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Replying To CiarraiMick: "I don't get the media and the fear mongering. You are correct about alot of what you say Galway. The death toll in 2020 was the same as any other year. No increase despite this contagious virus that had killed thousands. Also if a person dies they are tested for covid. If a strain shows up they are registered as a covid death but they might have died from a stroke a heartattack or cancer. Its crazy. I know lots of people that got the virus. A few were very sick. A few were very weak but the majority had no symptoms whatsoever. Yes it's dangerous. Yes it can kill but the vast majority will be fine." Agree with you, I said months ago that if you had a positive covid test and you were healthy and got run over by a bus, that's another covid death.
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Replying To Canuck: "The one tier health care system for all in Canada while not perfect was designed to create equity. Money will not get you to a specialist any quicker than the public health system. A very clever man called Tommy Douglas many years ago got it through parliament. He got it it written into the constitution so that it could not be changed only by a referendum. Not a hope of that, so political parties don't even try. Remote areas in the North are provide doctors by giving incentives to go to Canada with a obligation to stay up there for five years. Many doctors from South Africa took this opportunity. There has been attempts to circumvent the health system but that is a dangerous illegal road to go down. The U.S. constantly rant against the system in Canada because they are embarrassed with it on their door step and prefer a private system that makes sure the rich can buy their health while protecting the pharmaceutical companies. The poor can die. Vital drugs that people require can be 100 times the cost in the U.S. A disadvantage may be some physicians may leave and go to the U.S. to become billionaires quicker. Not perfect but everyone can manage to be treated." Canada s system sounds very good. Most countries the poor die first and silent.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3674 - 27/03/2021 21:53:14
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Replying To updwell: " Replying To KillingFields: "[quote=galwayford: "[quote=KillingFields: "Another vaccine PR disaster with the Beacon hospital. Jesus there is nothing in this country that can be done right/straight.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7180 - 26/03/2021 13:04:50 terrible PR considering they passed multiple schools on the way to give gerards teachers the vaccines.
Hardly the worst of indiscretions. Better that they were used up than thrown out as happened in one private nursing home at the start of the roll out. Teachers at least are frontline workers and arguably should be higher on the sequencing list than they have been put. If it was the HSE not following their own guidelines it would be something to complain about but a private company doing a bit of a solo run, though not helpful, is hardly something that can be put in the category of " there is nothing in this country that can be done right/straight"
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1492 - 26/03/2021 13:37:05 it is in the context when multiple schools were much closer than gerards.
This was a private company operating for the privileged who took highly valued and much sought after public property which was intended for vurnerable people and was given to to the teachers of a rich fee paying rugby school. Are we that timid and down trodden as a people that we find this ok and just shrug our shoulders. They were right not to waste the vaccines but giving them to this group of people is only slightly better.
updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 442 - 26/03/2021 18:14:56 what does rugby have to do with this? Why even mention rugby in this context?" It is relevent. Inter pro rugby is allowed at the moment- good luck to them, and inter county GAA is not. Ok, Gah players go back to work on the Monday. But games are played outdoors. And players travel in cars to and from the games. Vaccinating intercounty players and officials is one way to get back playing. There is only 20 vaccines, and these though are going to a Rugby school, not a GAA one."
Who would pay for the tests for all inter county teams. Do players really deserve vaccinations ahead of at risk people/staff working in hospitals etc? No they dont."]No of course GAA players don't deserve the vaccine before the elderly, the sick or various frontline workers but the CEO of a private hospital thought school teachers in his kids private fee paying rugby playing school did. KillingFields,whether you like it or not, this CEO and his actions represent to a lot of people what the upper class and the rugby community do in this country. They think they shouldn't have to wait in line like the rest of us and can use their money and old school contacts to get ahead. Hockey, tennis and rugby are their sports of choice."]Look by say August or September will it really matter. All those over 65 and vulnerable will all be vaccinated by then. The country will have to open up, when that target is reached. It cannot be kept closed because a miniscule number of people may die- if that was the case all motorists should be taken of the roads because a few are killed or badly maimed in accidents.
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Effing disgusting what they did, no better than the DUP for not offering to the needy. No one under 55 who is healthy needs the vaccine in front of the sick and vulnerable either North or South. That goes for over the water as well. I'd hate to see these people when the titanic was going down, women and children first, some chance.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2006 - 27/03/2021 22:11:21
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No of course GAA players don't deserve the vaccine before the elderly, the sick or various frontline workers but the CEO of a private hospital thought school teachers in his kids private fee paying rugby playing school did. KillingFields,whether you like it or not, this CEO and his actions represent to a lot of people what the upper class and the rugby community do in this country. They think they shouldn't have to wait in line like the rest of us and can use their money and old school contacts to get ahead. Hockey, tennis and rugby are their sports of choice.
updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 444 - 27/03/2021 21:07:16
Rugby has nothing. Absolutely nothing to do with this.
