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The Corona Virus And Possible Effects To GAA Matches

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Replying To KillingFields:  "GAAGO is a great service for overseas but they rely on national broadcaster to do it. All the recent club games bar the ones covered by TG4 are individual counties doing their own live streams which are also accessible overseas. The are basic stuff but fill a massive gap. I am not so sure that keeping these would impact attendance, Gaelic Football and Hurling unlike say Rugby is best seen live where you can see what else is going on around the pitch. With these streams you don't get that so I still think people will go to the games if they had a choice. My pitch on having these (and even free ) is that the GAA is losing a battle in Urban areas where some kids will never have seen a club game live even if they know some of the players. Give them access and perhaps they may get off their computers and watch it, they wouldn't have to watch the whole thing, 10-15mins will do. We have to start engaging with these kids and charging them to see games won't do that. Let them see what they could be. Even go as far as to produce club highlight videos and get them out on social media. The best tool we have to increase participation and engagement from the population are the games themselves.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 833 - 17/08/2020 08:35:28 Rugby is also best seen live so you can see running lines, defensive structures you wont necessarily see live on tv."
I think rugby is one of the sports best suited for TV as most action happens on the gainline but my big complaint with rugby on TV is the camera angles mimic soccer too much where as they should use endline cameras much more to show they spread, movement and options.

Hurlings big problem for me on TV is that the side angle shots can give a misleading image of the flight of the ball

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 17/08/2020 12:08:14    2287869

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Replying To KillingFields:  "GAAGO is a great service for overseas but they rely on national broadcaster to do it. All the recent club games bar the ones covered by TG4 are individual counties doing their own live streams which are also accessible overseas. The are basic stuff but fill a massive gap. I am not so sure that keeping these would impact attendance, Gaelic Football and Hurling unlike say Rugby is best seen live where you can see what else is going on around the pitch. With these streams you don't get that so I still think people will go to the games if they had a choice. My pitch on having these (and even free ) is that the GAA is losing a battle in Urban areas where some kids will never have seen a club game live even if they know some of the players. Give them access and perhaps they may get off their computers and watch it, they wouldn't have to watch the whole thing, 10-15mins will do. We have to start engaging with these kids and charging them to see games won't do that. Let them see what they could be. Even go as far as to produce club highlight videos and get them out on social media. The best tool we have to increase participation and engagement from the population are the games themselves.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 833 - 17/08/2020 08:35:28 Rugby is also best seen live so you can see running lines, defensive structures you wont necessarily see live on tv."
I'd say all sports are better live and a lot more memorable too.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2494 - 17/08/2020 20:38:49    2287976

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Replying To Breezy:  "
Replying To KillingFields:  "GAAGO is a great service for overseas but they rely on national broadcaster to do it. All the recent club games bar the ones covered by TG4 are individual counties doing their own live streams which are also accessible overseas. The are basic stuff but fill a massive gap. I am not so sure that keeping these would impact attendance, Gaelic Football and Hurling unlike say Rugby is best seen live where you can see what else is going on around the pitch. With these streams you don't get that so I still think people will go to the games if they had a choice. My pitch on having these (and even free ) is that the GAA is losing a battle in Urban areas where some kids will never have seen a club game live even if they know some of the players. Give them access and perhaps they may get off their computers and watch it, they wouldn't have to watch the whole thing, 10-15mins will do. We have to start engaging with these kids and charging them to see games won't do that. Let them see what they could be. Even go as far as to produce club highlight videos and get them out on social media. The best tool we have to increase participation and engagement from the population are the games themselves.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 833 - 17/08/2020 08:35:28 Rugby is also best seen live so you can see running lines, defensive structures you wont necessarily see live on tv."
I think rugby is one of the sports best suited for TV as most action happens on the gainline but my big complaint with rugby on TV is the camera angles mimic soccer too much where as they should use endline cameras much more to show they spread, movement and options.

