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Ultimately I've a feeling down the road Dublin will eventually be split (although I think it shouldn't happen just yet until we're are more certain that Dublin's current domination is the new norm as opposed to just a one off great team). In the middle of the first decade of the century the GAA effectively treated Dublin as a provincial council in terms of games development funding. These fundings were from there on to be administered by Dublin county board rather than what happens for all other counties where the respective provincial council allocates these funds. Dublin was to be treated as a special case for the greater good of the game due to its large population (many of who lived in non traditional GAA areas) and therefore potential to grow the games. It's a logical follow on from this that if growing the games in Dublin proves successful and results in an inter county championship not fit for purpose it is justified to split Dublin county teams for the greater good. In terms of how you would split Dublin, it already in place, Co. Dublin for local government purposes was abolished about 25 years ago and split into 3 counties (although the city council area would have to be looked at, maybe divided up and allocated to the above 3 county areas). Fingal already has a county hurling team which competes in the lower tiers of inter county hurling https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingal_hurling_team#:~:text=The%20Fingal%20hurling%20team%20(Irish,and%20was%20established%20in%202008. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1354 - 13/10/2020 15:31:14 2297298 Link 0 |
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Ultimately Ive a feeling you a wrong -:)
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 13/10/2020 15:52:44 2297304 Link 1 |
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Yes it could bring success but only if not directly invested in the GAA. If the money was used to set up an entity which facilitated ongoing employment for young people in the county which allowed them to live and raise a family and removed the need to emigrate or move to Dublin, it would lead to successful inter county teams. I think there is a direct correlation between the decline of Bord na Mona & ESB in Offaly and the decline of Offaly GAA county teams. bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 13/10/2020 17:00:20 2297317 Link 1 |
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Fionn if I was a Dub I would take it as a compliment if people say the county should be split as it means they think your county is so good. The first I heard to throw out that line was Colm P Rourke but in fairness to him it was more to do with players getting chances to play county football in Dublin. I would hate to see Dublin split myself but I do see where Colm was coming from. A split in Dublin would create a divide with northside southsife etc but yes there is a lot of very good players that will never get a chance to play for Dublin as the pick is so vast. What I would like to see (when this covid goes away) is maybe A Dublin B team maybe enter the league in div 4 and work their way up. It would gives players a chance to play County football without a split and I've no doubt a Dublin B team would work their way up to at least div 2 of the league. Obviously this team would be players that ain't involved with the senior team. Just a thought.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 13/10/2020 17:05:33 2297322 Link 0 |
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Excellent post and I agree 100% it's going to be interesting watching the gaa solve this problem.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 13/10/2020 17:13:39 2297325 Link 1 |
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Excellent post for a bitter jealous Kerryman -:)No harm in dreaming.
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 13/10/2020 17:29:30 2297327 Link 3 |
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Yes but the people who are calling for it are doing it for selfish reasons... Do you think O'Rourke for example would be doing this if meath were doing well, or all the kerry folk would be calling for it if they were winning Sam... Not on your nelly... Were people calling for it when kerry or Kilkenny were dominating...??? Not a whisper.. It is an easy argument to put forward due to population, but only because Dublin footballers were winning. If Limerick or Tipp start dominating like Kilkenny, you can bet your bottom dollar there would not be 1 person from Kilkenny or Cork looking for them counties to be split. They have more pride than that and wouldnt be embarrassing themselves... Other side of the coin..... Rather than splitting a county why not amalgamate smaller counties - eg Meath and Westmeath.... ;o) Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 13/10/2020 17:36:02 2297329 Link 0 |
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Fionn, brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 13/10/2020 18:19:39 2297341 Link 8 |
