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Ulster Final Donegal V Cavan

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Yeah I think we need to ask ourselves what it is we want from inter-county football? I think there's a general consensus that the county fixtures are too drawn out. We've ended up in a ridiculous situation where players on county panels are expected to train for a good proportion of the year for a series of fixtures that could definitely be fulfilled in a shorter time frame.

Play the leagues as they are (Feb, Mar, Apr) and the championship as knockout (May, June, July). Every team gets 8 games minimum. Then you have most of the summer for club and perhaps most importantly a defined calendar for everyone.
Plus, the do or die nature of knockout football will be more conducive to producing results like we saw yesterday.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7061 - 23/11/2020 13:27:17    2313935

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "I agree I find their analysis really really stale. O'Sé occasionally has very good insights but I feel he needs someone to bounce off. O'Rourke I think is fair but has a bit of a dated view of things really.

BBC's coverage yesterday was a mile ahead, they were also saying that Donegal were hot favourites but talked about what Cavan needed to do to win and what was possible etc. Gives you a rounder view of things. I suppose it helps that they would know Ulster football inside out. I've mentioned before but I think Oisin McConville is very good. He has been trumpeting Donegal's abilities for a couple of years now, he is a big fan of us, but he spoke on a podcast I listen to about how Armagh didn't shake us up in the slightest and he felt that even though we beat Tyrone in Ballybofey, we still hadn't shown we could get punched in the face and come back. He said it again on the BBC prior to the game, Armagh didn't lay a hand on us and he said Cavan need to go out and show us we're in a game and see what happens.

I also really enjoy listening to Andy Moran talk about the game, like you say a recently retired fella and he is very interesting especially when talking about movement of forwards.

Marty Clarke on BBC co-commentary as well I think he has grown into that role really well on BBC. They always have interesting pieces pre match as well interviewing different figures from different counties etc. What I like is you get a bit of inside knowledge and perspective from the different counties which is always good.

Sky are also very good if a wee bit more sanitised than BBC, but I like Donaghy and of course Jim. Canavan is very good on both Sky and BBC and Mickey Harte has been interesting on BBC the past couple of weeks also.

Anyway, long winded way of saying yes I agree with you, RTE are lagging well behind in the analysis stakes! It feels very tired and same old views, they're usually a couple of years behind whatever is actually happening."
BBC have seen a gap in the market and helped with covid they have went for it.Hope it continues next year.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 271 - 23/11/2020 13:30:13    2313936

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Replying To Saynothing:  "BBC have seen a gap in the market and helped with covid they have went for it.Hope it continues next year."
They've generally been very lax with their coverage to be honest. This year has been different as you say, as all matches needed to be broadcast and they did step up. In the past, the BBC were only willing to pay for fixtures that RTE were also showing, for the cost reduction, shared cameras etc. Think it should put emphasis back on the BBC to pay for the Ulster fixtures in full. Hope their viewing figures were good to get them to push this. They don't show rugby any more, but still show Irish football, hope they find the funds for it

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 978 - 23/11/2020 14:14:10    2313997

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Muckross my old friend. Hard luck. It's a bitter pill to swallow. Take heart that at least you were competitive unlike my own county."
What Cavan did yesterday is exactly the same as Cork did to Kerry & what Donegal did to Dublin in 2014.
No one has a divine right to win anything.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 4985 - 23/11/2020 14:25:55    2314012

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "I agree I find their analysis really really stale. O'Sé occasionally has very good insights but I feel he needs someone to bounce off. O'Rourke I think is fair but has a bit of a dated view of things really.

BBC's coverage yesterday was a mile ahead, they were also saying that Donegal were hot favourites but talked about what Cavan needed to do to win and what was possible etc. Gives you a rounder view of things. I suppose it helps that they would know Ulster football inside out. I've mentioned before but I think Oisin McConville is very good. He has been trumpeting Donegal's abilities for a couple of years now, he is a big fan of us, but he spoke on a podcast I listen to about how Armagh didn't shake us up in the slightest and he felt that even though we beat Tyrone in Ballybofey, we still hadn't shown we could get punched in the face and come back. He said it again on the BBC prior to the game, Armagh didn't lay a hand on us and he said Cavan need to go out and show us we're in a game and see what happens.

I also really enjoy listening to Andy Moran talk about the game, like you say a recently retired fella and he is very interesting especially when talking about movement of forwards.

Marty Clarke on BBC co-commentary as well I think he has grown into that role really well on BBC. They always have interesting pieces pre match as well interviewing different figures from different counties etc. What I like is you get a bit of inside knowledge and perspective from the different counties which is always good.

Sky are also very good if a wee bit more sanitised than BBC, but I like Donaghy and of course Jim. Canavan is very good on both Sky and BBC and Mickey Harte has been interesting on BBC the past couple of weeks also.

Anyway, long winded way of saying yes I agree with you, RTE are lagging well behind in the analysis stakes! It feels very tired and same old views, they're usually a couple of years behind whatever is actually happening."
Yeah what has struck me about the BBC coverage is just how knowledgeable the pundits, commentators etc are about the teams. It seems like such an obvious thing but it is something RTÉ could do well to take note of.

Yesterday there were good and knowledgable, neutral pundits for the Ulster final, each one of them knows Ulster football inside out. Compare that to RTÉ yesterday, and Tomás Ó Sé would of course know Cork football very well but I don't think anyone else really knew the players from Tipp and Cork very well during the broadcast.

I've been really impressed with BBC's coverage this year and hope it continues into the future.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13136 - 23/11/2020 15:05:05    2314040

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