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What are the initial thoughts on this document ?

For me, the KO stage emerging from the Summer League is quite flawed (10-team KO with 4-4-1-1 advancing from the existing 4 NFL divs).

So 12th and 25th ranked teams play in the AI QF Prelim Rd - but 5th ranked goes home.

I'd rather have 4 groups of equal rank (2 teams from each div in each group) and then say top 4 from each group to a Rd of 16.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2573 - 04/12/2019 18:34:02    2253230

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The two Div 3 and 4 team go into the preliminary QF with the third and fourth placed Div 2 teams.

The counties who would have been in the PQF this year are Derry, Westmeath, Kildare, and Fermanagh. The two winners join Meath, Donegal, Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, and Tyrone in the QFs. I can see why the other counties would consider it unfair but it is still an improvement because it makes the League meaningful.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 04/12/2019 21:18:37    2253263

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But what about 4 groups of equal rank (2 teams from each div in each group) and then say top 4 from each group to a Rd of 16 ?

Teams could get exposure against opposition of varying quality and the KO net could be wide enough to give all a fair shot.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2573 - 04/12/2019 23:51:30    2253291

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The football league should have three divisions, 10 teams in div 1, 12 in div 2 and 10 in div 3. Bottom three go down in div 1 and 2. Have a 3rd/4th playoff to be the third team promoted in div 2 and 3

Stooker (Leitrim) - Posts: 63 - 05/12/2019 08:44:40    2253311

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Counties to publish fixtures schedules for an oversight officer, what's new in this ?
The counties were already producing Fixtures Masterplans under Croke Park regulations prior to this, these were nothing but volumes of fiction that were never adhered to. The whole thing is another smokescreen in appearing as they are doing something. One massive retrograde step is doing away with the lower divisions of Post Primary school competitions. They have nearly obliterated schools football at this stage & Third Level is their next target. It's all aimed at Inter County elitism & couching it as care for the average participant in Gaelic Games who they don't give two sh#ts for.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 05/12/2019 10:24:45    2253328

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A draw should be made following the league based on the leagues standings (Relegated teams are grouped on where they will be playing the following league). Four groups of 8, two teams from each division. Bracket style like american college basketball (only half the amount of teams in Ireland compared to 64 college basketball teams) https://nesn.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/college-basketball-tournament-bracket.jpg
5 games won to win the all Ireland.

TheDigger (USA) - Posts: 84 - 05/12/2019 13:52:54    2253362

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Replying To Stooker:  "The football league should have three divisions, 10 teams in div 1, 12 in div 2 and 10 in div 3. Bottom three go down in div 1 and 2. Have a 3rd/4th playoff to be the third team promoted in div 2 and 3"
I like numbers like these as it keeps more teams on their toes as there is more to play for.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2573 - 05/12/2019 16:48:41    2253416

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Counties to publish fixtures schedules for an oversight officer, what's new in this ?
The counties were already producing Fixtures Masterplans under Croke Park regulations prior to this, these were nothing but volumes of fiction that were never adhered to. The whole thing is another smokescreen in appearing as they are doing something. One massive retrograde step is doing away with the lower divisions of Post Primary school competitions. They have nearly obliterated schools football at this stage & Third Level is their next target. It's all aimed at Inter County elitism & couching it as care for the average participant in Gaelic Games who they don't give two sh#ts for."
You may be well be correct in your "smokescreen" theory. What I would say is there's enough substance in the report to commence a meaningful debate and to see where we land. I'd be neutral on the oversight structures but it's more local than previosuly. One person per province makes it more regional and increases the chance of each county being monitored independently - as we seen with counties losing home NFL games the oversight person may be given adequate powers to make a difference. My opinion is lets wait and see if making it more local will work.

I'd agree with you post Primary appears to be going down the elite road cutting off lower tier competions but at the same time it's an area that required studied as their is too many games for these age groups so again more ideas may come out of a debate.

The inter county game whilst not having it's fixtures completly split from clubs fixtures will have to make serious compromises to it's current format - something that may make games more competitive whilst increasing club only weeks, whilst the CPA appeared unhappy with the task force I don't think inter county set ups will be entirely happy with this format either but with compromise may well improve the standard of their competitions.

