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I'm throwing this out there so if it suits feel free to comment,

Who within the association either prefer or want the elite status.

What advantage is it overall to the association in its entirety.

What qualifies a county to claim or be given the elite title.

Has "elite" a qualification / or a hall mark.

In the overall scheme of things what exactly changes when elitism is removed.


Personally, I feel elitism is as useful to the gaa as the return of the red thumb.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 15/04/2021 12:04:37    2337285

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Replying To carlovia:  "Don't think there was ever a plan to go back in Jan or Feb so the only loss of the elite status was March. Seeing as the numbers were so high at the time, the Gaa probably felt that being careful was the right plan.

Regards your criticism of Horan being the worst president ever, I think it's harsh. What other president faced a pandemic which halted everything during their term ?

The Gaa have been cautious since the pandemic started but given its unknown nature it may have been the best approach."
Ever before the pandemic he waffled about other things, took them back, changed what he said and had to be corrected by Tom Ryan and others. I wish him all the best in life and only my opinion.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 15/04/2021 13:47:09    2337301

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Replying To supersub15:  "I'm throwing this out there so if it suits feel free to comment,

Who within the association either prefer or want the elite status.

What advantage is it overall to the association in its entirety.

What qualifies a county to claim or be given the elite title.

Has "elite" a qualification / or a hall mark.

In the overall scheme of things what exactly changes when elitism is removed.


Personally, I feel elitism is as useful to the gaa as the return of the red thumb."
Supersub15 if the term "elite" means nothing why did someone come up with in the first place ? If it was a no value status to anyone ? Would it be to allow certain sports to continue or have more privileges that others ? It could be certainly under an umbrella to allow sports people that earn their living play. However that is flawed because under that umbrella it allowed many others who are not professionals and in the work place avoid the regulations be potential spreaders the same as everyone else.. Many others lost their jobs and business other than professional sport.
Probable no one in the GAA wanted elite status what ever that was meant to be but I would wager that many wanted to be able to play safely in their local field. Many mental health issues could have been avoided. Many parents could have been saved the stress of dealing withered kids and yes I do believe this could have been done in a safe manner. Yes this is in my opinion is where the baby was thrown out with the bath water.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 15/04/2021 14:15:07    2337304

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Replying To Canuck:  "Supersub15 if the term "elite" means nothing why did someone come up with in the first place ? If it was a no value status to anyone ? Would it be to allow certain sports to continue or have more privileges that others ? It could be certainly under an umbrella to allow sports people that earn their living play. However that is flawed because under that umbrella it allowed many others who are not professionals and in the work place avoid the regulations be potential spreaders the same as everyone else.. Many others lost their jobs and business other than professional sport.
Probable no one in the GAA wanted elite status what ever that was meant to be but I would wager that many wanted to be able to play safely in their local field. Many mental health issues could have been avoided. Many parents could have been saved the stress of dealing withered kids and yes I do believe this could have been done in a safe manner. Yes this is in my opinion is where the baby was thrown out with the bath water."
Probable no one in the GAA wanted elite status what ever that was meant to be but I would wager that many wanted to be able to play safely in their local field. Many mental health issues could have been avoided. Many parents could have been saved the stress of dealing withered kids and yes I do believe this could have been done in a safe manner. Yes this is in my opinion is where the baby was thrown out with the bath water


- - also as a previous poster pointed out, the only loss to elite status was March, so my question is if we had elite status would it have been helpful towards putting together a structured and meaningful training program where deemed necessary and helpful that would tick all the boxes so to speak, if it wasn't helpful then what good is elitism in circumstances like we are experiencing now, that is the point I was trying to make.
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supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 15/04/2021 21:29:49    2337351

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Replying To Rockies:  "China owns about 1.3 trillion of USA debt.. about same as Japan. If China called in its debt, the dollar would collapse and world recession worse than the 2009 crisis would ensue! China's economy would suffer along with everyone else. Right now the USA is printing money at a record pace, the debt is bigger than the economy and it remains to be seen how this economic experiment will end up! Right now stock market is at record levels, fueled by FAANG and the Nasdaq. Way overvalued in my opinion, but I don't see China calling in debt!"
Yeah,I only checked what China owns of American debt after submitting my post and yes you're right, that's what Google says alright.The US economy is in a serious situation with all the debt and I understand China has no debt.
At the moment China is manufacturing a huge proportion of goods for the western world on a contract basis and it needs
that to continue.It will be a very serious issue for China if it doesn't continue long-term into the future.
I'm sure the Chinese are aware of this and have a plan.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 15/04/2021 21:55:44    2337361

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "Yeah,I only checked what China owns of American debt after submitting my post and yes you're right, that's what Google says alright.The US economy is in a serious situation with all the debt and I understand China has no debt.
At the moment China is manufacturing a huge proportion of goods for the western world on a contract basis and it needs
that to continue.It will be a very serious issue for China if it doesn't continue long-term into the future.
I'm sure the Chinese are aware of this and have a plan."
Its mind boggling the top four owners of USDebt
1.) Japan
2.) China
3.) Uk
4.) Ireland - yes Ireland surreal.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 15/04/2021 23:49:26    2337371

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Replying To arock:  "Its mind boggling the top four owners of USDebt
1.) Japan
2.) China
3.) Uk
4.) Ireland - yes Ireland surreal."
Ireland appears on the list because it's a tax haven for American corporations and used as a tool to avoid repatriation tax, you'll probably find the Cayman Islands fairly high up the list as well.

