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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Pity Costello didn't pay a bit of respect to the linesman the last night mes." ??????
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 23/11/2020 14:14:06
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The dubs should have laid a wreath for the football championship while they were at it.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 23/11/2020 14:15:17
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "So you think it's OK to abuse a linesman? I wonder does his father think what he said to the linesman was mean spirited!" Never said that , what i did in fact say is pity you cant stop whinging about the big bad Dubs
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 23/11/2020 14:16:03
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The vitriol on here is almost depressing as the match. Can people please refrain from posting nasty comments about other posters. If someone has a different opinion, that's fine. And apologies to the Tyrone poster for some of my fellow county man's comments re the North. They are not representative of me or most of the county.
To focus on the important discussion of the Leinster Championship. I have no issue with the Dublin team or Dublin GAA but massive change is needed and it's needed immediately. Other counties sneering at rest of the Leinster counties for not being brave or courageous or working hard enough is naive and not in keeping with the ethics of a real GAA person. These young players are training just as hard as any other county, but their confidence is shot and players aren't making themselves available anymore. As Mickey Quinn said on Off The Ball, everytime you get smashed by Dublin it sets the county back by three years and you lose players.
Dublin are like a black hole and the other Leinster counties are caught in their gravity. The idea that this was a once in a generation group of players, which was always a complete fallacy, has been put to bed, and the idea that Dublin not having huge success at minor means this run is gonna come to an end is fantasy stuff. Dublin aren't worried about winning All Irelands at that grade.
Next year Covid will hopefully be gone and crowds will be allowed back at matches. But you might not notice that at Leinster games involving Dublin. Opposition fans and even Dublin fans themselves aren't going to be bothered going. The stats on attendance figures in Leinster don't lie. What used to be sellout games against Dublin are now eerily quiet, even preCovid.
The natural next step is parents like me pushing our kids in the direction of other sports. If the GAA and our own County Boards continue to fail to show an understanding of the seriousness of this situation or the GAA fail to show that they care about the Leinster counties outside of Dublin then I feel like it's not an Association I want my kids to be involved in.
HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 23/11/2020 14:34:04
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "The dubs should have laid a wreath for the football championship while they were at it." Oh such bitterness -:)
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 23/11/2020 15:06:37
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Replying To MesAmis: "??????" I dunno either Mes. Someone has let him loose with the laptop and needs to take it back off him.
Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 23/11/2020 15:07:57
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Replying To HighKings: "The vitriol on here is almost depressing as the match. Can people please refrain from posting nasty comments about other posters. If someone has a different opinion, that's fine. And apologies to the Tyrone poster for some of my fellow county man's comments re the North. They are not representative of me or most of the county.
To focus on the important discussion of the Leinster Championship. I have no issue with the Dublin team or Dublin GAA but massive change is needed and it's needed immediately. Other counties sneering at rest of the Leinster counties for not being brave or courageous or working hard enough is naive and not in keeping with the ethics of a real GAA person. These young players are training just as hard as any other county, but their confidence is shot and players aren't making themselves available anymore. As Mickey Quinn said on Off The Ball, everytime you get smashed by Dublin it sets the county back by three years and you lose players.
Dublin are like a black hole and the other Leinster counties are caught in their gravity. The idea that this was a once in a generation group of players, which was always a complete fallacy, has been put to bed, and the idea that Dublin not having huge success at minor means this run is gonna come to an end is fantasy stuff. Dublin aren't worried about winning All Irelands at that grade.
Next year Covid will hopefully be gone and crowds will be allowed back at matches. But you might not notice that at Leinster games involving Dublin. Opposition fans and even Dublin fans themselves aren't going to be bothered going. The stats on attendance figures in Leinster don't lie. What used to be sellout games against Dublin are now eerily quiet, even preCovid.
The natural next step is parents like me pushing our kids in the direction of other sports. If the GAA and our own County Boards continue to fail to show an understanding of the seriousness of this situation or the GAA fail to show that they care about the Leinster counties outside of Dublin then I feel like it's not an Association I want my kids to be involved in." Genuine question, had Mayo or Kerry, and not Dublin, been in Leinster these last 10 years, how do you think things would have panned out? I genuinely think that they would have hoovered up the titles. The problem isn't so much Dublin here but the lack of progress by other Leinster counties. The league positions and qualifier results tell us this. I agree that we need a solution in Leinster but I guarantee that if Dublin move out then all we will have is a weak quality provincial competition, the winner of which will be tanked in the AI series. Removing the benchmark will give nothing for counties to aim for in the province. You become the best by playing the best. This genesis of this Dublin team was formed in the aftermath of hammerings to Tyrone and Kerry. Startled earwigs soon became championship winners.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 23/11/2020 15:14:42
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "The dubs should have laid a wreath for the football championship while they were at it." I actually think we should have laid a wreath for Kerry football!
DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 23/11/2020 15:19:19
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Replying To Joxer: "Yeah he's some Rebel alright that Costello fella." Joxer don't mention Rebels to a Kerryman its a bit of a sore point for them these days!
DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 23/11/2020 15:21:22
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Replying To HighKings: "The vitriol on here is almost depressing as the match. Can people please refrain from posting nasty comments about other posters. If someone has a different opinion, that's fine. And apologies to the Tyrone poster for some of my fellow county man's comments re the North. They are not representative of me or most of the county.
To focus on the important discussion of the Leinster Championship. I have no issue with the Dublin team or Dublin GAA but massive change is needed and it's needed immediately. Other counties sneering at rest of the Leinster counties for not being brave or courageous or working hard enough is naive and not in keeping with the ethics of a real GAA person. These young players are training just as hard as any other county, but their confidence is shot and players aren't making themselves available anymore. As Mickey Quinn said on Off The Ball, everytime you get smashed by Dublin it sets the county back by three years and you lose players.
Dublin are like a black hole and the other Leinster counties are caught in their gravity. The idea that this was a once in a generation group of players, which was always a complete fallacy, has been put to bed, and the idea that Dublin not having huge success at minor means this run is gonna come to an end is fantasy stuff. Dublin aren't worried about winning All Irelands at that grade.
Next year Covid will hopefully be gone and crowds will be allowed back at matches. But you might not notice that at Leinster games involving Dublin. Opposition fans and even Dublin fans themselves aren't going to be bothered going. The stats on attendance figures in Leinster don't lie. What used to be sellout games against Dublin are now eerily quiet, even preCovid.
The natural next step is parents like me pushing our kids in the direction of other sports. If the GAA and our own County Boards continue to fail to show an understanding of the seriousness of this situation or the GAA fail to show that they care about the Leinster counties outside of Dublin then I feel like it's not an Association I want my kids to be involved in." 2008 Wexford were beaten by 23 points by Dublin in a Leinster Final but went on to be beaten by Tyrone by 6 in the AI Semi Final, it didn't set them by three years then. While it took them three years to get back to a Leinster final it had nothing to do with collapsing rather beaten by other teams along the way but not by much Kildare and Dublin. They went off the scene after that because the CB hadn't put any effort into developing an underage structure that would have used the success at senior level to push on the standards and keep them competitive. I believe over a 21 year period 1999-2020 Kilkenny have won 16 leister titles and if consider how competitive it has been recently then you understand how everyone felt for the best part of 20 years going to CP and getting hammerings and thinking we could never compete with them.
People will make all kinds of arguments why its different now with Dublin (but not oddly enough Dublin Hurling) and some of it may be true but there is too much talk and not enough action on the home front and getting the clubs and the county board to invest in youth.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 23/11/2020 15:36:51
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Replying To zinny: "2008 Wexford were beaten by 23 points by Dublin in a Leinster Final but went on to be beaten by Tyrone by 6 in the AI Semi Final, it didn't set them by three years then. While it took them three years to get back to a Leinster final it had nothing to do with collapsing rather beaten by other teams along the way but not by much Kildare and Dublin. They went off the scene after that because the CB hadn't put any effort into developing an underage structure that would have used the success at senior level to push on the standards and keep them competitive. I believe over a 21 year period 1999-2020 Kilkenny have won 16 leister titles and if consider how competitive it has been recently then you understand how everyone felt for the best part of 20 years going to CP and getting hammerings and thinking we could never compete with them.
People will make all kinds of arguments why its different now with Dublin (but not oddly enough Dublin Hurling) and some of it may be true but there is too much talk and not enough action on the home front and getting the clubs and the county board to invest in youth." Scared the bejaysus out of us in the 2011 Leinster final. Had almost given up the ghost at half time and looked like rain in the second. There was a blonde lad i think he had been playing football with Reading and had come home and was cut through us like a knife through butter, thankfully we pulled together in the second half.
That Leinster Kildare and Wexford both had the beatings of us, i wonder had they would things be different now.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 23/11/2020 15:46:12
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Replying To Joxer: "Genuine question, had Mayo or Kerry, and not Dublin, been in Leinster these last 10 years, how do you think things would have panned out? I genuinely think that they would have hoovered up the titles. The problem isn't so much Dublin here but the lack of progress by other Leinster counties. The league positions and qualifier results tell us this. I agree that we need a solution in Leinster but I guarantee that if Dublin move out then all we will have is a weak quality provincial competition, the winner of which will be tanked in the AI series. Removing the benchmark will give nothing for counties to aim for in the province. You become the best by playing the best. This genesis of this Dublin team was formed in the aftermath of hammerings to Tyrone and Kerry. Startled earwigs soon became championship winners." I'm not sure Joxer tbh. Kildare have beaten Mayo in Championship recently enough.