I don't think the report is perfect and there are serious flaws but I do think it should be the start of a consultation towards allowing an inter county season but also towards helping club players. My theory is clubs will be able to live with these recommendations but no doubt compromises are required from all sides. I certainly don't see the task force as siding with elite players over club players but a genuine effort has been made to accommodate all and ultimately a majority of members will decide if it's a goer over individual members pressure groups.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 05/12/2019 16:53:33    2253417

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Replying To omahant:  "But what about 4 groups of equal rank (2 teams from each div in each group) and then say top 4 from each group to a Rd of 16 ?

Teams could get exposure against opposition of varying quality and the KO net could be wide enough to give all a fair shot."
I don't like either of the proposed formats. Similar proposals have been flying around for years. A Div 4 side shouldn't get preference over the 5th placed side in Div 1.

These are the proposals we're left with. Horan has said that he is open to alterations. I would take one of the proposed formats for the Provincial championships. For example, the format for Option 2. Connacht and Munster adopt a league format. Ulster and Leinster have 10 teams split into 2 groups of 5. One team from Leinster moves to Ulster. The minimum number of games for each team is four or five.

They could ditch the All-Ireland Qualifiers and copy the format for the club championship. Only the four provincial champions qualify for the All-Ireland series. That would be Donegal, Dublin, Roscommon, and Kerry. The knockout stage could be expanded to include the four highest ranked teams in the League who haven't won their provincial championship. That brings in Tyrone, Galway, Monaghan, and Mayo.

The QFs would look like this:
Donegal v Galway
Dublin v Mayo
Roscommon v Monaghan
Kerry v Tyrone

The Super 8s could also be retained at this stage.

The other option proposed by the GAA has 4 provinces with 8 teams each. This format allows for a backdoor qualifier system. The 8 losers at the semi-final stage in each province play in Round 1. The four winners go into Round 2 with the four provincial losers and so on.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 05/12/2019 17:01:11    2253418

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Replying To TheDigger:  "A draw should be made following the league based on the leagues standings (Relegated teams are grouped on where they will be playing the following league). Four groups of 8, two teams from each division. Bracket style like american college basketball (only half the amount of teams in Ireland compared to 64 college basketball teams) https://nesn.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/college-basketball-tournament-bracket.jpg
5 games won to win the all Ireland."
The main idea for reform is to move away from KO to give teams more games - such as round robin.

I'd like to use the 4 equal groups of 8 (2 from each div) for my 'half sized, Inter-Conf, 8 in A v 8 in B' -

Name the 4 groups as A1, B1, A2, B2.
8 in A1 v 8 in B1 (2 of 8 games go unplayed, as divs 1v4, 2v2 and 3v3 are avoided).
Teams awarded bonus pts for unplayed games div 1 teams= 4 bonus pts; divs 2&3= 2 pts; div 4= 0.
Teams actually play other 6 games.
Top 4 in each group enter 8-team Conf QFs (A or B)
Teams placed 5th/6th with better record can replace 4th/3rd with worse record in Other Conf.
Also, 8 in A2 v 8 in B2 played as above.

Conf A KO (A1 & A2) - best record hosts 8th, 2nd hosts 7th etc, with teams re-seeded for Conf SFs.
Conf B KO follows the same set up.
Conf Finals at neutral Prov venues; Croke Pk Final.

Based on the layout below, the middle 4 (3rd-6th) are relocated 'clockwise' (A1 to B1, B1 to B2 etc) for the following year (refreshes the 4 groups/pairings)
A1 B1
A2. B2

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2573 - 05/12/2019 18:05:28    2253433

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Re: your 1st paragraph - I don't have a div 4 team advancing in lieu of 5th ranked - all top 16 have a chance to advance.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2573 - 05/12/2019 18:13:12    2253436