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Yes but the people who are calling for it are doing it for selfish reasons... Do you think O'Rourke for example would be doing this if meath were doing well, or all the kerry folk would be calling for it if they were winning Sam... Not on your nelly... Were people calling for it when kerry or Kilkenny were dominating...??? Not a whisper.. It is an easy argument to put forward due to population, but only because Dublin footballers were winning. If Limerick or Tipp start dominating like Kilkenny, you can bet your bottom dollar there would not be 1 person from Kilkenny or Cork looking for them counties to be split. They have more pride than that and wouldnt be embarrassing themselves... Other side of the coin..... Rather than splitting a county why not amalgamate smaller counties - eg Meath and Westmeath.... ;o)"]I agree with you Fionn on most of your argument but when population is big you ré going to get people call for that but yes a lot for selfish reasons. I would hate to see Dublin split and I know most people from Kerry I speak to would nt like it either. We strive to play the best not half the best. Now on you ré other point it' could be worth looking at although I guess your joking bout Meath amalgamating but would nt it be great to see some div 3 or 4 teams amalgamate for championship I. E Carlow /Wiclow/Kilkenny. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 13/10/2020 18:20:16 2297344 Link 1 |
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Yes but the people who are calling for it are doing it for selfish reasons... Do you think O'Rourke for example would be doing this if meath were doing well, or all the kerry folk would be calling for it if they were winning Sam... Not on your nelly... Were people calling for it when kerry or Kilkenny were dominating...??? Not a whisper.. It is an easy argument to put forward due to population, but only because Dublin footballers were winning. If Limerick or Tipp start dominating like Kilkenny, you can bet your bottom dollar there would not be 1 person from Kilkenny or Cork looking for them counties to be split. They have more pride than that and wouldnt be embarrassing themselves... Other side of the coin..... Rather than splitting a county why not amalgamate smaller counties - eg Meath and Westmeath.... ;o)"]I agree with you Fionn on most of your argument but when population is big you ré going to get people call for that but yes a lot for selfish reasons. I would hate to see Dublin split and I know most people from Kerry I speak to would nt like it either. We strive to play the best not half the best. Now on you ré other point it' could be worth looking at although I guess your joking bout Meath amalgamating but would nt it be great to see some div 3 or 4 teams amalgamate for championship I. E Carlow /Wiclow/Kilkenny."]It could definitely be something that they look at down the road alright.... ps. why not Meath and Westmeath.... lol ;o) Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 13/10/2020 18:51:01 2297356 Link 0 |
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I think there are enough divisions in Meath football at the moment before you amalgamate alright. What is it with the Meath / North Meath divide...??? Defo a couple of Kells players and one Trim player who should be on the Meath panel. By the way, our underage teams haven't exactly been shooting the lights out. So not a huge conveyor belt on the way unfortunately.... People need to accept - this is a unique set of Dublin players we have at the moment. Once in a lifetime only. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 13/10/2020 19:10:21 2297362 Link 0 |
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Yes Dubs a once in a lifetime team but in my lifetime Dublin always contenders even in the so called lean years. Also Dubs u 20 s very unlucky not to win last year. Also I could pick a Dublin team now that could last a few years. Even midfield Fenton and Howard's have years ahead of them. Comer Ford will be a grt replacement for Cuxton. Murchain young. O Callaghan Mannion Rock even McCarthy has another 2 or 3 good years in him.Dublin not going away you know
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 13/10/2020 20:18:38 2297377 Link 1 |
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Yes but the people who are calling for it are doing it for selfish reasons... Do you think O'Rourke for example would be doing this if meath were doing well, or all the kerry folk would be calling for it if they were winning Sam... Not on your nelly... Were people calling for it when kerry or Kilkenny were dominating...??? Not a whisper.. It is an easy argument to put forward due to population, but only because Dublin footballers were winning. If Limerick or Tipp start dominating like Kilkenny, you can bet your bottom dollar there would not be 1 person from Kilkenny or Cork looking for them counties to be split. They have more pride than that and wouldnt be embarrassing themselves... Other side of the coin..... Rather than splitting a county why not amalgamate smaller counties - eg Meath and Westmeath.... ;o)"]I'm not calling for Dublin to be split at the moment, I'm still a bit in the fence as to whether what's happening now is a phase we're going through where a great team has come along or is this the new norm. Reality is that the growth in the GAA's popularity in Dublin can be in big part traced back to funding model which was put in place in the first decade of this century, which recognised Dublin as a special case capable of growing the game, so would be funded well above what their number of registered players was at the time. Petty interests of counties outside Dublin at the time could have stopped this but this went through as it was aimed at growing the game. Reality also is due to Dublin population being far bigger than opponents if the GAA becomes, per capita, as popular in Dublin as other counties it may make the inter county championship a nonsense. From a romantic point of I don't like the idea of splitting Dublin and at the moment the case is not strong enough to split them. But, just as the GAA justified increasing funding to Dublin in the first decade of this century as, in the Big Picture, it was very positive (great potential to grow the game) a point might come where a knock on effect of growing the game in Dublin might mean, again looking at the Big Picture the GAA might have to split Dublin into their corresponding current local government county council areas to avoid the All Ireland championship becoming irrelevant. If your talking about counties amalgamating to bring them closer to Dublin's population, you may be better to call for Dublin to compete in the interpros as a replacement for the current All Ireland championship. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1354 - 13/10/2020 21:21:57 2297396 Link 1 |
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Yes but the people who are calling for it are doing it for selfish reasons... Do you think O'Rourke for example would be doing this if meath were doing well, or all the kerry folk would be calling for it if they were winning Sam... Not on your nelly... Were people calling for it when kerry or Kilkenny were dominating...??? Not a whisper.. It is an easy argument to put forward due to population, but only because Dublin footballers were winning. If Limerick or Tipp start dominating like Kilkenny, you can bet your bottom dollar there would not be 1 person from Kilkenny or Cork looking for them counties to be split. They have more pride than that and wouldnt be embarrassing themselves... Other side of the coin..... Rather than splitting a county why not amalgamate smaller counties - eg Meath and Westmeath.... ;o)"]I'm not calling for Dublin to be split at the moment, I'm still a bit in the fence as to whether what's happening now is a phase we're going through where a great team has come along or is this the new norm. Reality is that the growth in the GAA's popularity in Dublin can be in big part traced back to funding model which was put in place in the first decade of this century, which recognised Dublin as a special case capable of growing the game, so would be funded well above what their number of registered players was at the time. Petty interests of counties outside Dublin at the time could have stopped this but this went through as it was aimed at growing the game. Reality also is due to Dublin population being far bigger than opponents if the GAA becomes, per capita, as popular in Dublin as other counties it may make the inter county championship a nonsense. From a romantic point of I don't like the idea of splitting Dublin and at the moment the case is not strong enough to split them. But, just as the GAA justified increasing funding to Dublin in the first decade of this century as, in the Big Picture, it was very positive (great potential to grow the game) a point might come where a knock on effect of growing the game in Dublin might mean, again looking at the Big Picture the GAA might have to split Dublin into their corresponding current local government county council areas to avoid the All Ireland championship becoming irrelevant. If your talking about counties amalgamating to bring them closer to Dublin's population, you may be better to call for Dublin to compete in the interpros as a replacement for the current All Ireland championship."]There is sound logic in that post and I get where you are coming from, however that scenario is decades away, beyond our life time, if it ever came to pass which I doubt. Penetration in Dublin is really poor, there are 39k registered players in Dublin from a population of 1.3 mill, it's the worst ratio in the country. Barely 2% odd of the population of Dublin are registered players. To give a comparison Cork have 34k registered players for 542k. Dublin club champions Ballymun Kickhams has 300 members, 6 players from that club were on the Dublin 5 in a row winning squad. That practically what you are looking at. The doomsday scenario is all well and good in theory, but it doesn't ring through in the numbers on the ground in the scene here in the Dublin game. For me I'd be critical of the DCB, in terms of increasing that penetration in part. Despite strides made in bridging the north, south divide. Dublin GAA has unique problems with growing the game in Dublin no other county has and most never think about. Trust me we are many life times away from realising the scenario you predict. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 13/10/2020 23:31:56 2297417 Link 5 |
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Yes but the people who are calling for it are doing it for selfish reasons... Do you think O'Rourke for example would be doing this if meath were doing well, or all the kerry folk would be calling for it if they were winning Sam... Not on your nelly... Were people calling for it when kerry or Kilkenny were dominating...??? Not a whisper.. It is an easy argument to put forward due to population, but only because Dublin footballers were winning. If Limerick or Tipp start dominating like Kilkenny, you can bet your bottom dollar there would not be 1 person from Kilkenny or Cork looking for them counties to be split. They have more pride than that and wouldnt be embarrassing themselves... Other side of the coin..... Rather than splitting a county why not amalgamate smaller counties - eg Meath and Westmeath.... ;o)"]I'm not calling for Dublin to be split at the