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Management Merry Go Round Starts Again

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "A perfect example of it. And it is unfortunately mostly Junior and Intermediate clubs that fall into this trap. If a manager is on merry go round jumping from club to club it generally means they are not up to much."
Very true. The same mouthpieces on the merry go round picking up easy cash.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1009 - 06/11/2020 19:04:56    2305666

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As much about management as anything its become nearly as important to implement a S&C coach into the club the training in clubs especially below the senior clubs is out dated. The training should be more sport specific instead of the usual running the lads into the ground in January and February. Whether the old guard in clubs want to admit it GAA is getting more and more professional in its approach the only thing to catch up seems to be the management styles. Especially with the money that does be handed over to these lads.

CMAN1570 (Meath) - Posts: 20 - 06/11/2020 20:41:01    2305688

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Replying To CMAN1570:  "As much about management as anything its become nearly as important to implement a S&C coach into the club the training in clubs especially below the senior clubs is out dated. The training should be more sport specific instead of the usual running the lads into the ground in January and February. Whether the old guard in clubs want to admit it GAA is getting more and more professional in its approach the only thing to catch up seems to be the management styles. Especially with the money that does be handed over to these lads."
From my experience it's all about S&C and getting good coach in for this who can get lads motivated and feeling sharp and positive. The team itself is ran by the players, especially at club level - the players have all the power and are the ones driving the thing. No need to waste money on a manager for me - a few recently retired club men could do same job, it's a facilitator role, nothing more.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1009 - 06/11/2020 21:46:53    2305706

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Replying To Crinigan:  "From my experience it's all about S&C and getting good coach in for this who can get lads motivated and feeling sharp and positive. The team itself is ran by the players, especially at club level - the players have all the power and are the ones driving the thing. No need to waste money on a manager for me - a few recently retired club men could do same job, it's a facilitator role, nothing more."
Your goin into the polictics of it then lot lads not listen to older retired player.not saying your wrong just from experience you always have the moaners.who feel club not backing them by just getting club man.
Clubs must just look at whats needed for there group team.
Get a man or management to suit there team.
Sports science is great but believe me if your down trying to sell s/c nutrition,tactics to a bunch of lads who know only running have to be fit im only playing midfield scenarios.ur knocking your head of brick wall.
Play to there strengths and if you get a good coach who sees this.creates a good environment for them has a happy camp.fair and honest they know hes there to better them.youll get on,winning something is another thing.but your on right track.

Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 309 - 07/11/2020 08:38:09    2305746

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Replying To Borderroyal:  "Your goin into the polictics of it then lot lads not listen to older retired player.not saying your wrong just from experience you always have the moaners.who feel club not backing them by just getting club man.
Clubs must just look at whats needed for there group team.
Get a man or management to suit there team.
Sports science is great but believe me if your down trying to sell s/c nutrition,tactics to a bunch of lads who know only running have to be fit im only playing midfield scenarios.ur knocking your head of brick wall.
Play to there strengths and if you get a good coach who sees this.creates a good environment for them has a happy camp.fair and honest they know hes there to better them.youll get on,winning something is another thing.but your on right track."
That's true in fairness, doesn't have to be the most sophisticated setup in the world as long as there is buy in from players. Maybe even the simpler the better for such groups if players. My point mostly was that it's success or failure is all dependent really on the players and their prevalent attitude and that bringing these expensive managers that do the rounds is a fools game.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1009 - 08/11/2020 13:14:40    2306056

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Replying To Crinigan:  "That's true in fairness, doesn't have to be the most sophisticated setup in the world as long as there is buy in from players. Maybe even the simpler the better for such groups if players. My point mostly was that it's success or failure is all dependent really on the players and their prevalent attitude and that bringing these expensive managers that do the rounds is a fools game."
Spot on all bout the players

Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 309 - 08/11/2020 13:26:43    2306060

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Niall Ronan's article on the RTE website hits the nail on the head. To many club set ups in Meath have no proper structured coaching and S&C from U16 up to adult football. To many teams still being coached/trained by lads who aren't qualified to do the job and it is just random coaching each year and no S&C being done. Look at the conditioning and skill levels of the Senior club teams in Dublin compared to those in Meath! The difference is frightening. Luckily Andy and Niall are trying to address this.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 569 - 08/11/2020 18:56:52    2306271

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Not quite sure what club you guys are from but it is unlikely to be a rural club with low playing and membership numbers. You guys are talking about s and c and coaches when some clubs can hardly afford to pay annual subs to the county board. Yes dublin clubs have all the bells and whistles but their populations and ability to fund raise is non comparable plus they have club coaches in place paid by the financial powerhouse that is the dublin gaa.