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This matter is probably the greatest issue facing the GAA today. The GAA hierarchy are completely ignoring the situation on the ground at club level & the massive exodus of adult club players & volunteers at adult level. It has lead to most clubs now having to pay transient managers cash under the table to manage their adult teams as volunteers have lost interest at adult level. This has put clubs under massive financial pressure, is against all GAA rules & denies our State of taxes from undeclared revenue. The GAA's forked tongue approach where they talk of the importance of grassroots & the club is contradicted by their actions where they have foisted more & more Inter County games on the scene over the decade such as the Super 8's, the new Tier 2 & U 20's competitions. It is also contradicted by their financial support of the GPA, an organisation that supports 1% of the membership of the Association with multi million funding. It is contradicted also by their failure to recognise the CPA despite having a membership ten times of the GPA, they also voted down their motion on transparency & we all saw this week what hand wringing & censoring of those who questioned & spoke out in another organisation came to. What is there to hide or fear from transparency, is it a situation similar to the FAI ? The GAA continually refuse to publish the salaries of their senior staff as does the GPA. A former senior GAA postholder had an article this week in an national newspaper & he was all about the clubs & club player, yet he contradicts himself continually as he votes at Congress & his votes & speeches at Congress continually are contradictory to his article this week, maybe there is an election looming or something !
The fact that this post which covers the biggest crisis facing the GAA only got 10 posts on what is the largest GAA forum in the country shows what is now symptomatic in the GAA, the armchair fan is now the reality, that people are only interested in the Inter County juggernaut & that interest in the club is gone. Kevin O Donovan Cork CEO highlighted that this week in Cork where revenue from club games was down a massive €200,000 & that if trends continue he feared that clubs would be in trouble. This is the biggest GAA county in the country with a massive population & it's as clear as day what the issues are. I think that it is already too late & that the horse has bolted, the GAA are not bothered either, their next targets are Post Primary & Third level competitions which will be weakened even further. The whole focus is now Inter County elitism & TV rights money & every action they take enhances that focus. Empty rhetoric as could be read in a national newspaper this week from a high profile figure is just that, empty rhetoric & is just to quell any uprising. Their will be no uprising as those people who are disillusioned are leaving in droves having lost interest & wont be back. This was emphasised to me this year in going to Connacht games at the Sportsgrounds in Galway. The amount of GAA people there (no longer involved) shocked me & many of them who are in business & used to sponsor the GAA no longer do so because of all the irregularities that happened in Galway which were known for years at ground level & they are now pumping money into Connacht Rugby.
It's hard to believe that the GAA has now swung full pendulum & for many it has reached the point of no return. I also believe what is happening in the FAI should be a reminder to those within the Association, that those who are responsible for the political shenanigans, spin, cover ups, financial irregularities, dismissal of those who question, the censoring of those who make points or who validly question things along with those in the media that close their eyes, censor or turn their backs, that eventually some day the truth will always out !

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 08/12/2019 09:50:38    2253781

