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Arock have a look at limerick hurling team not all are playing senior club hurling..I'll mention 2,gearoid hegarty and cahal o neill,are you saying they shouldn't be playing juinor hurling..I'm pretty sure if you go through the dub hurling and football panels,their not all club seniors..on the fossa game today,think if the Tyrone boys concentrated on ball all the time they could well have won the game..the ref was right in all cards given out..2 straight reds fully deserved ,the others were double yellows..ref didn't lose control..he many times was David Clifford fouled in first half,a lot of the time he just played on..what was chap with glasses trying to do after the match??wasthat other fella a selector or manager,what was his problem??it was his own players that lost the heads..think the speech was just totally embarrassing,especially for Clifford..can anyone explain to me what is the story when a player is sent off,opponents have to clap them on the back or give them s belt or shoulder into the back??its something that I absolutely hate and it happens in every county in the country.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2217 - 15/01/2023 18:54:31 2452586 Link
Replying To arock: "Ahh yes but if that is a Junior club how can it play Senior players? Its a nonsense and to make matters worse he has already competed in at Senior club level in other counties thats cheating." Good point. In all other counties, if a player plays in senior championship then he cannot compete in junior or intermediate that season. In all other counties a player continues playing in the lower grade until that club's interest is over in the competition before he plays at the higher grade. Rules are obviously different in Kerry hence their role of honour. Jack L (None) - Posts: 3099 - 15/01/2023 18:59:08 2452587 Link
Replying To arock: "Ahh yes but if that is a Junior club how can it play Senior players? Its a nonsense and to make matters worse he has already competed in at Senior club level in other counties thats cheating." It's not cheating he didn't represent Fossa at senior level in Kerry. He played for East Kerry. It's a brilliant system which allows Junior players who play for a club that might never be senior. East Kerry won the championship but can't represent Kerry at Munster or All ireland level. I think it shows the magic of the GAA when the best football in Ireland can tog out with his team in a Junior championship match. shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 15/01/2023 19:08:44 2452590 Link
Replying To Jack L: "Good point. In all other counties, if a player plays in senior championship then he cannot compete in junior or intermediate that season. In all other counties a player continues playing in the lower grade until that club's interest is over in the competition before he plays at the higher grade. Rules are obviously different in Kerry hence their role of honour." It also happens in Cork , junior and intermediate players are pooled with a team of neighbouring junior players to make a senior divisional team which in cork includes imokilly , avondhu, seandun etc . Makes more teams in their senior championship and gives all players a chance to play senior . Limerick tried it on and off over the years as well and it's great for players from non senior clubs . OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 673 - 15/01/2023 19:16:04 2452592 Link
Replying To arock: "Ahh yes but if that is a Junior club how can it play Senior players? Its a nonsense and to make matters worse he has already competed in at Senior club level in other counties thats cheating." What rule is being broken? Seeing as you're claiming there's cheating? Who's played in other counties? Or are you just making things up with that as well? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 15/01/2023 19:22:25 2452593 Link
Replying To arock: "I hold my hands up if each county can make its own championship rules it becomes a lobsided and unfair competition. If Fossa is a junior club and plays junior players - fair enough, but in other counties this cannot happen and in other codes it wouldn't happen, because it is blatantly unfair." How is it unfair. The club are junior and the Cliffords are from that club. Did nt Eoghan Ó Gara play with a junior club and play with Dublin. The Cliffords were born and reared beside that club but you think they should nt be allowed play for the club just cos they are county players. Next year they both will be intermediate but I doubt they will be strong enough to go senior. Its about the club not the players. For years Fossa played div 5 football but now are going upwards thanks to the Cliffords. The Cliffords play with a divisional side in the county championship (a group of clubs) as Fossa not strong enough but you want to weaken them more. When Declan Browne played div 4 for Tipp he destroyed all around him. He was div 1 standard. Was it unfair he played for Tipp. Con Ó Callaghan Fenton Kilkenny aJames Mccarthy are some of the best players ever to play the game. They are div 1 standard. Is it unfair on other counties they now have to play in div 2? CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 15/01/2023 19:23:30 2452594 Link
