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Meath V Dublin Leinster Final.

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Good question Joxer. I'm sure they would have won a good few anyway but not as much as Dublin. The reason being is that they are not as good as Dublin. Taking Dubs out of Leinster does nt make sense while the provincial are still in place. It's up to other teams to try get to Dublin's level and not for the rest of us to try move the goalposts. I'm all for fair play and that is to be fair to every team. With that in mind the leinster championship should honour a home and away agreement. E g if Dubs play Laois in Croker then next time it has to be Portlaoise and not Kilkenny. However if Dubs get home draw then it's their choice to play at home in Parnell or Croker.Anytime i bring this up some posters think it's anti dub. Well those who think that are very sensitive. Fair play for Dublin too. They are entitled to play home games where thetly like. But if Leinster are trying to help let the teams that get home venue have it. The Leinster council have not let this happen and have made all the teams that got home venue v dublin play neutral. Now that's wrong and it's not helping. Will it make them beat Dublin. Probably not but they l be in more comfortable surroundings and play easier. Also it might put an end to the constant complaints. Give the weaker teams a little leeway but don't punish Dublin either. Maybe Dublin should be made play with a bag of spuds on their back. They D prob still win lol. This is a golden generation for Dublin that will fade a little in a few years when teams come up to their standard. This should nt be about bringing Dublin down but more about pushing teams to get up to their level. I expect Dublin to win again this year but come January I'll be getting my chest out again in hope for next year and who knows!"
Kerry slipped up and so too did Donegal yesterday. Both snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.The door is now well ajar now for the Dubs. I don't think Cavan will offer up much to be honest and I think Mayo will take care of Tipp. Mayo have given us some great battles in the past. No crowd could be a leveller though Mayo normally outnumber the Dubs in the final. The Dubs will play anywhere so no complaints playing games in Newbridge, Portlaoise, Navan as long as tickets are available. I think had Kerry got through they could have given the Dubs a real rattle this year but they let their guard down. Keane got it badly wrong. The quality in Leinster is dog poor. Removing Dublin will not uplift the quality of other counties. They'll have to work on that themselves and the Leinster champs would be in for a right shock in the AI series.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4261 - 23/11/2020 19:33:20    2314226

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "No disrespect to Meath but I think the last two leinster final results in particular shine a light on the issues within the province. If Meath or any other county was competitive in a leinster final against Dublin, the issues would go unnoticed but Dublin have hammered Meath, Kildare, Laois and Westmeath in finals this decade ; no county can compete with them and it has killed interest in football in the province. I think that the GAA should rotate Dublin between the provinces on a yearly basis, give other leinster teams a chance and see if any teams in the other provinces can beat them then we will know if it is all down to other leinster counties or not. I won't hold my breath on this suggestion happening."
Not a bad suggestion. I don't agree with the assertion that non Leinster teams would be routinely hammered by the Dubs. The evidence tells us different as apart from Roscommon I don't think any other non Leinster team have been beaten by double digits against the Dubs in the championship since they have started to dominate. Can't recall the Cork Dub score last year. Maybe that is the other exception. Anyway would be willing to test your proposal. I just think that no other Leinster team is top 8 based on league and championship in recent seasons. Kildare would have potential. Meath talk a good game and have unearthed talent in Morris and Walsh but have not exploited population increase. I admit the Leinster Council have a case to answer in terms of funding distribution. The John Connellan open letter was an eye opener.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1730 - 23/11/2020 19:44:46    2314234

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Replying To Joxer:  "Kerry slipped up and so too did Donegal yesterday. Both snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.The door is now well ajar now for the Dubs. I don't think Cavan will offer up much to be honest and I think Mayo will take care of Tipp. Mayo have given us some great battles in the past. No crowd could be a leveller though Mayo normally outnumber the Dubs in the final. The Dubs will play anywhere so no complaints playing games in Newbridge, Portlaoise, Navan as long as tickets are available. I think had Kerry got through they could have given the Dubs a real rattle this year but they let their guard down. Keane got it badly wrong. The quality in Leinster is dog poor. Removing Dublin will not uplift the quality of other counties. They'll have to work on that themselves and the Leinster champs would be in for a right shock in the AI series."
Yes Mayo are the team than can push Dublin to the limit but Tipp will give them a hard game and maybe even win. However Tipp won't be a match for Dubs at all. Cavan won't bother dubs no disrespect to them. Kerry Donegal and Tyrone fell and that's the way it goes. I agree with you Jooxer on Leinster. If Dublin were gone it would nt make the others better but maybe worse. Its up to them to catch up.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 573 - 23/11/2020 19:56:34    2314242