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Replying To moc.dna:  "This matter is probably the greatest issue facing the GAA today. The GAA hierarchy are completely ignoring the situation on the ground at club level & the massive exodus of adult club players & volunteers at adult level. It has lead to most clubs now having to pay transient managers cash under the table to manage their adult teams as volunteers have lost interest at adult level. This has put clubs under massive financial pressure, is against all GAA rules & denies our State of taxes from undeclared revenue. The GAA's forked tongue approach where they talk of the importance of grassroots & the club is contradicted by their actions where they have foisted more & more Inter County games on the scene over the decade such as the Super 8's, the new Tier 2 & U 20's competitions. It is also contradicted by their financial support of the GPA, an organisation that supports 1% of the membership of the Association with multi million funding. It is contradicted also by their failure to recognise the CPA despite having a membership ten times of the GPA, they also voted down their motion on transparency & we all saw this week what hand wringing & censoring of those who questioned & spoke out in another organisation came to. What is there to hide or fear from transparency, is it a situation similar to the FAI ? The GAA continually refuse to publish the salaries of their senior staff as does the GPA. A former senior GAA postholder had an article this week in an national newspaper & he was all about the clubs & club player, yet he contradicts himself continually as he votes at Congress & his votes & speeches at Congress continually are contradictory to his article this week, maybe there is an election looming or something !
The fact that this post which covers the biggest crisis facing the GAA only got 10 posts on what is the largest GAA forum in the country shows what is now symptomatic in the GAA, the armchair fan is now the reality, that people are only interested in the Inter County juggernaut & that interest in the club is gone. Kevin O Donovan Cork CEO highlighted that this week in Cork where revenue from club games was down a massive €200,000 & that if trends continue he feared that clubs would be in trouble. This is the biggest GAA county in the country with a massive population & it's as clear as day what the issues are. I think that it is already too late & that the horse has bolted, the GAA are not bothered either, their next targets are Post Primary & Third level competitions which will be weakened even further. The whole focus is now Inter County elitism & TV rights money & every action they take enhances that focus. Empty rhetoric as could be read in a national newspaper this week from a high profile figure is just that, empty rhetoric & is just to quell any uprising. Their will be no uprising as those people who are disillusioned are leaving in droves having lost interest & wont be back. This was emphasised to me this year in going to Connacht games at the Sportsgrounds in Galway. The amount of GAA people there (no longer involved) shocked me & many of them who are in business & used to sponsor the GAA no longer do so because of all the irregularities that happened in Galway which were known for years at ground level & they are now pumping money into Connacht Rugby.
It's hard to believe that the GAA has now swung full pendulum & for many it has reached the point of no return. I also believe what is happening in the FAI should be a reminder to those within the Association, that those who are responsible for the political shenanigans, spin, cover ups, financial irregularities, dismissal of those who question, the censoring of those who make points or who validly question things along with those in the media that close their eyes, censor or turn their backs, that eventually some day the truth will always out !"
You can't force people to go to club games. It's a tough ask when you have top flight rugby and football on TV every week. Add in the wide availability of activities/sports for kids and the decline of rural Ireland as well. The long term prospects for the club game is dire. I think the only reprieve for the club game is to let the intercounty game go its own way like cricket in England.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 08/12/2019 13:05:35    2253801

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Replying To Hawkeye9212:  "You can't force people to go to club games. It's a tough ask when you have top flight rugby and football on TV every week. Add in the wide availability of activities/sports for kids and the decline of rural Ireland as well. The long term prospects for the club game is dire. I think the only reprieve for the club game is to let the intercounty game go its own way like cricket in England."
Oh I don't agree with that, regarding separating the games.

Something that disappointed me from the task force was that it didn't address the slow creep of the games back into the early part of the year.

Whilst their intentions were good, I think the April club month has had a detrimental effect on the games.

It's seen not only inter county National Leagues start earlier but also club competitions move earlier also.

There's been a focus on getting more club only weekends but it's been at the expense of more consistent scheduling over the course of the year.

The split club season works in some counties, like Kerry where they can play the club championship. In other counties it hasn't been good for the game.

Front loading important matches to the start of the season is not good for the club game.

A teams championship season can be over before it's even begun. The flow to the season is all wrong and it hasn't been addressed.

There has to be greater oversight of team expenses at all levels but in particular county teams. The association is not functioning harmoniously at all.

I'd be less cynical of the task force that moc.dna, I believe they'd good intentions and there's positives to be draw from the report but there's serious mistakes that they've made also.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 08/12/2019 14:25:45    2253812

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Oh I don't agree with that, regarding separating the games.

Something that disappointed me from the task force was that it didn't address the slow creep of the games back into the early part of the year.

Whilst their intentions were good, I think the April club month has had a detrimental effect on the games.

It's seen not only inter county National Leagues start earlier but also club competitions move earlier also.

There's been a focus on getting more club only weekends but it's been at the expense of more consistent scheduling over the course of the year.

The split club season works in some counties, like Kerry where they can play the club championship. In other counties it hasn't been good for the game.

Front loading important matches to the start of the season is not good for the club game.

A teams championship season can be over before it's even begun. The flow to the season is all wrong and it hasn't been addressed.

There has to be greater oversight of team expenses at all levels but in particular county teams. The association is not functioning harmoniously at all.

I'd be less cynical of the task force that moc.dna, I believe they'd good intentions and there's positives to be draw from the report but there's serious mistakes that they've made also."
Too many conflicting interests at this point. I can't see a resolution anytime soon.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 08/12/2019 15:00:52    2253814

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Replying To Hawkeye9212:  "Too many conflicting interests at this point. I can't see a resolution anytime soon."
I don't believe that to have been the problem. I genuinely believe there was an attempt at improving things. I don't think they identified the problems with real clarity.

