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Probably one way of describing the defending v Kildare but I think that lack of technique is another way of putting it. Modern day tackling involves properly executed shoulder to shoulder tackles but in Dublin's case it involves being up so tight to the man in possession that when he has to release the ball they are on to it in a flash and often two or three are involved but as those two or three move in for the turn over other players also move to cover any support players that the player in possession had in his vicinity. In other words there is a second ring of cover there. So management we presume knew there was a problem against Kildare and went for a plan B of sorts. This I think turned out to be a case of the cure being worse than the disease. Look we all knew in our heart of hearts that we were up against it we were opened up so easily that even yet it is so frustrating with very little I felt being done to correct it. Now I don't think that there are too many teams that would be opened up so easily directly through the centre as we were for the first goal. Soul destroying the whole episode. I am very much afraid that we are in a serious decline. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1066 - 25/11/2020 01:07:34 2315076 Link 3 |
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Disorganised, no solid free taker, no viable kick out strategy. His 4th year in charge simple mistakes are being made repeatedly made. He has to go Ed2010 (Meath) - Posts: 93 - 25/11/2020 08:27:15 2315089 Link 2 |
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Agreed. Our defending last year was much superior with little change in personnel. Hickey should definitely have started. McMahon is really not a suitable option at 11 especially with the mark playing a huge role now. We should be looking for a Joe Sheridan/Joe Cassells type figure who would be an option for kickouts. Cannot afford himself and O'Sullivan on same line. Perhaps Shane Walsh may be an option. Hard to know his best position. I believe Jones has potential to be a very good midfielder but needs to develop his skills.
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 511 - 25/11/2020 09:39:24 2315094 Link 1 |
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There is a full root and branch review needed on both codes in the county, we have coaches in both codes at under age level who should not be there, particularly in hurling, most of the football coaches have some level of experience above the level they are dealing with at county level, hurling wise there are to many parents involved in teams just because they have to bring Johnny to Dunganny on a Saturday and that's not exactly the fault of C&G as i know the interest level is not there as much a the football. StickFan (Meath) - Posts: 217 - 26/11/2020 12:49:34 2315590 Link 3 |
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Jones is a class act.
bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 26/11/2020 13:06:42 2315599 Link 0 |
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Its Very hard to see where we go from here but we must keep going , as said by other posters our backs simply didn't perform like they did last year they where a few yards off their markers most of the game vs the Dubs. Our short Kick outs have been in our game since Andy has taken charge and does work if someone makes a move outfield but most of the time no one does so cant really blame the Goalkeeper too much. When O'Rourke was in goal he had the same problem of picking out a man and a lot of scores came off him kicking straight to the opposition. Andy doesn't really have much faith in our Midfield winning any high ball. Andy has another year to improve things and to get us back to Division 1 and that must be the aim . We all know we are not that bad but the lack of Hard tackling and our whole backline off the pace we looked awful. SheridansTry (Meath) - Posts: 180 - 27/11/2020 12:21:27 2315901 Link 0 |
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Seen in the independent today that apparently the divisions will be split into 2. Our group is projected to be Mayo, Westmeath, Down and ourselves. Top two in the group go into semi finals. (1st vs 2nd from the other group), bottom two into a relegation playoff (3rd vs 4th in the other group). The winner of the two semi finals would be promoted and the loser of the two 3rd vs 4th matchups would be relegated LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1461 - 27/11/2020 13:00:12 2315908 Link 7 |
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Name who should take his place?
Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 479 - 27/11/2020 14:06:19 2315926 Link 0 |
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not directly related but I think associated , the Tyrone thing will be really interesting to see how the County fares post MH. a burning question has got to be how much of the success of Tryone was down to Mickey, or how much was been learned , developed & implemented by CB over the last number of years ,so that either a) Tyrone push on under new Management or at worse don't fall back by much. If either of these are the end result , its says that Tyrone have the building blocks in place and the icing on the cake is just getting the right man at the end of the production line. back to Andy. In our current circumstances, I see no alternative to Andy. i'll give Andy his fair due on this....he will or has achieved anything to date , by fighting tooth & nail down in CB for that success...it wont have come easy , and many others would have walked away pulling their hair out well before now. So Andy to stay and hopefully better days ahead for him next year, Thelongwoodslasher (Meath) - Posts: 385 - 27/11/2020 16:11:17 2315961 Link 0 |
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League now looks set to start in Feb, this means we have little choice but to stick with current management set-up and same panel of players, hopefully McEntee and Harnan will be back from injury. Little opportunity to look at alternatives. Presuming Indo. has facts right, there would be little between ourselves Down and Westmeath, Mayo would be favourites to top group, one poor result and we could find ourselves in playoff to avoid relegation, little room for error in this system. Get things rights and we are capable of progression, however, can we fix the recurring faults that have held us back by February, or are we looking at more of the same? seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2149 - 27/11/2020 20:14:13 2316019 Link 14 |
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This is not necessarily the case. If we stick as we are, we are more likely to be in same position last year unless management decide to learn really fast all of a sudden. Obviously we have been talking about keeper issue etc. for quite a while now.