No reason to bring it up.
The actions here do not represent what the rugby community does in this country.
Tennis in most of the country is far from a posh sport/old school contacts. same with rugby and hockey.
to clam they are anything different to GAA, soccer is rather pathetic
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 27/03/2021 22:16:40
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Replying To Saynothing: "Agree with you, I said months ago that if you had a positive covid test and you were healthy and got run over by a bus, that's another covid death." Provided it's within 28 days, of course.
This time last year, you could never, ever recover from Covid. You were branded for the rest of your life.
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Replying To lionofludesch: "Provided it's within 28 days, of course.
This time last year, you could never, ever recover from Covid. You were branded for the rest of your life." Surely you understand that this isn't true. If you are COVID-positive and are run over by a bus, or drown, or fall down the stairs, this is not counted in the daily numbers as there is a clear cause of death that is not COVID-19.
SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 373 - 28/03/2021 14:52:38
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Replying To SurelyToGod: "Surely you understand that this isn't true. If you are COVID-positive and are run over by a bus, or drown, or fall down the stairs, this is not counted in the daily numbers as there is a clear cause of death that is not COVID-19." It is in the UK.
Deaths for any reason within 28 days of a positive test.
lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 28/03/2021 15:00:23
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Replying To SurelyToGod: "Surely you understand that this isn't true. If you are COVID-positive and are run over by a bus, or drown, or fall down the stairs, this is not counted in the daily numbers as there is a clear cause of death that is not COVID-19." I'm afraid the detailed autopsy might say different but they do go down as a covid death
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3674 - 28/03/2021 15:01:41
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Replying To SurelyToGod: "Surely you understand that this isn't true. If you are COVID-positive and are run over by a bus, or drown, or fall down the stairs, this is not counted in the daily numbers as there is a clear cause of death that is not COVID-19." I'm not sure about being run over by a bus, but they use the term covid "related" deaths, because in those cases, covid is not the clear cause of death.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1699 - 28/03/2021 15:02:45
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Replying To SurelyToGod: "Surely you understand that this isn't true. If you are COVID-positive and are run over by a bus, or drown, or fall down the stairs, this is not counted in the daily numbers as there is a clear cause of death that is not COVID-19." The Belfast Telegraph must have missed that memo
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 28/03/2021 15:39:07
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Replying To Galway9801: "Canadas waiting lists are also renowned for being lengthy. Im not aware of the specifics of their legislation but I wonder does Canada have similar issues to ireland where people exploit their governments generosity and use state aid to provide themselves with medicines they don't need, but might provide legal highs, all courtesy of the taxpayer.
I once saw an ex girlfriend and her mother gleefully lay out a range of prescription pills they acquired from their respective physicians, that served no purpose other than to help while away the rigours of boredom, bought and paid for by others.
Talk about spitting on the worker." Canada's waiting list are no lengthier than any where else but guess what you will not get to jump the queue because you can pay the physician. Surgeries are taken in order of priority. My own experience is it is like pulling teeth to get a prescription except it is totally required. Also you pay the first $100 for prescriptions and then the system kicks in. Not all drugs are on the provided free list either. Incidentally no physician provide medicines. They man give you a sample pack with some in to try. Like I said it is not perfect either and it is hard to beat all those who exploit but because of the insight of one man everybody has health care.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 28/03/2021 15:45:00
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Replying To KillingFields: "No of course GAA players don't deserve the vaccine before the elderly, the sick or various frontline workers but the CEO of a private hospital thought school teachers in his kids private fee paying rugby playing school did. KillingFields,whether you like it or not, this CEO and his actions represent to a lot of people what the upper class and the rugby community do in this country. They think they shouldn't have to wait in line like the rest of us and can use their money and old school contacts to get ahead. Hockey, tennis and rugby are their sports of choice.
updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 444 - 27/03/2021 21:07:16
Rugby has nothing. Absolutely nothing to do with this.
No reason to bring it up.
The actions here do not represent what the rugby community does in this country.
Tennis in most of the country is far from a posh sport/old school contacts. same with rugby and hockey.
to clam they are anything different to GAA, soccer is rather pathetic" There is an element of begrudgery in what I say about Rugby. I should say, League of Ireland really, a semi pro sport is being played at the moment. Very similar to inter county GAA. I don't like bringing in other sports to this. Good luck to their effective lobbying. Which the GAA has not done. Sorry to see Munster lose last evening in Pro 14.