Foley91 (Meath) - Posts: 342 - 08/11/2020 19:24:39    2306322

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Replying To Foley91:  "Not quite sure what club you guys are from but it is unlikely to be a rural club with low playing and membership numbers. You guys are talking about s and c and coaches when some clubs can hardly afford to pay annual subs to the county board. Yes dublin clubs have all the bells and whistles but their populations and ability to fund raise is non comparable plus they have club coaches in place paid by the financial powerhouse that is the dublin gaa."
I know 2 very rural clubs in Meath (as rural as Meath get) will have had S&C coach in for first few months of year and then for few sessions later on. I think most clubs in Meath would from Intermediate up have something like that in place at different times of the year. It's no different to having a physio financially.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1009 - 08/11/2020 19:40:53    2306341

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Replying To Foley91:  "Not quite sure what club you guys are from but it is unlikely to be a rural club with low playing and membership numbers. You guys are talking about s and c and coaches when some clubs can hardly afford to pay annual subs to the county board. Yes dublin clubs have all the bells and whistles but their populations and ability to fund raise is non comparable plus they have club coaches in place paid by the financial powerhouse that is the dublin gaa."
I never mentioned having to get a s/c coach.but if you gather prob few bob a night off lads and club match it you could have local lad or in locality anyway.do bit of core work saves the fields in winter and gets a bit strength into team.it can be done with bit of organising.unless your with a club with no real help from committee.

Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 309 - 08/11/2020 20:03:24    2306376

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Well it's not the same as having a physio cause you have to pay them on top of what the physio gets. Most outside coaches brought into clubs are looking for a minimum 60 a night. And you are talking about bringing in an s and c coach on top of a physio. I dont like to hear honest club people who give their time freely being run down cause they dont match parents expectations.

Foley91 (Meath) - Posts: 342 - 08/11/2020 20:07:11    2306382

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Niall Ronan's article on the RTE website hits the nail on the head. To many club set ups in Meath have no proper structured coaching and S&C from U16 up to adult football. To many teams still being coached/trained by lads who aren't qualified to do the job and it is just random coaching each year and no S&C being done. Look at the conditioning and skill levels of the Senior club teams in Dublin compared to those in Meath! The difference is frightening. Luckily Andy and Niall are trying to address this."
What are they doin for clubs.??

Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 309 - 08/11/2020 20:15:48    2306398

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Replying To Borderroyal:  "I never mentioned having to get a s/c coach.but if you gather prob few bob a night off lads and club match it you could have local lad or in locality anyway.do bit of core work saves the fields in winter and gets a bit strength into team.it can be done with bit of organising.unless your with a club with no real help from committee."
It's very hard to ask for money from players every night. Some travel from college during the week and dont seek anything so it would be unfair to ask them for money. Memberships in clubs are all rising, fund raising is very difficult as many businesses are on their knees. I think the divide between the larger clubs and smaller clubs is growing. Unless something is done then in 3 years you will be looking at the club championships being dominated by a club with resources similar to the way Dublin are unstoppable

Foley91 (Meath) - Posts: 342 - 09/11/2020 07:39:52    2306579

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Replying To Foley91:  "It's very hard to ask for money from players every night. Some travel from college during the week and dont seek anything so it would be unfair to ask them for money. Memberships in clubs are all rising, fund raising is very difficult as many businesses are on their knees. I think the divide between the larger clubs and smaller clubs is growing. Unless something is done then in 3 years you will be looking at the club championships being dominated by a club with resources similar to the way Dublin are unstoppable"
I say
Split Ratoath in two

head4dblackspot (Meath) - Posts: 462 - 09/11/2020 13:07:14    2306779

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i see Duleek-Bellewstown GFC are looking for new Management now

would it be easier to ask who has their Manager in place for next year ? with the level of restrictions Yo Yo'ing from 2 -5 and the uncertainty re the 2021 GAA Calendar, it would best to try and hold on to the Management team that you have in place. This year it was hard for first year Managers to get the required time with their Players to adopt the Style, Systems & Structures for their Championship.

ABD09 (Meath) - Posts: 57 - 09/11/2020 13:53:13    2306807

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Replying To head4dblackspot:  "I say
Split Ratoath in two"
I thought it was already split in two?

braxton_hicks (Meath) - Posts: 28 - 09/11/2020 16:10:30    2306879

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Kevin Reilly to Trim, do great footballers always make great managers??

Meathgaalad (Meath) - Posts: 123 - 09/11/2020 17:52:20    2306932

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Replying To ABD09:  "i see Duleek-Bellewstown GFC are looking for new Management now

would it be easier to ask who has their Manager in place for next year ? with the level of restrictions Yo Yo'ing from 2 -5 and the uncertainty re the 2021 GAA Calendar, it would best to try and hold on to the Management team that you have in place. This year it was hard for first year Managers to get the required time with their Players to adopt the Style, Systems & Structures for their Championship."
They had the same manager for four or five seasons so he probably felt a change was required. I don't think new managers who were in their first year last year can use the covid restrictions as an excuse for a second season, no matter how they got on this season. Players usually have a manager figured out after a week or two whether they are up to it or not, they don't need a full season.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 569 - 09/11/2020 18:22:22    2306944

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Replying To braxton_hicks:  "I thought it was already split in two?"
Could be heading that way again this winter!

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 569 - 09/11/2020 18:23:21    2306945

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Replying To Meathgaalad:  "Kevin Reilly to Trim, do great footballers always make great managers??"
An interesting appointment. He arguably has a squad with more potential coming through at Trim than he had at O'Mahonys and didn't do to bad there. O'Mahonys are a dead duck of a team so hard to read into how he did there. I think he could do well with Trim, given the potential they have. The Trim job is a very attractive one with the facilities, resources and players at their disposal for an Intermediate team.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 569 - 09/11/2020 18:29:08    2306950

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