moment, I'm still a bit in the fence as to whether what's happening now is a phase we're going through where a great team has come along or is this the new norm. Reality is that the growth in the GAA's popularity in Dublin can be in big part traced back to funding model which was put in place in the first decade of this century, which recognised Dublin as a special case capable of growing the game, so would be funded well above what their number of registered players was at the time. Petty interests of counties outside Dublin at the time could have stopped this but this went through as it was aimed at growing the game. Reality also is due to Dublin population being far bigger than opponents if the GAA becomes, per capita, as popular in Dublin as other counties it may make the inter county championship a nonsense. From a romantic point of I don't like the idea of splitting Dublin and at the moment the case is not strong enough to split them. But, just as the GAA justified increasing funding to Dublin in the first decade of this century as, in the Big Picture, it was very positive (great potential to grow the game) a point might come where a knock on effect of growing the game in Dublin might mean, again looking at the Big Picture the GAA might have to split Dublin into their corresponding current local government county council areas to avoid the All Ireland championship becoming irrelevant. If your talking about counties amalgamating to bring them closer to Dublin's population, you may be better to call for Dublin to compete in the interpros as a replacement for the current All Ireland championship."]Funny that When Dublin Colleges won an All Ireland title Kilkenny immediately demanded that the Dublin's pick be split in two. Oldertourman (Limerick) - Posts: 162 - 14/10/2020 10:44:42 2297466 Link 0 |
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Yes but the people who are calling for it are doing it for selfish reasons... Do you think O'Rourke for example would be doing this if meath were doing well, or all the kerry folk would be calling for it if they were winning Sam... Not on your nelly... Were people calling for it when kerry or Kilkenny were dominating...??? Not a whisper.. It is an easy argument to put forward due to population, but only because Dublin footballers were winning. If Limerick or Tipp start dominating like Kilkenny, you can bet your bottom dollar there would not be 1 person from Kilkenny or Cork looking for them counties to be split. They have more pride than that and wouldnt be embarrassing themselves... Other side of the coin..... Rather than splitting a county why not amalgamate smaller counties - eg Meath and Westmeath.... ;o)"]I'm not calling for Dublin to be split at the moment, I'm still a bit in the fence as to whether what's happening now is a phase we're going through where a great team has come along or is this the new norm. Reality is that the growth in the GAA's popularity in Dublin can be in big part traced back to funding model which was put in place in the first decade of this century, which recognised Dublin as a special case capable of growing the game, so would be funded well above what their number of registered players was at the time. Petty interests of counties outside Dublin at the time could have stopped this but this went through as it was aimed at growing the game. Reality also is due to Dublin population being far bigger than opponents if the GAA becomes, per capita, as popular in Dublin as other counties it may make the inter county championship a nonsense. From a romantic point of I don't like the idea of splitting Dublin and at the moment the case is not strong enough to split them. But, just as the GAA justified increasing funding to Dublin in the first decade of this century as, in the Big Picture, it was very positive (great potential to grow the game) a point might come where a knock on effect of growing the game in Dublin might mean, again looking at the Big Picture the GAA might have to split Dublin into their corresponding current local government county council areas to avoid the All Ireland championship becoming irrelevant. If your talking about counties amalgamating to bring them closer to Dublin's population, you may be better to call for Dublin to compete in the interpros as a replacement for the current All Ireland championship."]Funny that When Dublin Colleges won an All Ireland title Kilkenny immediately demanded that the Dublin's pick be split in two."]Fair play, so it's not just Kerry and meath people that are suggesting a split but Kilkenny as well. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 14/10/2020 11:02:58 2297476 Link 1 |
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Great to see the usual cycle of threads now in full flow. brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 14/10/2020 12:18:52 2297500 Link 9 |
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All this quoting is ridiculous, it puts me off reading the response, I usually just skip to the next post that's readable. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2749 - 14/10/2020 13:03:55 2297522 Link 1 |
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I actually think it is a HS issue. I know I have replied and then see previous long quotes included... ;o( Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 14/10/2020 13:16:21 2297528 Link 0 |
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+1 You are spot on there. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3733 - 14/10/2020 13:17:56 2297531 Link 0 |