There's also a suspicion that China's real holding is actually much higher than it appears, time will tell.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 16/04/2021 10:13:11    2337379

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Ireland appears on the list because it's a tax haven for American corporations and used as a tool to avoid repatriation tax, you'll probably find the Cayman Islands fairly high up the list as well.

There's also a suspicion that China's real holding is actually much higher than it appears, time will tell. "
Well this thread has had some strange twists but going into the relationship between a countries debt and the foreign currency reserves was not something I would ever have foreseen.
I think this forum should keep all questions about economics to Dublin getting too much money from the GAA!

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 16/04/2021 14:59:19    2337405

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Replying To zinny:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "Ireland appears on the list because it's a tax haven for American corporations and used as a tool to avoid repatriation tax, you'll probably find the Cayman Islands fairly high up the list as well.

There's also a suspicion that China's real holding is actually much higher than it appears, time will tell. "
Well this thread has had some strange twists but going into the relationship between a countries debt and the foreign currency reserves was not something I would ever have foreseen.
I think this forum should keep all questions about economics to Dublin getting too much money from the GAA!"
The forum or just this thread?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 16/04/2021 15:13:09    2337406

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Replying To zinny:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "Ireland appears on the list because it's a tax haven for American corporations and used as a tool to avoid repatriation tax, you'll probably find the Cayman Islands fairly high up the list as well.

There's also a suspicion that China's real holding is actually much higher than it appears, time will tell. "
Well this thread has had some strange twists but going into the relationship between a countries debt and the foreign currency reserves was not something I would ever have foreseen.
I think this forum should keep all questions about economics to Dublin getting too much money from the GAA!"
I think this forum should keep all questions about economics to Dublin getting too much money from the GAA!"

Well there is no question about that ! :-)

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 16/04/2021 15:21:38    2337409

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To zinny:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Ireland appears on the list because it's a tax haven for American corporations and used as a tool to avoid repatriation tax, you'll probably find the Cayman Islands fairly high up the list as well.

There's also a suspicion that China's real holding is actually much higher than it appears, time will tell. "
Well this thread has had some strange twists but going into the relationship between a countries debt and the foreign currency reserves was not something I would ever have foreseen.
I think this forum should keep all questions about economics to Dublin getting too much money from the GAA!"
I think this forum should keep all questions about economics to Dublin getting too much money from the GAA!"

Well there is no question about that ! :-)"]There is a saying in the monetary circles, "it's only money" not worth the paper it's written on. Life goes on, and on and on, etc. etc. etc.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 16/04/2021 21:53:27    2337457

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Replying To Dubsfan28:  "Leinster rugby *hope* to trial having 2000 supporters in the RDS. Powers that have to approve it first but I have my doubts that the request will be approved unfortunately. It would be a good idea to see how it would work imo."
If everyone has masks on and sit in every third seat and take the usual precautions like washing hands, etc you'd think it would be all right. I see baseball stadiums having fair crowds at their games.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2120 - 19/04/2021 13:02:54    2337849

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Replying To Trump2020:  "If everyone has masks on and sit in every third seat and take the usual precautions like washing hands, etc you'd think it would be all right. I see baseball stadiums having fair crowds at their games."
You'd like to think it would be approved. Fingers crossed.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 19/04/2021 13:43:29    2337863

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Replying To Dubsfan28:  "You'd like to think it would be approved. Fingers crossed."
Maybe proof of vaccine would be a requirement too.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2120 - 22/04/2021 01:55:01    2338297

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Maybe proof of vaccine would be a requirement too."
Ah and there was me hoping to get to a game this year.....

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 22/04/2021 10:36:22    2338328

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Replying To Dubsfan28:  "Ah and there was me hoping to get to a game this year....."
Ahhh sure there's always next year....ha ha.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2120 - 22/04/2021 15:51:08    2338396

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Ahhh sure there's always next year....ha ha."
however even next year things will have to change - I cannot see the hill lasting - not that contact tracing is anything to talk about right but the hill really makes everyone a close contact

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 25/04/2021 13:39:35    2338704

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Replying To zinny:  "however even next year things will have to change - I cannot see the hill lasting - not that contact tracing is anything to talk about right but the hill really makes everyone a close contact"
By then won't everyone have the vaccine? And they can still enforce the mask thing and take temps at entry points.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2120 - 25/04/2021 15:00:16    2338710

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Replying To Trump2020:  "By then won't everyone have the vaccine? And they can still enforce the mask thing and take temps at entry points."
Good luck to anyone trying to enforce mask wearing at a game in Croke Park. You'd want to be desperate to even want to go to a game wearing a mask.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 25/04/2021 18:33:30    2338719

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Taking every individuals temperature and possible refusal of entry, plus wearing masks outdoors, yep good luck with that one.

78,000 at an aussie rules game this morning. Boy was I envious.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 25/04/2021 18:39:31    2338720

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