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There's Gaa teams back training in Shanghai china But you're ruling it out in Ireland till at least this time next year!
theyoungbuck89 (Galway) - Posts: 37 - 10/05/2020 20:21:10 2277898
From today's news:
China reported 14 new confirmed coronavirus cases on Saturday, the highest number since 28 April, including the first in five weeks in the city of Wuhan, where the outbreak was first detected late last year. Eleven of 12 domestic infections were in the north-eastern province of Jilin, which prompted authorities to raise the risk level in Shulan county to high, days after downgrading all regions to low risk.
Authorities said the Shulan outbreak originated with a 45-year-old woman. She had no recent travel or exposure history but spread it to her husband, her three sisters and other family members. Train services in the county were suspended.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2446 - 10/05/2020 23:11:55
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It's over for the GAA anyway. Other sports will play away and the GAA wont because its caught between a rock and a hard place. It can't risk passing it on to people at home...players families
However if football ,rugby, cycling are all back then it's going to be along way back to compete..its tough. I think they need to play this year..
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 11/05/2020 00:03:42
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "There's Gaa teams back training in Shanghai china But you're ruling it out in Ireland till at least this time next year!
theyoungbuck89 (Galway) - Posts: 37 - 10/05/2020 20:21:10 2277898
From today's news:
China reported 14 new confirmed coronavirus cases on Saturday, the highest number since 28 April, including the first in five weeks in the city of Wuhan, where the outbreak was first detected late last year. Eleven of 12 domestic infections were in the north-eastern province of Jilin, which prompted authorities to raise the risk level in Shulan county to high, days after downgrading all regions to low risk.
Authorities said the Shulan outbreak originated with a 45-year-old woman. She had no recent travel or exposure history but spread it to her husband, her three sisters and other family members. Train services in the county were suspended." Do you know where Jilin is in China? Its on the border with North Korea and Russia. Its about two thousand kilometers to Shanghai. But I am not sure what point you are trying to make? Community transmission is always the key issue and when you have a border with North Korea and Russia its difficult to manage.
All that this shows is that while Ireland could get the virus under control, its controlling what comes into the country may be the most difficult part.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1799 - 11/05/2020 02:52:34
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Replying To FoolsGold: "China has had had plenty of viruses in the past, and are more use to dealing with pandemics. Things like wearing masks, they have went through all the procedure before.
This is a new phenomenon to Europe and definitely Ireland. More akin to the WW" At best its a comment stemming from the lack of knowledge about the wider world and really what a virus is. The comments imply that China deals with multiple viruses and contagious diseases that the rest of the world don't. Its the type of comment and opinions that result in fear, hate and discrimination of Chinese people throughout the world and we have see the results of this on multiple occasions as a result of this virus. These type of comments and views should not be allowed to go unchallenged and need to be called out for what they are.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1799 - 11/05/2020 03:19:43
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Replying To lilypad: "speaking of hiv, where is that gone? they told us in the early 90s that within 10 years everybody in ireland would know someone affected by it, 30 years later i myself do not, you?" I think that is the point - given how bad it could have been there was a mad scramble for a vaccine which never arrived but what has happened is that there are now effective treatments that allow you to live a normal life if you have it. People still die from AIDS however what it did do was change peoples personal habits in much the same way as I would expect this virus will have a long term impact on peoples personal habits. If it doesn't the world won't have learned very much. That said AIDS still decimates poorer countries but like most diseases we really turn a blind eye to the those facts.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1799 - 11/05/2020 03:51:09
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NZ at Level 2 now. Super Rugby to return mid June. Note the part of social distancing - seems they believe playing sport and social distancing are not incompatible.
Range of measures that can be applied locally or nationally
People can reconnect with friends and family, go shopping, or travel domestically, but should follow public health guidance.
Physical distancing of two metres from people you don't know when out in public is recommended, with one metre physical distancing in controlled environments like workplaces unless other measures are in place.