Hurlings big problem for me on TV is that the side angle shots can give a misleading image of the flight of the ball"
Not really as you miss a huge amount in running lines, defense/attacking structure/set up that you will see if you attend games.
I wouldnt say camera angles mimic soccer. directors of rugby games will be more likely rugby supporters now more than before and will be better at getting the best angles. the problem with end line angles is you dont get to see the ball as much

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3748 - 17/08/2020 21:17:25    2287979

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A number of clubs seem to be taking the decision to lockdown, even in cases where there is no positive case (just a suspected case). This seems to be unnecessary, and could make the final stages of various championships very chaotic. While I completely accept the we need to take all the necessary precautions, shutting down before there is a positive case seems to be an over-reaction. Thoughts?

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 18/08/2020 09:30:56    2288013

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Replying To football first:  "A number of clubs seem to be taking the decision to lockdown, even in cases where there is no positive case (just a suspected case). This seems to be unnecessary, and could make the final stages of various championships very chaotic. While I completely accept the we need to take all the necessary precautions, shutting down before there is a positive case seems to be an over-reaction. Thoughts?"
It's too late locking down when a player gets the positive test result and may have infected others in the time between showing symptoms, being tested and getting the result.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7959 - 18/08/2020 10:16:29    2288016

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Replying To football first:  "A number of clubs seem to be taking the decision to lockdown, even in cases where there is no positive case (just a suspected case). This seems to be unnecessary, and could make the final stages of various championships very chaotic. While I completely accept the we need to take all the necessary precautions, shutting down before there is a positive case seems to be an over-reaction. Thoughts?"
Totally agree.

Leftpeg1 (Westmeath) - Posts: 95 - 18/08/2020 10:18:17    2288017

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Replying To football first:  "A number of clubs seem to be taking the decision to lockdown, even in cases where there is no positive case (just a suspected case). This seems to be unnecessary, and could make the final stages of various championships very chaotic. While I completely accept the we need to take all the necessary precautions, shutting down before there is a positive case seems to be an over-reaction. Thoughts?"
I suppose its better to be over cautious than wait until a case is confirmed and who knows how many people/players may have been infected. I see this as a proactive move by any club doing so. It can't have been an easy decision to do so.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2303 - 18/08/2020 10:27:19    2288019

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Replying To football first:  "A number of clubs seem to be taking the decision to lockdown, even in cases where there is no positive case (just a suspected case). This seems to be unnecessary, and could make the final stages of various championships very chaotic. While I completely accept the we need to take all the necessary precautions, shutting down before there is a positive case seems to be an over-reaction. Thoughts?"
The GAAs guidance is that you don't need to shut down all activity even if there is a confirmed case however when it first started clubs started doing it and it was all reported on, even the headlines on HS today is about it, without the GAA coming out more forcefully with their guidance, it was one following the other as they really didn't understand what they had to do. Wait until its intercounty and then I would assume the GAA itself will be quite active in advising what to do. As I said before there has been quite a few of these now and yet we don't seem to have any data on if in fact anyone on the team got infected that was otherwise not a close contact. I think in the absence of real assistance shutdown is the safest for clubs - is it right? No.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1956 - 18/08/2020 10:55:45    2288024

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Replying To football first:  "A number of clubs seem to be taking the decision to lockdown, even in cases where there is no positive case (just a suspected case). This seems to be unnecessary, and could make the final stages of various championships very chaotic. While I completely accept the we need to take all the necessary precautions, shutting down before there is a positive case seems to be an over-reaction. Thoughts?"
Have to disagree.

The nature of this virus is that people are infecting others before they realise they
have it themselves.

So if a club has a suspected case the safe thing to do is stop activities in case others have
been infected, get the person tested (takes about 3 days to get results) and then open up
if its negative.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1536 - 18/08/2020 11:25:07    2288030

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Replying To football first:  "A number of clubs seem to be taking the decision to lockdown, even in cases where there is no positive case (just a suspected case). This seems to be unnecessary, and could make the final stages of various championships very chaotic. While I completely accept the we need to take all the necessary precautions, shutting down before there is a positive case seems to be an over-reaction. Thoughts?"
It'd be a major gamble to just treat suspected cases as if they're negative. I'd say many clusters around the world have been caused by people not wanting to "over-react" to a suspected case.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1677 - 18/08/2020 12:35:39    2288040

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I understand why posters are saying "it's best to be cautious" but this runs against all the guidelines. I see Dublin county board has just released a statement saying that clubs do not need to cancel activities, even in the event of a positive case.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 18/08/2020 13:13:18    2288049

