 Link 0 |
Just to put a Kerry slant on this and to hold our hands up also. Down here we have been rightly accused of diving and notebook slapping (Which IS a form of abuse towards an umpire) and in all fairness almost all of us were appalled by both of these incidents. No place for them and I'm glad actually now that Galvin did not lift Sam. As for a couple of sending offs that we had, 1 marc o'se's was rightly overturned which left Darragh'2 sending off's. No place for boxing and Darragh was right to get a RED Card but there is no place for nipple pinching either and this kind of stuff has to be pulled with stronger punishment. As for Darraghs first sending off it all happened right in front of me and the refs view point was very very 1 sided throughout the 10 minute spell that this was going on. He was getting an awful amount of abuse, punches in the back, pinching etc and all he did was tap O'Neill on the back on 2 occassions when going up for a high ball to get his second yellow. The ref had warned Darragh but it should have been the other way around. I thought O'Neill was disgraceful that day and had obviously been swapped at half time and given clear instruction to man handle Darragh and take him out of the game. Darragh is no saint either and has a history and we all know that but not really much at fault that day down in Cork. I think all managers should cut out the Diving, I've no doubt that O'Mahony's poor performance in the final had something to do with the inability to handle the embarrassment of the dive. the likes of Galvins carry on has no place in our sports and managers and players shouls start to respect the refereee more. Otherwise it will creep down into our game and become commonplace at grassroots level and if this happens it will never be gotton rid of. Same with the diving. Violence - a physical game with winners playing in very intense circumstances is formula for aggro. I dont condone it but can see how it happens. I know there are a lot of parents out there who consider it too violent for their children which is a shame on the assocciation. Has to be stamped out as much as possible but as we all know has been in our game for a long time now. Maybe stronger penalties will make people think twice. Feigning injury - as unhonourable as diving. No place for it. People jumping up off the ground once a card has been branded. As for the CCCC, DRA etc. This was brought in to ensure internal resolution and stop countys taking decisions to the law courts which was really a disgrace. I think minimum punishment should be given so that there is nothing to appeal. If they want to increase the minimum punishment then that is fine. Only in exceptional circumstances should it go higher than the minimum. thykingdomcome (Kerry) - Posts: 1206 - 24/09/2008 07:52:29 106229 Link 0 |
God Jayo thats some read lad, are you a priest by any chance ! Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 24/09/2008 09:27:26 106254 Link 0 |
Jayo....you could have been a writer on Dawsons Creek with all those big words. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 24/09/2008 09:31:18 106259 Link 0 |
Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 24/09/2008 10:02:59 106285 Link 0 |
Just coming to terms with game now.never been so gutted after a game. woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 24/09/2008 10:03:05 106286 Link 0 |
God Jayo thats some read lad, are you a priest by any chance ! JayoCluxton (Dublin) - Posts: 2688 - 24/09/2008 10:27:46 106312 Link 0 |
Well given the threads and posts we've had since Sunday I thought I'd throw this one out there. And throw in a possible way forward - a way of opening up discussion. The lack of interest in discussing it (not one reply from a Tyrone poster for example) seems to indicate that I'm all wrong - there is nothing the matter with our game. How silly of me. Lets carry on! For all the indignation shown this week - no-one has commented or suggested improvements. Easier to throw muck I suppose! Ah well, if its not broke don't fix it! JayoCluxton (Dublin) - Posts: 2688 - 24/09/2008 12:59:28 106518 Link 0 |
JayoC, I think the lack of respect you mention could be ascribed to a lot of other aspects of society these days and not just the football pitch. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9972 - 24/09/2008 14:31:50 106646 Link 0 |
I agree with all that was said. As a Limerick man i must relay an incident in a League match a number of years back when an average player on our county hurlers took a dive near the opponents end with a few minutes to go in an attempt to engineer a free. The roars the came from the crowd to get up you edjit to much worse were heard all round from both Limerick and Clare supporters. Limerick wanted no silly stuff and a score, Clare were insulted by the act and rightly so. 87LK100 (Limerick) - Posts: 65 - 24/09/2008 14:51:59 106677 Link 0 |
Great post, Jayo: very thought-provoking and sensible. However, we need to be careful that the rose-tinted glasses suggesting past times were always better is framed with some realism. You mentioned the great JBM in the post. Those of us who are old enough to remember the 70s will remember exactly why he gave up inter-county football: too much off the ball treatment from a particular corner-back. Football to-day is not perfect but it has many facets that are far more appealing than that played in past eras. football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 24/09/2008 15:07:13 106692 Link 0 |
24/09/2008 12:59:28 RMDrive (Donegal) - Posts: 2202 - 24/09/2008 15:10:04 106701 Link 0 |
I'll argue with you!! JayoCluxton (Dublin) - Posts: 2688 - 24/09/2008 15:23:06 106731 Link 0 |
"The problem is i think that a point scored from play these days is worth only one point. It stiffles ambition. If your a point up teams try and protect it. Imagine if a point from play was worth two points. It would encourage players to chance their luck and might root out the protection of a lead. benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1447 - 24/09/2008 15:24:33 106736 Link 0 |
People have very skewed opinions on some of these things. Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12484 - 24/09/2008 15:32:18 106748 Link 0 |
Patrique, who are these best players in Antrim who won't play for the county team? fear an chamain (Antrim) - Posts: 12 - 24/09/2008 15:35:37 106754 Link 0 |
I watched the game live and haven't seen the reply yet and it seemed like a tight, intense game, and it was the first competitive final in three years (in hurling and football?). Bit niggly at times, but other than that, a top spectacle, with 1-14 scored from play in the second half. People are nostalgic for some type of football that never actually existed - i've seen enough All Ireland Gold to realise that. It's like my dad said - "they don't like it up 'em." MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 24/09/2008 15:39:11 106760 Link 0 |