No more than 100 people at indoor or outdoor gatherings.
Sport and recreation activities are allowed, subject to conditions on gatherings, contact tracing, and - where practical - physical distancing.
Public venues can open but must comply with public health measures.
Health and disability care services operate as normally as possible.
Businesses can open to the public, but must follow public health guidance including in relation to physical distancing and contact tracing. Alternative ways of working encouraged where possible, for example remote working, shift-based working, physical distancing, staggering meal breaks, flexible leave.
It is safe to send your children to schools, early learning services and tertiary education. There will be appropriate measures in place.
People at higher-risk of severe illness from COVID-19 (those with underlying medical conditions, especially if not well-controlled, and seniors) are encouraged to take additional precautions when leaving home. They may work, if they agree with their employer that they can do so safely.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1799 - 11/05/2020 07:58:56
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Replying To zinny: " At best its a comment stemming from the lack of knowledge about the wider world and really what a virus is. The comments imply that China deals with multiple viruses and contagious diseases that the rest of the world don't. Its the type of comment and opinions that result in fear, hate and discrimination of Chinese people throughout the world and we have see the results of this on multiple occasions as a result of this virus. These type of comments and views should not be allowed to go unchallenged and need to be called out for what they are." You can dismiss it all you want.
. Many viruses originated in China. SARS, MERS, Swine flu.
It's not a hate agenda, it's fact.. They are more use to dealing with a with a Virus then Ireland is.
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 11/05/2020 08:01:43
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Replying To FoolsGold: "You can dismiss it all you want.
. Many viruses originated in China. SARS, MERS, Swine flu.
It's not a hate agenda, it's fact.. They are more use to dealing with a with a Virus then Ireland is." Every man and his dog doesn't for 1 second believe china's figures coming out, there's probably 10 times higher at least but unfort we will never know the truth on a number of things so to use China as an example on here give me a good laugh...
After listening to John Horan last night things are bleak looking to say the least on the possible return to play..
mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 449 - 11/05/2020 08:46:54
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I thought John Horan spoke very well last night and nice to some leadership finally from the GAA. In my opinion he should have gone the whole way and called the entire year off but he did that in as many words anyway.
By setting the boundaries for a return he has now possibly all but ruled out any return in 2021 either (if what the experts say about social distancing and a vaccine hold). It'll be the same for amateur soccer and rugby as well though albeit those sports (at top level) will now dominate the media coverage. However the extent those sports can get back to anything like normal even behind closed doors may be limited if the early signs from Germany are anything to go by. I'd say we could see lots of postponements and fixtures backlogs if/when they do start as they can hardly force a team to play/dock them points if they've all to into quarantine.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 11/05/2020 09:17:16
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Replying To FoolsGold: "You can dismiss it all you want.
. Many viruses originated in China. SARS, MERS, Swine flu.
It's not a hate agenda, it's fact.. They are more use to dealing with a with a Virus then Ireland is." MERS - Middle East Respiratory Syndrome
Swine Flu - Originated in the USA ( Yea good old Trump didn't say anything about that one)
SARS - yes originated in China in 2003 - thats 17 years ago, in addition it also spread to 30 other countries in the world including one case in Ireland. However it would seem as if the countries in Asia were the only ones who learned from or listen to their health authorities on now to contain the spread which has helped massively in this case.
You do know the flu is a virus and they believe that all of the current variants of it come from the 1918 Spanish Flu? in addition there are multiple other viruses that have developed out of the west and brought to the rest of the world. Some have vaccines that a lot of people seem not to get, which cause outbreaks. Whats amazing about these viruses is that the rules for containing them, vaccine or not are all very similar.
https://www.hpsc.ie/news/newsarchive/2019newsarchive/title-18833-en.html
I guess to you facts don't seem to matter but as I said we have seen that all too often before and the consequences of it are exactly what I said.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1799 - 11/05/2020 09:38:42
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Replying To zinny: "NZ at Level 2 now. Super Rugby to return mid June. Note the part of social distancing - seems they believe playing sport and social distancing are not incompatible.