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "It'd be a major gamble to just treat suspected cases as if they're negative. I'd say many clusters around the world have been caused by people not wanting to "over-react" to a suspected case."
And also people have to remember that at the end of the day its only amateur and so what if some fixtures get deferred due to teams on lockdown. Its different if its the premiership or pro rugby. Gaa players aren't being paid to take the risk.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2303 - 18/08/2020 14:22:02    2288059

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Replying To football first:  "I understand why posters are saying "it's best to be cautious" but this runs against all the guidelines. I see Dublin county board has just released a statement saying that clubs do not need to cancel activities, even in the event of a positive case."
That maybe so, but my understanding is clubs will suspend all activity irrespective of guidelines form the Dublin County Board, they take their advice rightly from health authorities.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4953 - 18/08/2020 15:10:17    2288067

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Havent been on in a while, but just looking at the home page and seeing all the clubs that have suspended activity due to covid makes me think it is time the GAA top dogs made a decision for the good of all members especially vulnerable members and suspend all activity straight away, there is no doubt no matter what people say that GAA activity is helping the spread of covid in the communities, it is not critical that this activity continues, hopefully the government will make the decision for them as the GAA top brass will never do it as there is still the chance of a few quid being made, hospitals are starting to be over ran with cases again, i see it first hand where i am, all none critical hobbies need to be stopped

Tod (Kerry) - Posts: 31 - 18/08/2020 15:19:38    2288070

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It is getting to the stage where the current situation needs to be re-examined. There are more and more clubs daily suspending activities. It seems that there is a second wave or certainly an increase in cases and it would be in everyone's best interests and to protect people that the games be suspended. I didn't agree with the resumption of club activities with the virus still be prevalent but in fairness it did look good for a while but the virus is starting to manifest itself again. I can't see the intercounty championship going ahead in October due to the virus and due to the expense that some counties would have to expend or choose to expend in preparation which is not sustainable but that is a discussion for another day. It would be better to safeguard everyone, write off 2020 as most people thought would happen anyway and aim to resume in 2021 when it hopefully will be safer to do so.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 2096 - 18/08/2020 15:30:02    2288071

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absolutely time to make a decision for the greater good of everyone in the community, but i cannot see John Horan making that call, there will now be no crowds allowed at any sporting fixtures so this may push him to a decision as no money can be made

dec (None) - Posts: 295 - 18/08/2020 15:49:43    2288077

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Shameful decision today, couldn't have summed it up better myself

https://twitter.com/Shaneytweet/status/1295731021799981058?s=09

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 18/08/2020 15:56:37    2288079

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Replying To wexico15:  "Shameful decision today, couldn't have summed it up better myself

https://twitter.com/Shaneytweet/status/1295731021799981058?s=09"
Ye hard to make sense of it. There are several other things that are causing the spread of covid way more than playing football and hurling outdoors. GAA is one of the few things left at present in rural Ireland lifting the spirits of both young and old. Are the posters on here calling for gaa activity to cease from urban area where theres loads of other thingst o do or maybe there clubs are struggling in championship and it would save them from relegation if it was all called off? Genuinely not sure why they're pushing to stop gaa.

Leftpeg1 (Westmeath) - Posts: 95 - 18/08/2020 16:08:28    2288080

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There'll be national uproar if this happens. Meat factory's restaurants and amusement parks thronged everyday. And the government thinking of sending children back to school next week. Come out. Absolutely clueless. Why should Gaa get the brunt when I haven't heard of any cases from attending a match

Longfordpat (Longford) - Posts: 13 - 18/08/2020 16:13:45    2288083

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Replying To Leftpeg1:  "Ye hard to make sense of it. There are several other things that are causing the spread of covid way more than playing football and hurling outdoors. GAA is one of the few things left at present in rural Ireland lifting the spirits of both young and old. Are the posters on here calling for gaa activity to cease from urban area where theres loads of other thingst o do or maybe there clubs are struggling in championship and it would save them from relegation if it was all called off? Genuinely not sure why they're pushing to stop gaa."
Also instead of people attending GAA games at a vast outdoor areas where everyone can space out safely people will congregate indoors to watch this games on streams? I'm far from an expert on viruses but am I missing something....

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 18/08/2020 16:13:48    2288084

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