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Replying To Tom1916: "Phelim Brady's Darkley Co Armagh Oh list to the lay of a poor Irish harper, And scorn not the strings in his old withered hands, But remember those fingers, they once could move sharper, To raise up the strains of his dear native land. It was long before the shamrock, the dear isle's loved emblem, Was crushed in its beauty by the Saxon lion's paw, I was called by the colleens around me assembling Their bold Phelim Brady, the Bard of Armagh. How I love to muse on the days of my boyhood, Though four score and three years have flitted since then. Still it gives sweet reflection, as every first joy should, For free-hearted boys make the best of old men. At the fair or the wake I could twirl my shillelagh, Or trip through a jig with my brogues bound with straw. Faith, all the pretty girls in the village and the valley Loved bold Phelim Brady, the Bard of Armagh. Now tho' I have wander'd this wide world over, Still Ireland's my home and a parent to me. Then O, let the turf that my bosom shall cover Be cut from the ground that is trod by the free. And when in his cold arms Death shall embrace me, Och! lull me asleep with sweet 'Erin-go-Bragh', By the side of my Kathleen, my first love, then place me, Then forget Phelim Brady, the Bard of Armagh." Liam Clancy's rendition of that song is hard to beat. I've never seen all the verses before, so thanks for posting that. festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3148 - 17/12/2019 16:15:03 2255376 Link
Replying To Soma: " Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Which Patriot Has The Most Clubs Named After Him. And how about the patriots who have only one club named after them? I propose John Lockes, Kilkenny." Plenty of opportunity for controversy with that one. The most obscure must be Redmond O'Hanlon though in Armagh, or maybe Bishop MacHale in Dunmore." A candidate for obscurity and perhaps most unpatriotic would be Tulsk Lord Edwards facethepuckout (Roscommon) - Posts: 221 - 17/12/2019 20:23:27 2255407 Link
This got me wondering about the proportion of clubs in a typical league that are not named for a patriot or a saint. So I took a look at the Dublin football championship. Only four out of 16 are not. Skerries Castkeknock Clontarf Raheny Is it the same elsewhere. https://www.wearedublin.com/football/dublin-senior-football-championship-2019/ shaneShankill (Dublin) - Posts: 42 - 17/12/2019 23:23:04 2255429 Link
Replying To shaneShankill: "This got me wondering about the proportion of clubs in a typical league that are not named for a patriot or a saint. So I took a look at the Dublin football championship. Only four out of 16 are not. Skerries Castkeknock Clontarf Raheny Is it the same elsewhere. https://www.wearedublin.com/football/dublin-senior-football-championship-2019/" Majority of meath is just a placename. We've a few saints but very few patriots. In senior we've Nobber, Summerhill, Skryne, Dunshaughlin, Ratoath, Donaghmore/Ashbourne, Moynalvey, Seneschalstown, Curraha and Simonstown Gaels Then Wolfe Tones, St. Colmcilles, Gaeil Colmcille, Na Fianna, Navan O'Mahonys and St. Peter's Dunboyne. In the remaining 43 clubs you've Saints Mary, Brigid, Patrick, Michael, Paul, Ultan and Vincent, plus Drumbaragh Emmets. Not sure how you'd classify "Clann na nGael".... To the best of my knowledge all others are just a placename. CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1677 - 18/12/2019 00:15:54 2255432 Link
Replying To facethepuckout: " Replying To Soma: "[quote=Cockney_Cat: "Which Patriot Has The Most Clubs Named After Him. And how about the patriots who have only one club named after them? I propose John Lockes, Kilkenny." Plenty of opportunity for controversy with that one. The most obscure must be Redmond O'Hanlon though in Armagh, or maybe Bishop MacHale in Dunmore." A candidate for obscurity and perhaps most unpatriotic would be Tulsk Lord Edwards"]Lord Edward may have been an aristocrat but he was a patriot and a revolutionary who died as a result of wounds he sustained after being shot by British soldiers. avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1990 - 18/12/2019 09:29:11 2255443 Link