Range of measures that can be applied locally or nationally
People can reconnect with friends and family, go shopping, or travel domestically, but should follow public health guidance.
Physical distancing of two metres from people you don't know when out in public is recommended, with one metre physical distancing in controlled environments like workplaces unless other measures are in place.
No more than 100 people at indoor or outdoor gatherings.
Sport and recreation activities are allowed, subject to conditions on gatherings, contact tracing, and - where practical - physical distancing.
Public venues can open but must comply with public health measures.
Health and disability care services operate as normally as possible.
Businesses can open to the public, but must follow public health guidance including in relation to physical distancing and contact tracing. Alternative ways of working encouraged where possible, for example remote working, shift-based working, physical distancing, staggering meal breaks, flexible leave.
It is safe to send your children to schools, early learning services and tertiary education. There will be appropriate measures in place.
People at higher-risk of severe illness from COVID-19 (those with underlying medical conditions, especially if not well-controlled, and seniors) are encouraged to take additional precautions when leaving home. They may work, if they agree with their employer that they can do so safely." NZ are at a different level to us, they only had 1500 confirmed cases and 21 deaths, they locked down their borders very early so they have this well under control, their daily positive cases are in single digits!! we cannot compare ourselves to them as we are still having 200 approx daily positive cases, with 22000 in total and almost 1500 deaths, so this is why they can have a different strategy to us, unfortunately we are stuck with social distancing until a vaccine is available so we will not see any GAA until this happens, at least John Horan was honest about this last night.
dec (None) - Posts: 268 - 11/05/2020 09:51:29
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I would echo what a few others have already mentioned here. I thought John Horan spoke very well last night and to give Des Cahill his due, asked the pertinent questions that GAA folk on the ground would likely have asked.
Horan was absolutely correct in what he said. If the GAA gave any sort of leeway, then clubs up and down the country would almost inevitably start flouting the laws. It required strong leadership from the GAA to continue to adopt a cautious approach in spite of what Leo said.
There should be no ambiguity now. Simply put - if social distancing continues to be a requirement in combating the virus then there can't be any GAA activity, training, matches, county or club. Things might change for the better, I hope & pray that they do but until then, we're at where we're at.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9115 - 11/05/2020 10:42:11
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Replying To dec: "NZ are at a different level to us, they only had 1500 confirmed cases and 21 deaths, they locked down their borders very early so they have this well under control, their daily positive cases are in single digits!! we cannot compare ourselves to them as we are still having 200 approx daily positive cases, with 22000 in total and almost 1500 deaths, so this is why they can have a different strategy to us, unfortunately we are stuck with social distancing until a vaccine is available so we will not see any GAA until this happens, at least John Horan was honest about this last night." Funny how the medical guys are using NZ as an example of where they would want to get to, anyway the point a lot of people are ignoring is that at some stage we get to a situation whereby we find ourselves at the same point at NZ and that social distancing and playing games coexist without a vaccine. A month ago we had a thousand a day, now thats two hundred, another month it could be 2. All of the work being done now is being done for a reason and thats not to kill the virus completely as thats simply not going to happen but to get people to the new normal. However to believe that that new normal cannot have contact sport and social distancing is wrong.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1799 - 11/05/2020 12:01:37
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It's all too complicated for me. Just tell me when I can go out again.
