He's a LEGEND, like so many before him!

Dheara (Kerry) - Posts: 26 - 25/09/2008 21:56:11    108153

your right there hoket pokey , i magined micky harte addressed it at half time because in the2nd half midfield was like manhattan at rush hour , fair play it worked

kerryblue (Kerry) - Posts: 239 - 26/09/2008 02:13:40    108232

Would agree with everything you said Samin10 bar 06. Dara was the outstanding player that day by quite a distance

But you're right about 2000. Dara and Kerry were on top for the first 15 minutes of the first game but Armagh crept back into the game mainly through winning primary posession. Toal and McGrane that day were excellent. It was very much even between both midfields over the 2 games

holymoly (Dublin) - Posts: 757 - 26/09/2008 09:26:19    108264

A great player- he was great in the final - I think he should stay for one more year, he still has the legs!

aabb (Tyrone) - Posts: 65 - 26/09/2008 09:28:56    108268

ciarrai abu

once again you have proven me right ciarrai abu, if every one does not agree with kerry supporters they are accused of hating kerry, i have great admiration for kerry football and what they have achieved. All i am saying is in the exchanges between darragh ose and paul mcgrane it was even. Darragh had a better career than paul and achieved more things than him but that was more because of the players he had around him. Sholsey said he was much better than any of the pretenders of the last 10 years, all i am saying is in his exchanges with mcgrane he come of even at best. Typical kerry supporter never let the facts get in the way of a glory tribute to a kerry player.

For the record because he has more all-irelands does not make him a better player. There are players up and down the country with all-ireland medals who could not lace the boots of many players who dont. kingdom players included.

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 26/09/2008 09:49:51    108279

He's been slightly below his best this year. Doesn't deserve an all star. But he still far and away the best midfielder in Kerry. Kerry can not afford too lose him until they give Walsh a year beside him in the middle of the park. Scanlon isn't a top class midfielder by any manner of means, not a top fielder and woeful distribution at times. Griffin isn't athletic enough. If O'Se retires, i'll put money with anyone that Kerry won't reach the last 4 next year. Ye still need him lads!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 26/09/2008 09:50:39    108282

Samin 10- Sorry for the delay but I will always respond eventually.
No i'm not saying dara's achievments are down to the men around him. What I was saying was that Dara's has had more outstanding match-winning performances on big days that Paul McGrane. That's aside from their head to head battles. McGrane had plenty of class players around him to.
To sum up my opinion, I would say that if Dara was there instead of McGrane for ye over the last 5-6 years he would have added that bit extra that McGrane has. And as i'm sure you're aware, that bit extra could have been the differnce between one Sam and maybe 2 or 3.
That analysis might seem irrelevant but it is one way of getting my view accross to you. No one is disputing Paul McGrane's reputation as one the outstanding midfielders over the last ten years. But please don't hide behind some convenient facts/opinion's when talking about Dara O' Shea. He was (and I hope still is) the best midfielder of the last ten years and according to those a lot older than me, deserves to be compared to the all-time greats!

scholesy (Kerry) - Posts: 180 - 01/10/2008 14:12:50    111952

On the other hand Scholsey if we had of had Darragh instead of Paul in 2002 it may have been us crying into our pints the night of 22nd of September 2002. In my opinion Mcgrane was our best and most influential player that year. Nobody is doubting that OSe was a great player, just saying that in your analysis that he was so much better than everyone else is a bit of the mark. All very well doing it against the Mayo's and Clares of this world, for me he has not been so great against the Tyrones and Armaghs.

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 01/10/2008 15:18:13    112016

Remember 2006 v Armagh. Darragh gave one of the best midfielder displays seen in Croke Park.

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 01/10/2008 15:27:09    112033

Yes in the second half he was unreal, McGrane totally dominated the first, legs were gone in the second having not played a game in 5 weeks. A factor which Seamus Moynihan talked about before the Monaghan quarter final last year. Here we go kerry mafia after me now for not bowing down and saying one of theirs is not just as great (still very good) as they like to make out.

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 01/10/2008 15:38:17    112043

All very well doing it against the Mayo's and Clares of this world, for me he has not been so great against the Tyrones and Armaghs.
sam just pointing out your error.

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 01/10/2008 15:52:22    112057

samin10 County: Armagh Posts: 1368 107099 scholsey mcgrane v ose 2000 paul mcgrane gave as good as he got against ose in both semi finals 2002 ose dominated first half, mcgrane completely dominated second half 2006 vice versa try and think of the games that the players competed against eachother before you spout any more tripe that was original post, you do not need to point anything out to me, i have already said he dominated periods of games but at best he came out even against mcgrane in head to heads.

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 01/10/2008 16:34:19    112113