In Wexford there are clubs called Sarsfields, Liam Mellows and Rapparees that I can think of. There was a club named after Daniel O Connell I think, but they folded. Groundball (Wexford) - Posts: 122 - 18/12/2019 11:51:53 2255461 Link
Replying To CastleBravo: "Majority of meath is just a placename. We've a few saints but very few patriots. In senior we've Nobber, Summerhill, Skryne, Dunshaughlin, Ratoath, Donaghmore/Ashbourne, Moynalvey, Seneschalstown, Curraha and Simonstown Gaels Then Wolfe Tones, St. Colmcilles, Gaeil Colmcille, Na Fianna, Navan O'Mahonys and St. Peter's Dunboyne. In the remaining 43 clubs you've Saints Mary, Brigid, Patrick, Michael, Paul, Ultan and Vincent, plus Drumbaragh Emmets. Not sure how you'd classify "Clann na nGael".... To the best of my knowledge all others are just a placename." You just found another category with Clann na nGael. Teams named after patriotic politicial organisations Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 18/12/2019 12:00:31 2255463 Link
Replying To MesAmis: "Patrick Sarsfield with at least 7. Clubs in Dublin, Monaghan, Cork, Kildare, Limerick, Laois and Galway. Maybe more?" There are 3 sarsfields in Monaghan at that.... Aughnamullen Sarsfields, Killeevan Sarsfields and Oram Sarsfields. Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 18/12/2019 12:02:36 2255464 Link
Good article here on the amount of clubs names and splits in the Parish of Upper Creggan (Crossmaglen area), Crossmaglen went under several different names including Crossmaglen Sinn Fein Plunketts http://www.newrymemoirs.com/stories_pages/relandpolsplitgaa_1.html Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 18/12/2019 12:34:38 2255471 Link
I've actually done an assessment of this :-). Most is Robert Emmet. Second place is Patrick Sarsfield. arcadia (Longford) - Posts: 221 - 18/12/2019 13:01:25 2255474 Link
Replying To arcadia: "I've actually done an assessment of this :-). Most is Robert Emmet. Second place is Patrick Sarsfield." The scores please? Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2755 - 18/12/2019 13:38:38 2255482 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "The scores please?" From what I have been able to ascertain... On Robert Emmet - 15 GAA clubs use 'Emmets' in their name. On Patrick Sarsfields - 13 GAA clubs use Sarsfields in their name. Any others are 10 or below in terms of usage stats. These are stats for GAA clubs in Ireland only (not overseas clubs). Note: There are additional 3 clubs who use 'Emmetts' in their name as opposed to Emmets, which are not counted in above stat. I don't know why there are 'Emmetts' as well as 'Emmets' and whether they are meant to be the same (Anyone from Lisnaskea, Brocagh or Eskra might be able to shed light there). arcadia (Longford) - Posts: 221 - 18/12/2019 14:51:47 2255491 Link
St Patrick..the greatest patriot bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 18/12/2019 15:39:23 2255497 Link
Is that Patriots of all hue's? There are very few GAA clubs named after the other traditions Patriots.. No 'King Billies'GAA Clubs or no 'Columcille Carsons' in Dublin..There is a club in Kerry named after Churchill though. bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 18/12/2019 15:45:59 2255498 Link
Replying To arcadia: "From what I have been able to ascertain... On Robert Emmet - 15 GAA clubs use 'Emmets' in their name. On Patrick Sarsfields - 13 GAA clubs use Sarsfields in their name. Any others are 10 or below in terms of usage stats. These are stats for GAA clubs in Ireland only (not overseas clubs). Note: There are additional 3 clubs who use 'Emmetts' in their name as opposed to Emmets, which are not counted in above stat. I don't know why there are 'Emmetts' as well as 'Emmets' and whether they are meant to be the same (Anyone from Lisnaskea, Brocagh or Eskra might be able to shed light there)." Carrickmacross Emmets and Aghabog Emmets in Monaghan too Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 18/12/2019 16:03:17 2255500 Link