I'm still struggling with the surprising news that there's a Lough Down in England.
lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 11/05/2020 13:19:20
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Replying To zinny: "Funny how the medical guys are using NZ as an example of where they would want to get to, anyway the point a lot of people are ignoring is that at some stage we get to a situation whereby we find ourselves at the same point at NZ and that social distancing and playing games coexist without a vaccine. A month ago we had a thousand a day, now thats two hundred, another month it could be 2. All of the work being done now is being done for a reason and thats not to kill the virus completely as thats simply not going to happen but to get people to the new normal. However to believe that that new normal cannot have contact sport and social distancing is wrong." Zinny I respect your opinion and wish I had your optimism but how can social distancing and contact sports co-exist? I'm not saying they can't, but I've not read or seen anything to make me understand how they can. Do you mean if the R number is lowered sufficiently enough that the risk of not adhering to social distancing is low also?
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9115 - 11/05/2020 13:26:17
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Replying To Lockjaw: "I would echo what a few others have already mentioned here. I thought John Horan spoke very well last night and to give Des Cahill his due, asked the pertinent questions that GAA folk on the ground would likely have asked.
Horan was absolutely correct in what he said. If the GAA gave any sort of leeway, then clubs up and down the country would almost inevitably start flouting the laws. It required strong leadership from the GAA to continue to adopt a cautious approach in spite of what Leo said.
There should be no ambiguity now. Simply put - if social distancing continues to be a requirement in combating the virus then there can't be any GAA activity, training, matches, county or club. Things might change for the better, I hope & pray that they do but until then, we're at where we're at." 2022 now if we are lucky!
theyoungbuck89 (Galway) - Posts: 59 - 11/05/2020 13:29:47
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Replying To zinny: "Funny how the medical guys are using NZ as an example of where they would want to get to, anyway the point a lot of people are ignoring is that at some stage we get to a situation whereby we find ourselves at the same point at NZ and that social distancing and playing games coexist without a vaccine. A month ago we had a thousand a day, now thats two hundred, another month it could be 2. All of the work being done now is being done for a reason and thats not to kill the virus completely as thats simply not going to happen but to get people to the new normal. However to believe that that new normal cannot have contact sport and social distancing is wrong." https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2020/0323/1124818-ireland-tb-epidemic-coronavirus/
Interesting how life continued as normal and GAA championships got played in the 1930's and 40's when the country was ravaged by TB.
Different times of course and people then had a different outlook on life.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 11/05/2020 13:36:36
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There are a number of people in this thread who are being absolute one way or the other in terms of when action will resume. The truth is, they don't know.
People who say there won't be a ball kicked until there's a vaccine, can't possibly say that for sure.
Likewise, those who say we can play and manage with the virus, if community infection rates are low.
Even the experts don't know how this is eventually going to play out.
There are some signs that the virus is weakening and may continue to do so. This combined with very effective treatments could mean no requirement for a vaccine.
On the other hand, there were suggestions from some medical professionals that a second wave in late autumn could be even worse.
It's fine for people to share opinions, but you won't find any expert being as absolute about anything as some of posters. The reason being, they know how complex the matter is and how many unknowns there are.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2034 - 11/05/2020 15:17:17
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Replying To PoolSturgeon: "https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2020/0323/1124818-ireland-tb-epidemic-coronavirus/
Interesting how life continued as normal and GAA championships got played in the 1930's and 40's when the country was ravaged by TB.
Different times of course and people then had a different outlook on life." There weren't as many games in those days. No back door, no round robins, no Super Eight.
The most games you'd need to play to win the AI would be six. Plus replays, obviously.
And folk were a bit more tolerant about delays. Was it the 1921 final that was played two years late, in 1923 ?
We'll try not to mention the 1925 Football Shambles........
lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 11/05/2020 15:31:21
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i have said on here several times there will be no gaa this year or next, weeks ago i asked 2 barrister friends [one x county footballer] if the gaa would be libel if they restarted games and lads got infected, one reply was frightening, " i doubt in the long run if they would be found libel but without a doubt if anyone got infected at a match they could sue , now in the long run they will more than likely loose it in the high court , but it could tie the gaa up for up to 6 to 10 years in the high court costing millions and in the meantime no games could be played. there it is, from a barrister
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2840 - 11/05/2020 16:06:48
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