Replying To benched: "It's been mentioned before but the whole set up in Kerry while works for them needs looked at as far as who plays in the provincial / All Ireland series. Basically team 9 from Kerry playing intermediate club versus team 17 / 18 from Tyrone." Fossa are junior so they are below the top 16 in Kerry. Top 8 are senior. Next 8 are intermediate. Fossa are div 3.Two years ago they were division 5. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 15/01/2023 19:26:30 2452595 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "Hard for me to comment on Fossa as a Junior club. However there is an issue not necessarily of Kerry's making. Counties of Kerry's size across the country have at least 16, some 20 senior clubs. Kerry have only 8, so their system is an outlier. So from Kerry we have club ranked number 9 progressing to the intermediate club series to meet teams from similar counties ranked 17 to 21. It's not so cleat at junior but obviously effects the level playing field too." I agree at intermediate Kerry have an advantage as you are correct but Fossa are junior. 2 years ago they were div 5.They were not in the top clubs in the county. Now they div 3.Next year they will be in top 16 in county. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 15/01/2023 19:29:51 2452596 Link
It's been mentioned before but the whole set up in Kerry while works for them needs looked at as far as who plays in the provincial / All Ireland series. Basically team 9 from Kerry playing intermediate club versus team 17 / 18 from Tyrone. benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 507 - 15/01/2023 17:58:40 Not all counties are near the same. How do you change it? This was the junior final anyway and instead of looking for kerry to change a few more counties should be looking to do what Kerry have done. A lot of the clubs that make up these districts are very small and its only right they have this system in place. Hard for me to comment on Fossa as a Junior club. However there is an issue not necessarily of Kerry's making. Counties of Kerry's size across the country have at least 16, some 20 senior clubs. Kerry have only 8, so their system is an outlier. So from Kerry we have club ranked number 9 progressing to the intermediate club series to meet teams from similar counties ranked 17 to 21. It's not so cleat at junior but obviously effects the level playing field too. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 449 - 15/01/2023 18:13:12 Unless you change the structure nationwide then its only right that Kerry are entitled to run their championships as they see fit and then nominate the teams for provincial competition as they see fit. Clifford was sent off. How could he accept the cup as he was suspended. Is this rule changed. It used to be that if winning captain was sent off then he could not accept trophy at end of match Jack L (None) - Posts: 2943 - 15/01/2023 18:23:27 Because he hasnt been suspended yet? No suspension until there is discipline meeting etc. stupid rule to stop a captain accepting trophy even if sent off in a game I hold my hands up if each county can make its own championship rules it becomes a lobsided and unfair competition. If Fossa is a junior club and plays junior players - fair enough, but in other counties this cannot happen and in other codes it wouldn't happen, because it is blatantly unfair. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4781 - 15/01/2023 18:23:46 Fossa played junior players. they were playing the most senior team in their club. that they are lucky enough to have two senior county players is irrelevant. those players dont play senior club football. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 15/01/2023 19:40:52 2452598 Link
Replying To Jack L: "Clifford was sent off. How could he accept the cup as he was suspended. Is this rule changed. It used to be that if winning captain was sent off then he could not accept trophy at end of match" It was paudie Fitzgerald that was presented the cup !!! Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 255 - 15/01/2023 19:48:27 2452602 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "Nil to do with Tyrone. While Kerry's internal club system, is their own business, having their 9th ranked club in the intermediate series against teams ranked 17 to 21 in nearly all other counties is a problem that needs attention" Why do people keep saying this? Kerry has 80 or so clubs Cork has over 200 so regardless whoever wins whatever grade in Kerry are "higher" ranked than the winner of a Cork championship. Kilkenny clubs have been just as dominant in intermediate and junior in hurling yet that's never an issue with anyone. Why's that? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 15/01/2023 20:02:13 2452607 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "I agree at intermediate Kerry have an advantage as you are correct but Fossa are junior. 