Replying To Gator: " Replying To arcadia: "From what I have been able to ascertain... On Robert Emmet - 15 GAA clubs use 'Emmets' in their name. On Patrick Sarsfields - 13 GAA clubs use Sarsfields in their name. Any others are 10 or below in terms of usage stats. These are stats for GAA clubs in Ireland only (not overseas clubs). Note: There are additional 3 clubs who use 'Emmetts' in their name as opposed to Emmets, which are not counted in above stat. I don't know why there are 'Emmetts' as well as 'Emmets' and whether they are meant to be the same (Anyone from Lisnaskea, Brocagh or Eskra might be able to shed light there)." Carrickmacross Emmets and Aghabog Emmets in Monaghan too" Ah, I didn't have Aghaboy as Emmets, I just had them as Aghaboy in my data but you are quite right. So that is 16 GAA clubs with Emmets in their name as follows... Aghaboy Emmets Bray Emmets Carnew Emmets Carrickmacross Emmets Clonmore Robert Emmets Colligan Emmets Cushendun Emmets Dorsey Emmets Glen Emmets Kilkerley Emmets Killoe Young Emmets Listowel Emmets Menlo Emmets Robert Emmets (Donegal) Robert Emmets (Dublin) Roche Emmets In addition, there are 3 clubs with 'Emmetts' in their name... Lisnaskea Emmetts Brocagh Emmetts Eskra Emmetts arcadia (Longford) - Posts: 221 - 18/12/2019 17:00:56 2255508 Link
Replying To bloodyban: "St Patrick..the greatest patriot" He would win hands down with 26 different clubs using St. Patrick in their name :-) arcadia (Longford) - Posts: 221 - 18/12/2019 17:05:04 2255509 Link
Longstone GAA club in County Down were named after Robert Emmett. They played under the name Longstone Emmetts in their early days. Kilcoo are named after Eoghan Ruaidh O'Neill. There are other clubs named after him, one in Tyrone I think. People give the DUP a hard time but they have shown themselves to be great patriots in helping to reinvigorate a sleeping Irish nationalism in the North. They have really adhered to the Bobby Sands mantra that everyone, Republican or otherwise, has there own particular part to play. Sometime far in the future you could have GAA teams from the Falls and the Shankill Road playing a match; the Arlene Foster Crocodiles v Nigel Dodds' Deputies. REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1702 - 18/12/2019 17:55:58 2255513 Link
Replying To REDANDBLACK30: "Longstone GAA club in County Down were named after Robert Emmett. They played under the name Longstone Emmetts in their early days. Kilcoo are named after Eoghan Ruaidh O'Neill. There are other clubs named after him, one in Tyrone I think. People give the DUP a hard time but they have shown themselves to be great patriots in helping to reinvigorate a sleeping Irish nationalism in the North. They have really adhered to the Bobby Sands mantra that everyone, Republican or otherwise, has there own particular part to play. Sometime far in the future you could have GAA teams from the Falls and the Shankill Road playing a match; the Arlene Foster Crocodiles v Nigel Dodds' Deputies." On the Eoghan Ruaidh O'Neill point, there are 2 other clubs, both in Tyrone - Owen Roe O'Neill's in Leckpatrick and Brackaville Owen Roes. There are up to 10 clubs with O'Neill in the name, named after a few different people. arcadia (Longford) - Posts: 221 - 18/12/2019 19:08:53 2255526 Link
Replying To arcadia: " Replying To Gator: "[quote=arcadia: "From what I have been able to ascertain... On Robert Emmet - 15 GAA clubs use 'Emmets' in their name. On Patrick Sarsfields - 13 GAA clubs use Sarsfields in their name. Any others are 10 or below in terms of usage stats. These are stats for GAA clubs in Ireland only (not overseas clubs). Note: There are additional 3 clubs who use 'Emmetts' in their name as opposed to Emmets, which are not counted in above stat. I don't know why there are 'Emmetts' as well as 'Emmets' and whether they are meant to be the same (Anyone from Lisnaskea, Brocagh or Eskra might be able to shed light there)." Carrickmacross Emmets and Aghabog Emmets in Monaghan too" Ah, I didn't have Aghaboy as Emmets, I just had them as Aghaboy in my data but you are quite right. So that is 16 GAA clubs with Emmets in their name as follows... Aghaboy Emmets Bray Emmets Carnew Emmets Carrickmacross Emmets Clonmore Robert Emmets Colligan Emmets Cushendun Emmets Dorsey Emmets Glen Emmets Kilkerley Emmets Killoe Young Emmets Listowel Emmets Menlo Emmets Robert Emmets (Donegal) Robert Emmets (Dublin) Roche Emmets In addition, there are 3 clubs with 'Emmetts' in their name... Lisnaskea Emmetts Brocagh Emmetts Eskra Emmetts"]And Slaughtneil of course. Forgot them. arcadia (Longford) - Posts: 221 - 18/12/2019 19:10:06 2255527 Link