Also what I would say is that if they would hoover them up in Leinster then why haven't Mayo dominated their own province?
Kildare for example didn't get tanked in any of our Super 8 games.
I wouldn't be for removing the Dubs from Leinster but I think the provincials should be played instead of the league for example. Then have a champions League type format for an All Ireland Competition.
daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 23/11/2020 15:55:18
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Replying To DUBJOHN: "Joxer don't mention Rebels to a Kerryman its a bit of a sore point for them these days!" Ní problem at all with Cork. I have great time fir my neighbours in Cork. The rebels a very sporting crowd. Spent many a day shouting for them in Croker.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 23/11/2020 15:59:14
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Replying To DUBJOHN: "Joxer don't mention Rebels to a Kerryman its a bit of a sore point for them these days!" Yeah that was the idea. :)
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 23/11/2020 16:00:44
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Replying To zinny: "2008 Wexford were beaten by 23 points by Dublin in a Leinster Final but went on to be beaten by Tyrone by 6 in the AI Semi Final, it didn't set them by three years then. While it took them three years to get back to a Leinster final it had nothing to do with collapsing rather beaten by other teams along the way but not by much Kildare and Dublin. They went off the scene after that because the CB hadn't put any effort into developing an underage structure that would have used the success at senior level to push on the standards and keep them competitive. I believe over a 21 year period 1999-2020 Kilkenny have won 16 leister titles and if consider how competitive it has been recently then you understand how everyone felt for the best part of 20 years going to CP and getting hammerings and thinking we could never compete with them.
People will make all kinds of arguments why its different now with Dublin (but not oddly enough Dublin Hurling) and some of it may be true but there is too much talk and not enough action on the home front and getting the clubs and the county board to invest in youth." There is truth in that and the Meath County Board were highly negligent. While other counties were implementing and progressing new underage systems we were actually going backwards. A lot of work has already been done in this area and it is already producing some results underage. But it would be foolish to think this will be enough to stem the tide. The scale isn't there and we're probably almost 15 years too late. We won't bridge the gap through this alone.
HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 23/11/2020 16:04:31
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Replying To Joxer: "Genuine question, had Mayo or Kerry, and not Dublin, been in Leinster these last 10 years, how do you think things would have panned out? I genuinely think that they would have hoovered up the titles. The problem isn't so much Dublin here but the lack of progress by other Leinster counties. The league positions and qualifier results tell us this. I agree that we need a solution in Leinster but I guarantee that if Dublin move out then all we will have is a weak quality provincial competition, the winner of which will be tanked in the AI series. Removing the benchmark will give nothing for counties to aim for in the province. You become the best by playing the best. This genesis of this Dublin team was formed in the aftermath of hammerings to Tyrone and Kerry. Startled earwigs soon became championship winners." Again, I don't disagree other counties in Leinster have been negligent but people need to understand. The impact losses like this have over time. Meath need to take responsibility for that and improve themselves. Which they have begun doing despite the terrible result the other day. But it alone will not solve the problem and I actually don't agree with the comparison to the other provinces. It's overly simplistic. Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone are certainly better teams but they aren't at Dublin's level. Roscommon won Connacht in 2019 and Dublin beat them by 18 points. That's wasn't a bad Roscommon side. Monaghan have also had a very good team in recent years and Dublin have crushed them easily in Croke Park. The point is these teams have a chance even if it's very tough in their own province. With hard work and some luck it's an achieveable goal as Cavan proved yesterday. But how will Cavan fair against Dublin in two weeks time. If Dublin go full throttle it's hard to see it being competitive. If you put Roscommon, Cavan and Monaghan in Leinster would they have a chance against Dublin? What would their reaction be to taking yearly pummelings? Maybe they would react better than Meath, but I'm not so sure.
HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 23/11/2020 16:29:45
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "The dubs should have laid a wreath for the football championship while they were at it." Have you not got other thing's to do? Be a good man and finder your self a hobby or do as Thomas said and go look for fungi
Monkeycatcher (Meath) - Posts: 155 - 23/11/2020 16:40:37
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Replying To Joxer: "Genuine question, had Mayo or Kerry, and not Dublin, been in Leinster these last 10 years, how do you think things would have panned out? I genuinely think that they would have hoovered up the titles. The problem isn't so much Dublin here but the lack of progress by other Leinster counties. The league positions and qualifier results tell us this. I agree that we need a solution in Leinster but I guarantee that if Dublin move out then all we will have is a weak quality provincial competition, the winner of which will be tanked in the AI series. Removing the benchmark will give nothing for counties to aim for in the province. You become the best by playing the best. This genesis of this Dublin team was formed in the aftermath of hammerings to Tyrone and Kerry. Startled earwigs soon became championship winners." I won't comment on Kerry but I would be very confident in saying I do not believe Mayo would have won 10 in a row in Leinster. Won 5 Connachts in a row (11, 12, 13, 14, 15) but even then there were competitive games - very few like what happened on Saturday.