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 511 - 28/11/2020 10:37:58 2316116 Link 2 |
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"League now looks set to start in Feb, this means we have little choice but to stick with current management set-up ". If we adopt this attitude there will never be a change. There is plenty of time for change. Look at our neighbours, Louth, they had a replacement in about 3 weeks. And indeed Tyrone have Mickey Harte replaced already. But with our county committee's propensity for inertia I have to reluctantly agree that there is probably not enough time to appoint replacements, or to even shake the current bunch.
MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1066 - 28/11/2020 11:52:19 2316128 Link 2 |
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I have said in many previous post my preference would be for a change in management, however what chance would new set-up have to get panel together, there will be no O Byrne Cup to give chance to have a look at new players, cannot see much interest if new manager just inherits previous managers squad. So I think time-line is too tight, especiall at the speed our CB has operated in the past. New Tyrone management have been involved with county set-up for a few years and seemed to be nailed on certs to succeed Harte for some time now. I dont think Louth had a manager in place, so when Harte became available they jumped, either rightly or wrongly time will tell. Still some doubt if new league format is yet a certainity, reading in todays Examiner. https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40097942.html "THE GAA won't make a decision on the 2021 calendar until next month as they weigh up the possibility of commencing the club season before county" This in the hope crowds may return later in the year. So there may indeed be time for change, but doubt if it will happen. seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2149 - 28/11/2020 16:23:56 2316191 Link 17 |
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"So I think time-line is too tight, especiall at the speed our CB has operated in the past." You hit the nail on the head there. But there is speculation that the club season may now start first with the intercounty taking place in the latter part of the year. Then there would be plenty of time for change and the new management team would be able to vet the club scene for fresh talent. But as I said this is speculation. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1066 - 29/11/2020 12:29:23 2316437 Link 4 |
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Give it a rest. Andy isn't going anywhere much to a very small minority of clueless so called supporters annoyance So dry ur eyes. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/11/2020 18:26:42 2316566 Link 0 |
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Im not clueless, I'm a staunch Meath supporter and I don't think I'm in a minority. I wouldn't be massively annoyed if he remained another year but I do think he should go. No excuses for that performance.
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1319 - 29/11/2020 18:50:01 2316587 Link 17 |
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Wasn't aimed at you. But to go back to where we were. We have made tremendous strides. We are constantly been compared to dubs. That's unfair. I firmly believe we could and probably would have won any other provincial title this year. We better than Cavan, better than tipp and on par with mayo. Let's not forget where we were when Andy took over. The lowest I have ever seen the county. According to some players (senior ones ) if Andy goes so do they. He has one more year. Let the man finish what he started. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/11/2020 19:54:38 2316635 Link 0 |
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In fairness I'd say it is a minority but a rather sizable one at that. In my own view; we can't let the knee jerk reaction reign supreme here Crin; give the man another year and re-evaluate then. Im with you on the performance vs. The Dubs but Im also in agreement with others regards his acheivements and weighing it off points me toward giving McEntee more time to build on this team that he has built-up, and is still building. The possibility of someone else coming in and butchering our fragile successes is too great, and I emphasise fragile. This team isn't even finished or near finished and needs a lot of work. A cowboy would set us back years and years and leave us in the doldrums. It's too much of a risk to take, and we have to reserve respect for Andy's acheivements. Unless we're looking at the hail mary superstar coach, which we aren't, we simply have to hold course.
Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 589 - 29/11/2020 21:55:27 2316690 Link 19 |
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100% agree, a rare common sense post on here, without hysterics and fantasies about where meath football is and should be at the minute. Refreshing post.
southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 890 - 30/11/2020 07:04:03 2316740 Link 18 |
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That's fair enough. I'd go along with yourself and younggaels views on this. Give him another year in absence of any outstanding candidates ( let's be honest, Meath CB are hardly going to identify a diamond in the rough, even if one did exist, and then have conviction to carry it through).
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1319 - 30/11/2020 12:15:51 2316864 Link 14 |