The CPA's representation of the process as just being a way of rubber stamping Horan's tier 2 championship doesn't ring true to me.

I'd have to say Sam1984 took a more sensible approach to his commentary at the time than I did.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 08/12/2019 16:17:30    2253822

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Agreed. I was referring to the CPA myself. I think we need to find a link between the League and Championship. Let's say we have two tiers of 16 split into 4 groups of 4. The top teams in Div 3 are promoted to Tier 1. They are replaced by the bottom two teams in Div 3. Determining the relegated teams is trickier since a team could be relegated in the Championship but finish 4th in Div 2 but I know counties such as Down are using a similar system for their county championships so there must be a solution.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 08/12/2019 18:18:31    2253838

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Replying To Hawkeye9212:  "Agreed. I was referring to the CPA myself. I think we need to find a link between the League and Championship. Let's say we have two tiers of 16 split into 4 groups of 4. The top teams in Div 3 are promoted to Tier 1. They are replaced by the bottom two teams in Div 3. Determining the relegated teams is trickier since a team could be relegated in the Championship but finish 4th in Div 2 but I know counties such as Down are using a similar system for their county championships so there must be a solution."
With the Task Force Option 2 having 4-4-1-1 from the 4 NFL divs advancing to the AI KO Last 10, it would be better to have the two 16s, each divided into 2 groups of 8. Then, it would make more sense with 4 from each of 1A & 1B and 1 from 2A & 2B - although I would widen the KO field from 10 to 16-20.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2573 - 08/12/2019 19:20:01    2253845

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Replying To omahant:  "With the Task Force Option 2 having 4-4-1-1 from the 4 NFL divs advancing to the AI KO Last 10, it would be better to have the two 16s, each divided into 2 groups of 8. Then, it would make more sense with 4 from each of 1A & 1B and 1 from 2A & 2B - although I would widen the KO field from 10 to 16-20."
Div 1 sides will never allow Option 2 to be implemented. It gives Div 3 and 4 sides an easier route into the All-Ireland series.

Jimmy McGuinness proposed a merged pathway based on both the League and Provincial championships.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-how-i-would-reinvigorate-football-championship-1.2241993?mode=amp

Interesting proposal. It has flaws of course but every proposal does.

Seedings for 2019 based on Jim's proposal:

Provincial Champions

Dublin, Donegal, Kerry, and Roscommon.

League

Mayo, Tyrone, Galway, Monaghan, Meath, Fermanagh, Kildare, Armagh, Clare, Laois, and Westmeath.

Tier 2 Champions (if held in 2018)

Offaly.

Quarter-Finals

The Provincial Champions, Tier 2 Champions, and 3 highest ranked teams in the League receive home advantage.

Dublin v Kildare
Donegal v Laois
Kerry v Westmeath
Roscommon v Armagh
Mayo v Clare
Tyrone v Fermanagh
Galway v Meath
Offaly v Monaghan

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 08/12/2019 20:01:14    2253851