2 years ago they were div 5.They were not in the top clubs in the county. Now they div 3.Next year they will be in top 16 in county." Fair enough but you are making my point, if Fossa were promoted to top 16 in any other county even close to Kerry's football profile they would not be playing intermediate County championship, they would be playing senior, irrespective of the size of the club or parish if they were top 16 they would not be allowed play intermediate championship. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 684 - 15/01/2023 20:08:02 2452608 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "Fossa are junior so they are below the top 16 in Kerry. Top 8 are senior. Next 8 are intermediate. Fossa are div 3.Two years ago they were division 5." Checking the Kerry set-up. East Kerry won the senior County championship in 2022. This divisional side was comprised of ten (10) teams and Fossa and Rathmore being part of the make-up. So it took a team comprised of Intermediate and Junior players, from 10 clubs, to defeat stand alone clubs and other division teams. Rathmore or Fossa would not keep the ball kicked out to the Crokes, Dingle, or Kenmare etc. The Cliffords are exceptional players who happen to come from a junior calibre club. Same with Paul Murphy and Shane Ryan who are with a newly promoted intermediate team. Neither are anywhere near stand alone senior calibre in the Kerry set-up. The Crokes and Austin Stacks have won it ten times in the last 21 years............and now the Austin Stacks team will be in intermediate ranks in 2023, which should be grounds for more questions. Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 749 - 15/01/2023 20:13:23 2452609 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "Fair enough but you are making my point, if Fossa were promoted to top 16 in any other county even close to Kerry's football profile they would not be playing intermediate County championship, they would be playing senior, irrespective of the size of the club or parish if they were top 16 they would not be allowed play intermediate championship." Why wouldn't they? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 15/01/2023 20:20:32 2452611 Link
Replying To Gaa Fan: "Checking the Kerry set-up. East Kerry won the senior County championship in 2022. This divisional side was comprised of ten (10) teams and Fossa and Rathmore being part of the make-up. So it took a team comprised of Intermediate and Junior players, from 10 clubs, to defeat stand alone clubs and other division teams. Rathmore or Fossa would not keep the ball kicked out to the Crokes, Dingle, or Kenmare etc. The Cliffords are exceptional players who happen to come from a junior calibre club. Same with Paul Murphy and Shane Ryan who are with a newly promoted intermediate team. Neither are anywhere near stand alone senior calibre in the Kerry set-up. The Crokes and Austin Stacks have won it ten times in the last 21 years............and now the Austin Stacks team will be in intermediate ranks in 2023, which should be grounds for more questions." Look, we can go round the houses on this forever, so if it is important to keep the club championships on a relatively even keel between the counties and maybe it's not that important, then Kerry should increase their cohort of senior clubs to 16 or other counties should decrease their cohort to 8 as in Kerry. I think ex president Sean Kelly's recent statement that the junior and intermediate championships that he introduced have issues to be recognised and addressed is reasonable. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 684 - 15/01/2023 20:30:29 2452616 Link
They should slit Fossa in two. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 15/01/2023 20:31:29 2452617 Link
Replying To oneoff: "Why wouldn't they?" Because in all other counties bar the very smallest ones, the top 16 clubs at least are graded as senior. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 684 - 15/01/2023 20:33:43 2452618 Link
Replying To oneoff: "Why do people keep saying this? Kerry has 80 or so clubs Cork has over 200 so regardless whoever wins whatever grade in Kerry are "higher" ranked than the winner of a Cork championship. Kilkenny clubs have been just as dominant in intermediate and junior in hurling yet that's never an issue with anyone. Why's that?" Trust you to drag Kilkenny into another pathetic row about football. What's your problem with Kilkenny? Spit it out. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2467 - 15/01/2023 20:39:50 2452621 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Trust you to drag Kilkenny into another pathetic row about football. What's your problem with Kilkenny? Spit it out." Please go away oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 15/01/2023 20:49:19 2452624 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "Because in all other counties bar the very smallest ones, the top 16 clubs at least are graded as senior." Cork has more clubs than another county yet they've 12 teams in their championship. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 15/01/2023 20:50:38 2452625 Link