Whilst as an Ulster person I delighted to see Tyrone make it to the promised land for the third time this decade, I still can't help feeling a bit dissappointed in the Monaghan people for selling their souls so easily. I think we're like kids looking though the window at a bit fancy party that we haven't been invited to, and unlikely to get to be part of unless we stop putting up with moral defeats and selling ourselves short. From what I can see the Tyrone team are going to be our childrens hearo's instead of our own Monaghan men. What other county would have a reception for their rivals like Monaghan did yesterday - are we accepting that we'll never have our own and deciding to jump on the next nearest bandwagon we can find ? Every other year the Kerry team pass through Mallow - and I'm sure the Cork folk are now out clapping them on their backs ! I think be happy for them by all means - but it's not our party - and stop pretending it is !!

Monaghanforsam (None) - Posts: 74 - 23/09/2008 11:09:12    105328

I agree completely. The last time tyrone won the all-ireland, we gave them a pipe band down through blaney street. That was embarrisin enough without yesterdays reception. We're meant to be serious rivals to tyrone in ulster next year. Yes fair play to them but lets win something and get our own reception.. even an ulster next year which cant be out of reach.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 23/09/2008 11:45:48    105401

You miss the point boys. We're not celebrating our rivals. We're celebrating the All-Ireland champions who happen to be our next door neighbours. The champions deserve our respect and the respect of all gaels because they have earned it on the field of play in the biggest match of the year. Tyrone deserves special respect because of our close social, cultural and historical ties with the O'Neill County and now they have prevailed in the sport we love.
In 2009, we become rivals again and, while we will still respect the champions, we won't stand in awe of them as we resume the quest to become champions ourselves.

Borderboy (Monaghan) - Posts: 277 - 23/09/2008 11:57:03    105436

Well said Borderboy, i couldn't agree with you more.

Peterthegreat (Monaghan) - Posts: 82 - 23/09/2008 12:16:21    105469

This thread is up there with the most ridiculous I've ever read. Nobody is jumping on a bandwagon. Where does this bitterness come from?

superfarney (Monaghan) - Posts: 260 - 23/09/2008 12:55:04    105519

Borderboy, you can dress it up in whatever cultural spin you like - but the reality is, it is not our celebration.
I'd dearly love if it was - but it's Tyrone's year and leave them to it. One wonders would we do the same if Cavan won ?!
Someone at work said to me I see yis gave Tyrone a reception yesterday "I suppose it's the closest you'se will get to Sam"
Sums it up really !

Monaghanforsam (None) - Posts: 74 - 23/09/2008 13:13:28    105534

Im along with Peter the Great here, well said border boy. We support them when we are out because they are there representing Ulster and we too are in Ulster. It's the exact same as supporting a European team in the World Cup if they are playing a non european team. And it's not just Monaghan. I was talking to a Cavan man living in Dublin last night and he was absolutely delighted to see Tyrone won it and he was not embarassed to say that he celebrated it. It's a great camaraderie we have in Ulster and we should be proud of it. As previously said, we won't stand back in awe in 2009 if we face up to Tyrone, while Monaghan are there we support them 110%. Don't be sour lads. Be proud of Ulster.

Bambi (Monaghan) - Posts: 45 - 23/09/2008 13:32:43    105566

Monaghan Abu, Tyrone deserved all the support and praise. They were the Ulster representatives and deserved our support. That does'nt mean that other Ulster teams wont be out to kick the **** out of them in the c/ship next year. Was it not better than seeing Kerry win another. This should give Ulster counties even more incentive to win next year. I do see your point but would always celebrate any Ulster success.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 23/09/2008 14:09:31    105617

Borderboy

Close cultural ties??? I'm sorry lads, yes of course i am glad to see an ulster team win sam and yes il clap them but we have def went over the top, pipe bands and stuff, come on now. And, myself and everyone of my clubmates have cheered against armagh in every game over the last 10 years. Why do we do that to our even closer neighbours??

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 23/09/2008 14:17:57    105624

Boys a dear, Monaghanan Abu and Brolly, you still don't get it, do you? Let me put this in very simple terms for you:
Tyrone won the All-Ireland Football Championship Final on Sunday. That makes Tyrone All-Ireland Champions. Monaghan is in Ireland, so that makes them our champions for this year of 2008.
It is not about jumping on bandwagons. I don't care who you favoured in the final; however, I would expect as Ulstermen and neighbours you would support Tyrone. This is about showing due respect to the Champions of Ireland and joining in the celebration of gaelic games success with them. I would expect the same show of respect (if not celebration) from Kerry gaels for the all-Ireland champions of 2008.
As I said, next year the bets are off and, while showing due respect for the champions, we want their crown and any others going. Then, by the grace of all that is good and holy in gaelic games, we might have our day in the sun and be celebrated as champions too by our friends and neighbours throughout Ireland.
That is the core value of place and identity we cherish and live through our games. That is why champions are champions.
Now do you get it lads?