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Replying To galwayford: " Replying To KillingFields: "No of course GAA players don't deserve the vaccine before the elderly, the sick or various frontline workers but the CEO of a private hospital thought school teachers in his kids private fee paying rugby playing school did. KillingFields,whether you like it or not, this CEO and his actions represent to a lot of people what the upper class and the rugby community do in this country. They think they shouldn't have to wait in line like the rest of us and can use their money and old school contacts to get ahead. Hockey, tennis and rugby are their sports of choice.
updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 444 - 27/03/2021 21:07:16
Rugby has nothing. Absolutely nothing to do with this.
No reason to bring it up.
The actions here do not represent what the rugby community does in this country.
Tennis in most of the country is far from a posh sport/old school contacts. same with rugby and hockey.
to clam they are anything different to GAA, soccer is rather pathetic" There is an element of begrudgery in what I say about Rugby. I should say, League of Ireland really, a semi pro sport is being played at the moment. Very similar to inter county GAA. I don't like bringing in other sports to this. Good luck to their effective lobbying. Which the GAA has not done. Sorry to see Munster lose last evening in Pro 14."
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 28/03/2021 16:42:33
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "I'm afraid the detailed autopsy might say different but they do go down as a covid death" It is, of course, blocks but I don't suppose there will be a lot of hard cases to overstate the Covid deaths in the great scheme of things.
lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 28/03/2021 16:51:34
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Replying To Galway9801: "I'm not sure about being run over by a bus, but they use the term covid "related" deaths, because in those cases, covid is not the clear cause of death." It's not specifically buses. Lorries count the same.
lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 28/03/2021 16:54:16
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Replying To KillingFields: "No of course GAA players don't deserve the vaccine before the elderly, the sick or various frontline workers but the CEO of a private hospital thought school teachers in his kids private fee paying rugby playing school did. KillingFields,whether you like it or not, this CEO and his actions represent to a lot of people what the upper class and the rugby community do in this country. They think they shouldn't have to wait in line like the rest of us and can use their money and old school contacts to get ahead. Hockey, tennis and rugby are their sports of choice.
updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 444 - 27/03/2021 21:07:16
Rugby has nothing. Absolutely nothing to do with this.
No reason to bring it up.
The actions here do not represent what the rugby community does in this country.
Tennis in most of the country is far from a posh sport/old school contacts. same with rugby and hockey.
to clam they are anything different to GAA, soccer is rather pathetic" Yea look some on here have completely lost the plot. The government are trying to get millions vaccinated through different ways as there is no central system that could manage it all. To expect there something like this wouldn't happen is simply not realistic, it could just as easily been a few lads who know each other through a GAA club. It wasn't too long ago that we had a massive supporter of the GAA who had money resting in his account but it wasn't for his use.To get something like this done you are going to have to accept level of error, we hope it doesn't happen but that is not human nature.
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In 2020 at the height of the Covid pandemic, our Govt gave the GAA the go ahead. Both clubs and county. An All Ireland final was played in mid December. Just a few short months later, the self same Govt effectively banned the GAA. Confusing??
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Replying To zinny: " Replying To KillingFields: "No of course GAA players don't deserve the vaccine before the elderly, the sick or various frontline workers but the CEO of a private hospital thought school teachers in his kids private fee paying rugby playing school did. KillingFields,whether you like it or not, this CEO and his actions represent to a lot of people what the upper class and the rugby community do in this country. They think they shouldn't have to wait in line like the rest of us and can use their money and old school contacts to get ahead. Hockey, tennis and rugby are their sports of choice.
updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 444 - 27/03/2021 21:07:16
Rugby has nothing. Absolutely nothing to do with this.
No reason to bring it up.
The actions here do not represent what the rugby community does in this country.
Tennis in most of the country is far from a posh sport/old school contacts. same with rugby and hockey.
to clam they are anything different to GAA, soccer is rather pathetic" Yea look some on here have completely lost the plot. The government are trying to get millions vaccinated through different ways as there is no central system that could manage it all. To expect there something like this wouldn't happen is simply not realistic, it could just as easily been a few lads who know each other through a GAA club. It wasn't too long ago that we had a massive supporter of the GAA who had money resting in his account but it wasn't for his use.To get something like this done you are going to have to accept level of error, we hope it doesn't happen but that is not human nature."
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What effect will the coronavirus have on ladies Aussie rules football? Going by this sites headlines lately admin seem more interested in that than gaelic games.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1699 - 28/03/2021 23:48:35
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