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Good question Joxer. I'm sure they would have won a good few anyway but not as much as Dublin. The reason being is that they are not as good as Dublin. Taking Dubs out of Leinster does nt make sense while the provincial are still in place. It's up to other teams to try get to Dublin's level and not for the rest of us to try move the goalposts. I'm all for fair play and that is to be fair to every team. With that in mind the leinster championship should honour a home and away agreement. E g if Dubs play Laois in Croker then next time it has to be Portlaoise and not Kilkenny. However if Dubs get home draw then it's their choice to play at home in Parnell or Croker.Anytime i bring this up some posters think it's anti dub. Well those who think that are very sensitive. Fair play for Dublin too. They are entitled to play home games where thetly like. But if Leinster are trying to help let the teams that get home venue have it. The Leinster council have not let this happen and have made all the teams that got home venue v dublin play neutral. Now that's wrong and it's not helping. Will it make them beat Dublin. Probably not but they l be in more comfortable surroundings and play easier. Also it might put an end to the constant complaints. Give the weaker teams a little leeway but don't punish Dublin either. Maybe Dublin should be made play with a bag of spuds on their back. They D prob still win lol. This is a golden generation for Dublin that will fade a little in a few years when teams come up to their standard. This should nt be about bringing Dublin down but more about pushing teams to get up to their level. I expect Dublin to win again this year but come January I'll be getting my chest out again in hope for next year and who knows!"
Serious question but how are teams supposed to catch up to dublin mick?

dublin are not going to go into decline they're not even near operating at their optimum yet.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11699 - 23/11/2020 20:24:39    2314265

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Oh give up with your faux outrage. I stand by 100% by what I posted."
Jaysis, you're a fair hand at the oul outrage yourself, faux or otherwise. I'd say you're vacuum packed with moral outrage. Hoganstand's very own purveyor of saevo indignatio!!!
Your bitterness and propensity for outrage blind you to fact that that was a dignified meaningful gesture. Jesus, if a Dublin man discovered a vaccine for Covid you'd find something to be indignant about.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1310 - 23/11/2020 20:25:49    2314267

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Serious question but how are teams supposed to catch up to dublin mick?

dublin are not going to go into decline they're not even near operating at their optimum yet."
Maybe do what Tipp and Cavan did or do you just like asking questions because it makes you look thoughtful. Note I didn't say look intelligent.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1636 - 23/11/2020 20:59:24    2314295

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Replying To HighKings:  "The vitriol on here is almost depressing as the match. Can people please refrain from posting nasty comments about other posters. If someone has a different opinion, that's fine. And apologies to the Tyrone poster for some of my fellow county man's comments re the North. They are not representative of me or most of the county.

To focus on the important discussion of the Leinster Championship. I have no issue with the Dublin team or Dublin GAA but massive change is needed and it's needed immediately. Other counties sneering at rest of the Leinster counties for not being brave or courageous or working hard enough is naive and not in keeping with the ethics of a real GAA person. These young players are training just as hard as any other county, but their confidence is shot and players aren't making themselves available anymore. As Mickey Quinn said on Off The Ball, everytime you get smashed by Dublin it sets the county back by three years and you lose players.

Dublin are like a black hole and the other Leinster counties are caught in their gravity. The idea that this was a once in a generation group of players, which was always a complete fallacy, has been put to bed, and the idea that Dublin not having huge success at minor means this run is gonna come to an end is fantasy stuff. Dublin aren't worried about winning All Irelands at that grade.

Next year Covid will hopefully be gone and crowds will be allowed back at matches. But you might not notice that at Leinster games involving Dublin. Opposition fans and even Dublin fans themselves aren't going to be bothered going. The stats on attendance figures in Leinster don't lie. What used to be sellout games against Dublin are now eerily quiet, even preCovid.

The natural next step is parents like me pushing our kids in the direction of other sports. If the GAA and our own County Boards continue to fail to show an understanding of the seriousness of this situation or the GAA fail to show that they care about the Leinster counties outside of Dublin then I feel like it's not an Association I want my kids to be involved in."
HighKings, nothing to apologise for, water off a ducks back. Bit of craic to be honest with you. Micky on his road down to Leinster I see so hopefully can kickstart at bit of life into Louth. Meath v Louth would be interesting for us now. Wouldn't like things to change concerning the Dubs. The rest of Ireland has to strive to come up to their level , they can't get any better and everyone else can. Good luck.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 271 - 23/11/2020 21:41:43    2314335

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Serious question but how are teams supposed to catch up to dublin mick?

dublin are not going to go into decline they're not even near operating at their optimum yet."
Kerry Donegal Tyrone Mayo are not that far behind. The problem for the teams are we are capable of being beaten by other team s that Dublin won't be beaten by. Dublin are top of the ladder but we just a ring behind. No disrespect to Cork or Cavan but they were a rung below us. Now it might be hard to climb 2 rungs of the ladder but if they able to climb one rung and beat Kerry and Donegal maybe the 4 mentioned teams can climb one rung to beat Dublin.. I posted a month ago that this could be dublin's easiest all ireland because any of the contenders might be ko D before they got chance to meet Dublin and it happened bar Mayo. Look at the mó it's all Dublin and rightly so but if you check posts a few weeks ago nany Dublin posters were picking Kerry to win Sam.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 573 - 23/11/2020 22:03:28    2314359

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