I don't want to appear bitter, and definitely not taking anything away from Dublins great players, Kilkenny, Manion, McMahon to name but a few but I do genuinely fear for the future of the game given Dublins dominance. I can't see anything other than a Dublin AI making it 6 in a row. In fact if Cavan or Mayo/Tipp keep it to within 10 points in either game I will be surprised and that is rather depressing for any GAA fan.
Cbar (Mayo) - Posts: 308 - 23/11/2020 16:57:35
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Replying To HighKings: "Again, I don't disagree other counties in Leinster have been negligent but people need to understand. The impact losses like this have over time. Meath need to take responsibility for that and improve themselves. Which they have begun doing despite the terrible result the other day. But it alone will not solve the problem and I actually don't agree with the comparison to the other provinces. It's overly simplistic. Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone are certainly better teams but they aren't at Dublin's level. Roscommon won Connacht in 2019 and Dublin beat them by 18 points. That's wasn't a bad Roscommon side. Monaghan have also had a very good team in recent years and Dublin have crushed them easily in Croke Park. The point is these teams have a chance even if it's very tough in their own province. With hard work and some luck it's an achieveable goal as Cavan proved yesterday. But how will Cavan fair against Dublin in two weeks time. If Dublin go full throttle it's hard to see it being competitive. If you put Roscommon, Cavan and Monaghan in Leinster would they have a chance against Dublin? What would their reaction be to taking yearly pummelings? Maybe they would react better than Meath, but I'm not so sure." No disrespect to Meath but I think the last two leinster final results in particular shine a light on the issues within the province. If Meath or any other county was competitive in a leinster final against Dublin, the issues would go unnoticed but Dublin have hammered Meath, Kildare, Laois and Westmeath in finals this decade ; no county can compete with them and it has killed interest in football in the province. I think that the GAA should rotate Dublin between the provinces on a yearly basis, give other leinster teams a chance and see if any teams in the other provinces can beat them then we will know if it is all down to other leinster counties or not. I won't hold my breath on this suggestion happening.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 23/11/2020 17:19:52
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Replying To Joxer: "Genuine question, had Mayo or Kerry, and not Dublin, been in Leinster these last 10 years, how do you think things would have panned out? I genuinely think that they would have hoovered up the titles. The problem isn't so much Dublin here but the lack of progress by other Leinster counties. The league positions and qualifier results tell us this. I agree that we need a solution in Leinster but I guarantee that if Dublin move out then all we will have is a weak quality provincial competition, the winner of which will be tanked in the AI series. Removing the benchmark will give nothing for counties to aim for in the province. You become the best by playing the best. This genesis of this Dublin team was formed in the aftermath of hammerings to Tyrone and Kerry. Startled earwigs soon became championship winners." Good question Joxer. I'm sure they would have won a good few anyway but not as much as Dublin. The reason being is that they are not as good as Dublin. Taking Dubs out of Leinster does nt make sense while the provincial are still in place. It's up to other teams to try get to Dublin's level and not for the rest of us to try move the goalposts. I'm all for fair play and that is to be fair to every team. With that in mind the leinster championship should honour a home and away agreement. E g if Dubs play Laois in Croker then next time it has to be Portlaoise and not Kilkenny. However if Dubs get home draw then it's their choice to play at home in Parnell or Croker.Anytime i bring this up some posters think it's anti dub. Well those who think that are very sensitive. Fair play for Dublin too. They are entitled to play home games where thetly like. But if Leinster are trying to help let the teams that get home venue have it. The Leinster council have not let this happen and have made all the teams that got home venue v dublin play neutral. Now that's wrong and it's not helping. Will it make them beat Dublin. Probably not but they l be in more comfortable surroundings and play easier. Also it might put an end to the constant complaints. Give the weaker teams a little leeway but don't punish Dublin either. Maybe Dublin should be made play with a bag of spuds on their back. They D prob still win lol. This is a golden generation for Dublin that will fade a little in a few years when teams come up to their standard. This should nt be about bringing Dublin down but more about pushing teams to get up to their level. I expect Dublin to win again this year but come January I'll be getting my chest out again in hope for next year and who knows!
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3675 - 23/11/2020 18:15:31
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