Borderboy (Monaghan) - Posts: 277 - 23/09/2008 15:27:28    105696

What close ties do we have with them. We would have more in common with Cork people for God sake.

aughnamullen (Monaghan) - Posts: 55 - 23/09/2008 16:11:36    105745

Well some of us would have much closer ties with Tyrone people than we have with people in Aughnamullen, for God's sake.
If you need this explained look to family, neighbours; courting Tyrone women about the Hillgrove and Four Seasons back in the day; swallying pints with Tyrone lads about Monaghan town, Emyvale and Truagh; even playing as ringers on neighbouring teams across the county line. not to mention the historical links of the McMahons, McKenna and O'Neills; the battles we fought alongside one another - Clontibret, Kinsale etc.; cultural ties in terms of music and great writers, notably William Carleton. Then there are ecclesiastical ties through the Diocese of Clogher (Catholic and Chruch of Ireland), the exchanges of clergy, teachers, Tyrone men who went to the Sem, links through the gaeltachts; friendships at college; professional links; the Tyrone workers throughout north Moanghan in carpentry offices, businesses etc.
Do I really have to go on listing these things that tie the people of Monaghan and Tyrone closer than most neighbourting counties? Cork my ****, but if they were all-Ireland champions I would celebrate the Rebels too, but not quite as fervently as I celebate our good neighbours, because they are great champions.

Borderboy (Monaghan) - Posts: 277 - 23/09/2008 16:45:15    105785

What close ties do we have with them. We would have more in common with Cork people for God sake.

Wrong. To give one simple example, Aoife and Ciara McAnespie have a Tyrone father and a Monaghan mother and they play Cork on Sunday. You can be sure that Tyrone and not Cork will be cheering on the McAnespie sisters in the Ladies Final.

Fact is that for as long as I've been going to games, I was always given the example by my elders and betters of supporting the Ulster team when Monaghan got knocked out and that includes supporting Cavan. So Sunday was great and I was delighted with Tyrone's win. Won't stop me hoping we beat them next year but if Monaghan can't do it then I'm happy if any other Ulster team can lift Sam.

pitch invader (Monaghan) - Posts: 51 - 23/09/2008 16:59:56    105808

Well said, Pitch Invader, I shold have got that one too. The McAnespie family personifies the close links between our great counties and I know for a fact that the entire GAA community in Tyrone will be celebrating the latest All-Ireland champions if we win the Ladies. Pity the Minor final replay could not have been linked for that would have made another great day out for the true gaels of Tyrone and Monaghan - champions all.

Borderboy (Monaghan) - Posts: 277 - 23/09/2008 17:17:22    105832

Why were things different when armagh won borderboy - connections are the same? Which side of the Monaghan - Tyrone border r u from?

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 23/09/2008 17:18:51    105838

Brolly (you're handy when raining on a parade, I suppose), it was no different when Armagh won the all-Ireland in 2002, as far as I'm concerned, except that the team and Sam Maguire did not go home through Monaghan, so no opportunity to show hospitality and resepct to the champions that way. Many Monaghan people, however, joined in the celebrations in our neighbouring county and did not compromise their honour in the least by doing so.
And yes, we've courted Armagh women, too, as well as Fermanagh women and Cavan women and many's the girls besides. God be with the days.
By the way, when the championship resumed in 2003, we showed Armagh respect but beat them well on the field of play. That is as God in his infinite wisdom designed the Ulster Championship to be played.
Why the feigned interest in where I'm from? Is it to imply that all Monaghan gaels should resent their neighbours' successes and covet their goods? Well count me in for the party every time, no matter where it is.

Borderboy (Monaghan) - Posts: 277 - 23/09/2008 18:42:35    105915

There are a few very bitter people here.

Yes, we should celebrate Tyrone's win. It takes Ulster's titles to 16 - we still have a lot of catching up to do, but we (as Ulstermen) have achieved almost half of these in the last 20 years or so. We won't stop hoping that Monaghan will help contribute in the (hopefully near) future, but until then, we'll support our neighbours - especially if they can halt Kerry's dominance.

But it doesn't mean we'll give them a handy time next year. If Monaghan draw Trone in next year's first round, we'll be out there to knock them our of Ulster - it will be about Monaghan 100%. But if Monaghan are knocked out, there'll be no apologies for cheering on a provincial neighbour.

Maguire01 (Monaghan) - Posts: 226 - 23/09/2008 21:31:57    106032

I'm all for supporting the Ulster team and having watched so many Ulster teams take hammerings in the 70's and 80's of course this should be celebrated and acknowleged.

I would draw the line at supporting Cavan though - though that's not likely to be an issue in the forseeable future........joke !

PearseBro (Monaghan) - Posts: 459 - 23/09/2008 23:29:08    106159

Close ties with the nordies - we dont have the same money,government, even different newspapers i could go on
some Monaghan people that i work with in Dublin particular North Monaghan think they are ulster people first and than from Monaghan.

aughnamullen (Monaghan) - Posts: 55 - 24/09/2008 09:24:10    106249

aughnamullen County: Monaghan Posts: 25 106249 Close ties with the nordies - we dont have the same money,government, even different newspapers i could go on some Monaghan people that i work with in Dublin particular North Monaghan think they are ulster people first and than from Monaghan. ____________________________________ Many Tyrone people read the same newspapers and use the same money. And people in the likes of Cavan and Louth have their own newspapers and a different County Council than Monaghan - all that's irrelevant. For the purposes of football, there are 9 counties in Ulster. All have competed in the Ulster Championship for well over 100 years. Many people live in one county and work in another, or socialise in another. Why would it matter than people on different sides of the border use a different currency?! You're starting to sound like the DUP's Gregory Campbell, who advised us all this week that Tyrone had won an International competition.

Maguire01 (Monaghan) - Posts: 226 - 24/09/2008 11:38:49    106395