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Replying To moc.dna:  "This matter is probably the greatest issue facing the GAA today. The GAA hierarchy are completely ignoring the situation on the ground at club level & the massive exodus of adult club players & volunteers at adult level. It has lead to most clubs now having to pay transient managers cash under the table to manage their adult teams as volunteers have lost interest at adult level. This has put clubs under massive financial pressure, is against all GAA rules & denies our State of taxes from undeclared revenue. The GAA's forked tongue approach where they talk of the importance of grassroots & the club is contradicted by their actions where they have foisted more & more Inter County games on the scene over the decade such as the Super 8's, the new Tier 2 & U 20's competitions. It is also contradicted by their financial support of the GPA, an organisation that supports 1% of the membership of the Association with multi million funding. It is contradicted also by their failure to recognise the CPA despite having a membership ten times of the GPA, they also voted down their motion on transparency & we all saw this week what hand wringing & censoring of those who questioned & spoke out in another organisation came to. What is there to hide or fear from transparency, is it a situation similar to the FAI ? The GAA continually refuse to publish the salaries of their senior staff as does the GPA. A former senior GAA postholder had an article this week in an national newspaper & he was all about the clubs & club player, yet he contradicts himself continually as he votes at Congress & his votes & speeches at Congress continually are contradictory to his article this week, maybe there is an election looming or something !
The fact that this post which covers the biggest crisis facing the GAA only got 10 posts on what is the largest GAA forum in the country shows what is now symptomatic in the GAA, the armchair fan is now the reality, that people are only interested in the Inter County juggernaut & that interest in the club is gone. Kevin O Donovan Cork CEO highlighted that this week in Cork where revenue from club games was down a massive €200,000 & that if trends continue he feared that clubs would be in trouble. This is the biggest GAA county in the country with a massive population & it's as clear as day what the issues are. I think that it is already too late & that the horse has bolted, the GAA are not bothered either, their next targets are Post Primary & Third level competitions which will be weakened even further. The whole focus is now Inter County elitism & TV rights money & every action they take enhances that focus. Empty rhetoric as could be read in a national newspaper this week from a high profile figure is just that, empty rhetoric & is just to quell any uprising. Their will be no uprising as those people who are disillusioned are leaving in droves having lost interest & wont be back. This was emphasised to me this year in going to Connacht games at the Sportsgrounds in Galway. The amount of GAA people there (no longer involved) shocked me & many of them who are in business & used to sponsor the GAA no longer do so because of all the irregularities that happened in Galway which were known for years at ground level & they are now pumping money into Connacht Rugby.
It's hard to believe that the GAA has now swung full pendulum & for many it has reached the point of no return. I also believe what is happening in the FAI should be a reminder to those within the Association, that those who are responsible for the political shenanigans, spin, cover ups, financial irregularities, dismissal of those who question, the censoring of those who make points or who validly question things along with those in the media that close their eyes, censor or turn their backs, that eventually some day the truth will always out !"
I think it's clear you're either in or a major supporter of the CPA - it's a good body. You talk about there only being a few posts regarding the biggest issue facing the GAA. Does this indicate the huge amount of support for the inter county game - does it occur that people may actually want an increased inter county season with better competitions!?. If bodies want to admit it or not the popularity of the games at inter county level is increasing and whilst we should look at club structures as you can see it hasn't grabbed the interest of the country - people spoke more about the two inter county options from this task force which is very telling but I agree this is a problem.

In terms of clubs having to pay managers this is simply not true - every club in the country could find a volunteer to manage their senior team. It isn't a neccesity but a choice whereas some clubs want to increase their opportunity of success and go looking a successful management team which again I agree goes against the ethos of the GAA but this is a decision being made by individual clubs and nothing to do with fixture problems.

I'm unsure if you read the interview on the massive decrease in adults qualified to play GAA in south Kerry this weekend. The GAA sadly cannot do much about decreasing numbers living in rural areas and that is in fact the biggest issue facing the GAA continuing to provide teams in areas that hardly have 15 players within said area. I read Kerry are concerned about their players now in the main coming from only one part of the county.

I'm suspicious some people see the personal benefits the GPA got out of the GAA and bodies similar to trade unions are trying to look at having a slice of the pie. I think their is a role for an inclusive players body in the GAA and you're correct the GPA isn't inclusive enough but I do think the GAA now need to look at these trade union like groups and maybe introduce an improved, well funded players charter or something similar in house that provides insurance, scholarship kit assitance, medical fees etc but manage it at regional levels.

This task force hasn't provided anything that warrants bodies jumping up and down or running away. It's a report which looked at various issues facing the fixtures of our games for every member to study and debate. The final solution will be decided by members but at least it will start the debate. Nobody denies the fact we need to all help clubs but what is clear if some bodies like it or not is the inter county season is the cash cow of the GAA and the hierarchy will always side with the inter county structures. It doesn't mean a solution cannot be found to assist club players which I think this report provides - the numbers also show the huge interest in the inter county game and the GAA are not silly to where the interest lyes.

As a GAA member I hope nothing comes out akin to the FAI, I agree it should be a wake up call to all GAA bodies to ensure bodies are never in a predictament at such a high level. With so many club, county, provincial, oversea bodies things can go wrong regionally but hopefully never at the level which is tasked with overseeing and stepping into problems when they arise.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 08/12/2019 20:48:43    2253859

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